Derren Brown Trick or treat

Derren always says he doesn't use the participants as stooges or actors, meaning the ones that he tricks. That's all there is to know.
 
Baker said:
I never said it was false or that Derren is a fraud
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Now, you didn't say that. I addressed what you said which was

it does make you wonder how often they [stooges/actors] are used.
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Baker said:
Since you brought up what was the disclaimer in the Trick or treat series and the Mind control series?
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Since I brought it up? You're the one that brought up disclaimers by complaining about the lack of a disclaimer.

Baker said:
I didn't want be the one to kill the thread.
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The thread was already dead. There was really no need for you to dig up the body.
 
Baker said:
I havent brought the disclaimers you did so I'm asking what they consist of?
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Sorry- You're right- you didn't bring up disclaimers. You quoted someone else who wrote

Episodes of Trick or Treat are not preceded
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(I could probably assume that you were quoting Skipjack, but you didn't leave in the info showing what post you quoted and I'm not going to search 47 pages to find it). Since your comments on "it makes you wonder" were addressed to the quoted material that must have been part of what "made you wonder".

The usual disclaimers are that no stooges or actors are used. Had you read the whole thread then you'd know that. Since you apparently didn't read the whole thread perhaps you should before you try to cover all of Skippy's material again.
 
Here is a summary of Skippy's material from this thread:

Blah blah I'm a lock expert, blah blah blah, the camera doesn't show Derren shooting the gun blah blah blah.


I think that's about it.
 
DJM said:
Here is a summary of Skippy's material from this thread:

Blah blah I'm a lock expert, blah blah blah, the camera doesn't show Derren shooting the gun blah blah blah.


I think that's about it.
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Excellent.:D
 
DJM said:
Derren always says he doesn't use the participants as stooges or actors, meaning the ones that he tricks.
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Derren never says that. Some shows have a disclaimer, but others (such as Trick or Treat) don't. When a disclaimer is used, it simply states that no stooges or actors are used; it doesn't mention participants or anyone else specifically. If the person tricked is a celebrity, they're likely to act along with what's expected once they realize how the effect works, making them an instant stooge. A non-celebrity may well do the same, so as to make sure they do appear on TV. There are examples of both, where it's obvious that the person "tricked" does know what is really happening. When Derren played chess against various people simultaneously, some of those people had guessed in advance that Derren would remember moves played by others and then play those moves as his own! Those people weren't tricked; they just chose to be stooges rather than spoil the effect.
 
Derren DOES say that in general, in interviews and such. He never uses the participants as stooges or actors, including the celebs.

You sound just like a broken record, even though we always find that you are wrong about everything. What a joke.
 
skipjack said:
*snip* When Derren played chess against various people simultaneously, some of those people had guessed in advance that Derren would remember moves played by others and then play those moves as his own! Those people weren't tricked; they just chose to be stooges rather than spoil the effect.
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Of course you have proof of this?
 
I don't know how Derren means it when he says he does not use stooges, but I know that if I were to make an instant stooge of someone I would in good faith and without feeling dishonest in the slightest advertise that I did not use stooges.

There is a significant element of risk in relying on instant stooges.

Note that this says nothing about DB's methods or meaning--only mine.
 
skipjack said:
Derren never says that. Some shows have a disclaimer, but others (such as Trick or Treat) don't. When a disclaimer is used, it simply states that no stooges or actors are used; it doesn't mention participants or anyone else specifically. If the person tricked is a celebrity, they're likely to act along with what's expected once they realize how the effect works, making them an instant stooge. A non-celebrity may well do the same, so as to make sure they do appear on TV. There are examples of both, where it's obvious that the person "tricked" does know what is really happening. When Derren played chess against various people simultaneously, some of those people had guessed in advance that Derren would remember moves played by others and then play those moves as his own! Those people weren't tricked; they just chose to be stooges rather than spoil the effect.
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Horse....... dead..... continue to beat.
 
Azrael 5 said:
Of course you have proof of this?
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A participant in the show spoke on television about it, and said what he had thought might happen. The show revealed minimal detail of the individual games (with good reason), so that they couldn't be compared directly. The burden of proof falls on the performer, i.e., Derren, not on me, as you should know.
 
Garrette said:
I were to make an instant stooge of someone I would in good faith and without feeling dishonest in the slightest advertise that I did not use stooges.
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If you added after the event the type of disclaimer Derren uses, you would be knowingly giving false information, since "made an instant stooge of someone" is incompatible with "no stooges were used".
 
DJM said:
Derren DOES say that in general, in interviews and such. He never uses the participants as stooges or actors, including the celebs.
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He's never specified the participants (or anyone else) in his televised shows, and Robbie Williams is a "celeb" who, through his experience of tattooing, couldn't fail to know that his arms were not being pierced by Derren's needles. Robbie's closing comments made it perfectly clear that he realized what was really done at the time, and that there was no risk to himself.
 
DJM said:
Here is a summary: Blah blah I'm a lock expert, . . .
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That's a deliberate untruth; I never claimed to be a lock expert, just that I've possessed (and played about with) a combination lock similar in appearance to the one used in Derren's show. Normal use of that type of lock suffices to enable one to know that the proper procedure for opening the lock is a lot lengthier than the procedure used on the show. Also, mere use of Google suffices to find a quite cheap lock (albeit key-operated) that is designed to be alternatively unlockable by a wireless remote control device, whereas some locks offered to magicians as trick locks cost much, much more, despite being just modified commercially available (at low prices) standard combination locks.
 
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DJM said:
I already answered you that question. That it doesn't matter, and it was most likely a mistake in filming. It has nothing to do with the method itself. Remember that they used remote cameras.
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It does matter, as it means the key event wasn't shown! It clearly couldn't have been a mere "mistake in filming"; the fact that remotely-operated cameras were being used implies these camera were carefully set up in advance, and the production staff must have been well aware that one of the cameras (which was used when chamber five turned out to be empty) would give a good view, whereas another would not show Derren's hand or the gun if Derren extended his arm. Also, the rapid changes of camera used must have been planned in advance, but weren't used for the slightly earlier showing of what happened in relation to chamber five.
 
skipjack said:
If you added after the event the type of disclaimer Derren uses, you would be knowingly giving false information, since "made an instant stooge of someone" is incompatible with "no stooges were used".
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If you knew anything about magic then you would know that an instant stooge is very difefrent than a regular stooge, and it's not considered one. So Derren is telling the truth about it.

Because you have zero understanding in magic, then it's a waste of time talking to you.

Enjoy repeating yourself all the time, you are now officially the clown of this forum.
 
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