Derren Brown Trick or treat

He doesn't need to mention it. ;)

DJM said:
He sometimes uses "subliminal messages" for his misdrection, Like the explanation at the end of the BMX effect. Sometimes he would also create the illusion that there's hypnosis and "NLP" involved to make it all more powerful.. But it's only an illusion, doesn't mean he really does it.

That's the misdirection.
I understand what both of you are saying, and I suppose the fact that some people think NLP is at least part of his method supports your contention.

But if you're implying this is intentional on his part, rather than opportunistic, I'd have to say I'm not yet convinced.
 
I would like it noted for the record that my failure to notice mangafranga's post was a joke in now way indicates a diminished capacity on my part for the recognition of humor on your part.

---slowly swings watch in front of your eyes and peppers speech with appropriate subliminal messages---

You will now all return to thinking me brillian, dashing, and infallible.

And none of those complaints about not having thought of me that way before. That's just an after effect of the hypnosis...
 
where is the second gun . . .
Is it perhaps invisible?
Or perhaps the second gunman can run in and out of the room within a second oblivious to james sat in the corner,behind the action.
Any second gun wouldn't be visible to the camera as the camera stays on Derren. We don't know what James saw, as he wasn't asked. Remember, all this took place in the upper floor of a building with windows. Access to that floor was via a hatch, as though it was an attic, but it wasn't an attic. Do you seriously think their wasn't a proper stairway to that floor which Derren's assistants could use?
 
Any second gun wouldn't be visible to the camera as the camera stays on Derren. We don't know what James saw, as he wasn't asked. Remember, all this took place in the upper floor of a building with windows. Access to that floor was via a hatch, as though it was an attic, but it wasn't an attic. Do you seriously think their wasn't a proper stairway to that floor which Derren's assistants could use?

You've been away for a week and that is best you can come up with?!

My post you quoted clearly gives a time where you can see the whole room.
Go away Skipjack you are clearly retarded.:rolleyes:
 
Skippy, it's funny how you completey edited Azrael 5's quote so to twist what he was actually saying to you. Here is the full quote:

Case and point in the video.9:30-31 secs Derren fires the gun.9:32 wide shot of room in front of table at sanbag.
Skipjack please point out to the forum where is the smoke machine,second gun etc is!
Is it perhaps invisible?
Or perhaps the second gunman can run in and out of the room within a second oblivious to james sat in the corner,behind the action.

It's really pathetic if it took you a whole week to think of this shameless scheme. I think you owe him an apology.
 
There is a large doorway to Derren's rear left that leads directly outside the building, with no staircase. However, the armourer appears at about time 1:12 in the video from a second, dark doorway in the far corner of the room, to the left of the heap of sandbags. The "wide shot of room" that you refer to doesn't show this doorway; the view is slightly to the right of it, so that the piled up sandbags are visible, but not the doorway. At about 8:21 in the video, Derren pulls the trigger on chamber number 5 of the gun. There is then a pause lasting about 70 seconds (though it's referred to as lasting a minute and a half in an interview Derren did later). This pause is useful for dramatic effect, but it also allows ample time for an assistant to enter the room with a second gun. Yes, such an assistant would be in full view of James (the loader), but James wasn't asked about what he saw.

Immediately after the off-screen firing and bang, Derren is shown rising from his seat and holding the gun, which is now in view. Then a separate camera gives the "wide shot" referred to above. Note that the firing I've just described is shown using a different camera from the one used to show what happened earlier when Derren pulled the trigger on an empty chamber while pointing the gun at the sandbags. On that occasion, the gun remained in view. The change of camera was made in full knowledge of the fact that it would cause the gun to be off-screen when Derren "fired" at the sandbags again. Although the "wide shot" referred to is timed at only about 1 second after the firing, I've already pointed out that the change of camera, coupled with fact that the whole thing was shown in delay, rather than live, would allow a few seconds to be edited out by using up a few seconds of the delay. Even without those extra seconds, an assistant could quickly move any second gun out of view of the camera while Derren is being shown getting up out of his chair.
 
There is a large doorway to Derren's rear left that leads directly outside the building, with no staircase. However, the armourer appears at about time 1:12 in the video from a second, dark doorway in the far corner of the room, to the left of the heap of sandbags. The "wide shot of room" that you refer to doesn't show this doorway; the view is slightly to the right of it, so that the piled up sandbags are visible, but not the doorway. At about 8:21 in the video, Derren pulls the trigger on chamber number 5 of the gun. There is then a pause lasting about 70 seconds (though it's referred to as lasting a minute and a half in an interview Derren did later). This pause is useful for dramatic effect, but it also allows ample time for an assistant to enter the room with a second gun. Yes, such an assistant would be in full view of James (the loader), but James wasn't asked about what he saw.

Immediately after the off-screen firing and bang, Derren is shown rising from his seat and holding the gun, which is now in view. Then a separate camera gives the "wide shot" referred to above. Note that the firing I've just described is shown using a different camera from the one used to show what happened earlier when Derren pulled the trigger on an empty chamber while pointing the gun at the sandbags. On that occasion, the gun remained in view. The change of camera was made in full knowledge of the fact that it would cause the gun to be off-screen when Derren "fired" at the sandbags again. Although the "wide shot" referred to is timed at only about 1 second after the firing, I've already pointed out that the change of camera, coupled with fact that the whole thing was shown in delay, rather than live, would allow a few seconds to be edited out by using up a few seconds of the delay. Even without those extra seconds, an assistant could quickly move any second gun out of view of the camera while Derren is being shown getting up out of his chair.

