Derren Brown Trick or treat

Garrette said:
Actually, I have definitive proof that no Derrens at all were on board any planes on 9/11.

Coincidence? I think not.
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Since they have all signed non-disclosure agreements, I doubt we'll ever know for sure.

Perhaps we could see what the Jersey Police had to say?
 
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I'm convinced Az.

(Wow. What a great voice. And truthfully the lyrics aren't bad and the instrumentation is catchy. If he had been a bit more ruthless in editing it wouldn't have gotten boring toward the end).
 
Garrette said:
I found this document and am quoting the relevant portion:

"We are in agreement that there is no danger to the towers."
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Thank you for researching the report. However, the Jersey Police statement is open to interpretation and as such may well be mis-leading.

At no point does it define whether or not there was ever any actual danger to the Derrens.
 
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JonWhite said:
The Jersey Police statement is open to interpretation and as such may be mis-leading.

At no point does it define whether there was any actual danger to the Derrens.
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From which we can assume either that the Derrens had licenses for the towers or the towers were fake. And since no Derren has ever mentioned a license, it follows the towers were fake.

Ergo, there was no thermite in the towers at all, but lots and lots of blanks.
 
Garrette said:
From which we can assume either that the Derrens had licenses for the towers or the towers were fake. And since no Derren has ever mentioned a license, it follows the towers were fake.

Ergo, there was no thermite in the towers at all, but lots and lots of blanks.
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Notice how 3 of the Derrens went missing shortly before the blanks were placed into WTC.Its discussed in Loose Change thread #16.
 
Azrael 5 said:
Notice how 3 of the Derrens went missing shortly before the blanks were placed into WTC.Its discussed in Loose Change thread #16.
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Ah, now I understand. My computer screen is very dark and I failed to spot that. :D
 
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So..are we all done at fake smoke,fake gun and 3 Derrens..?

Going once...
Going twice....
 
Different topic though still about DB:

I recently got "Tricks of the Mind." Haven't read all of it yet, but I have read some of his comments on NLP.

He makes it quite clear that he puts no stock in NLP and that he doesn't use it.

More than that, he expresses surprise how many claim he uses NLP because he say he has never mentioned it in his shows.

Can anyone point to a counter example?

I don't have the book in front of me, but tonight I'll find the exact quotation.
 
I know he discussed it briefly in Pure Effect,as a possible method.But generally I don't think he has claimed it on TV.
 
Is it not more that his "apparent" methods often also have a basis in NLP teaching?

I'm thinking of, say, his supposedly using eye movement predicates to evaluate a persons thought process, embedded commands such as with the BMX bike thing or the use of anchoring as in the "missing the tube stop" effect.

It's possibly more the usual case of how half-informed guesswork incorrectly attributes his effects to NLP rather than any claim by him.
 
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Did he not mention NLP quite prominently in the set-up for The Heist?
 
I would guess JonWhite is close to the truth.

Unless volatile is correct and he mentions it in Heist.


For anyone else who wants to jump in, please understand that I am not arguing for whether or not DB actually uses NLP (he says he doesn't; I'm confident he doesn't; he says it's bunk; I say it's bunk). I'm only interested in whether or not he has mentioned it during a show. (Mentioned in the context of giving the impression he uses it).
 
As far as I know, Derren has never mentioned the word NLP on his TV and stage shows. Everything he does has other explanations.

The BMX effect is a good example how he uses a simple trick, while making it seem like it's all about suggestion. But it's just a trick.. All the "NLP" stuff is just the misdirection. And people can't even say he's lying because he himself admits it's bunk..
 
DJM said:
As far as I know, Derren has never mentioned the word NLP on his TV and stage shows.
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That's his claim. I take him at his word, but I seem to recall discussions in which it was taken as given that DB not just used but mentioned NLP in his shows.


DJM said:
Everything he does has other explanations.
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No argument from me.


DJM said:
The BMX effect is a good example how he uses a simple trick, while making it seem like it's all about suggestion. But it's just a trick.. All the "NLP" stuff is just the misdirection.
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How is it misdirection if he never mentions it?
 
He sometimes uses "subliminal messages" for his misdrection, Like the explanation at the end of the BMX effect. Sometimes he would also create the illusion that there's hypnosis and "NLP" involved to make it all more powerful.. But it's only an illusion, doesn't mean he really does it.

That's the misdirection.
 
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