If you genuinely belive that a second person with a gun ran in and then was edited out and James said nothing to anyone-ever and didn't even look perplexed .You are the dumbest person ever to have walked the earth.
Even woos come up with better explanations for silly beliefs than you.
Just go away,you're an embarassment to rational thinking people the world over.Your explanations are hysterical and befitting of a five year old.

I bet you're the sort of person who cries camera trick at every magic illusion on TV,or still believe magicans hide things up their sleeve and shout it out at a regular basis!!

You don't know how it was done and it irks you;so you make up bizarre theories.
Jeez,if the best Derren can do is have a second person run in with a gun/smoke machine when there are prop guns that fire smoke(see every action movie ever made)should he require one,then he wouldn't be the success he is.Were it Criss Angel I'd agree with you.

Stop attention seeking and go play on the motorway:rolleyes:

Keep in mind the Membership Agreement and do not use personal attacks or insults to argue your point.
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Oh come on Lisa,it was all tongue in cheek.
Is telling someone to play on motorway an insult or personal attack? ;)
 
To get back to the NLP thing briefly, I just came across this gem on the Amazon review of DB's "Inside Your Mind" DVD.

Apparently it only takes three days NLP training and anyone can do what Derren does!

1st customer review here:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Derren-Brown-Inside-Your-Mind/dp/B0000AZVFH

"This video is a fine example of Neuro Linguistic Programming (NLP) in action. People can do exactly the same things that Derren Brown can do just after 3 days. Sounds unbelievable but true."

Either I'm one seriously slow learner or perhaps that sounds unbelievable for a reason...

:D
 
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I wonder if all those people will ask their money back if the find the truth about his amazing NLP abilities. :blush:
 
It's like the thousands of comments on YouTube Derren videos.Body language,NLP etc.Not magic..perish the thought!
 
Oh come on Lisa,it was all tongue in cheek.
Is telling someone to play on motorway an insult or personal attack? ;)
Didn't you notice "dumbest person ever", "hysterical", etc? You previously called me a buffoon, so you're unlikely to be unbiased.

. . . that a second person with a gun ran in and then was edited out and James said nothing to anyone-ever and didn't even look perplexed.
I didn't suggest anyone "ran in". There was ample time for someone to walk in. James wasn't reacting at all when he was shown (until he removed his ear defenders). I don't know of any of Derren's "subjects" who has given a detailed description of his/her experiences, so James isn't unusual in that respect. It's not a question of what did happen, but what could have happened. It's Derren's responsibility to show enough to rule out third party involvement, not just make it seem a poor method because of what can be seen by the loader.
 
It's Derren's responsibility to show enough to rule out third party involvement, not just make it seem a poor method because of what can be seen by the loader.

It was Derren's responsibility as a performer to create a peice of television that kept the audience interested and as a mentalist, baffled.

That you are still gnawing away at this even now shows that he clearly fulfilled his responsibilities in spades.
 
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skipjack regarding my "personal attacks " on you if you write like a buffoon or a retard then expect them.
Just to recap your nonsense on the topic:As I recall you stated James was a stooge,the bullets were blanks,the gun wasn't real and there were edits! Then lo and behold someone comes in with a smoke machine/second gun and just manages to have the smoke appear at correct angle;a person who a half second later when camera view changes has vanished!
You still have not given explanation as to why Derren would need such a person? You assume he couldn't-if he wished-find a prop gun that emitted smoke? Hollywood films are full of them.

Answer the questions people put to you before writing more dumb statements.

No one asked James? So? I recall members of the audience flying with Copperfield-were they interviewed afterwards?
All information is there on the screen.Derren wasn't interviewed either.It's called drama,a fade to black.Leaves the performance to linger for the viewer.

Perhaps you like everything neatly explained and tied up in a performance,maybe your intelligence level cannot bear to think?

Throughout 11 pages you have written nonsense with nothing to back it up.
You are incredibly silly.Risk of moderation prevents me from saying further.
 
Don't forget that in the beginning of the thread Skippy also claimed that the bang was just a special audio effect, and no firing was involved.

He changes his stories every 5 minutes, once he finds that he's worng. And the sad thing is that it looks like he really believes his nonsense.
 
Hey DJM(the magic expert :D)I forgot about the bang claim.
If I didn't know better Id advise someone to play on the motorway.:)
 
As I recall you stated James was a stooge
You recall incorrectly, then, as I didn't state that.

the bullets were blanks
That was drawn from a police statement. I suggested the last bullet was fake, not even a blank.

there were edits!
I didn't state that either; I stated there could have been edits, as the performance was not live, as suggested at the time, but in delay.

just manages to have the smoke appear at correct angle
How can smoke have an angle?

a person who a half second later when camera view changes has vanished!
A camera change allows editing, so you don't know how much time elapsed. When the "wide view" shot mentioned above occurs, apparently only about a second later, how come the smoke is no longer visible?

why Derren would need such a person?
I didn't say he would, but that the presentation allowed that possibility.

I recall members of the audience flying with Copperfield-were they interviewed afterwards?
Why would anyone ask? Nobody thinks any such flying is done other than with wires.

Most of the drama was okay, but deliberately firing off-screen is effectively omitting the key event.
 

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