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[Dr. A Sheikh]

If you could prove your claim then you can win a fabolous prize. After all you think your claim is right.

 

[Z]

If you could prove your claim then you can win a fabolous prize. After all you think your claim is right.

You never took high school level chemistry, did you Mr. Sheikh? This is elementary chemistry.

But since Mr. MAS is a fraud and a cheat, there is no prize. He is a LIAR, and should be arrested on criminal charges.

So should you.

 

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

If you could prove your claim then you can win a fabolous prize. After all you think your claim is right.

If you think Zaayrdragon is incorrect, could you describe, as succinctly as possible, what you think would actually happen in his scenario?

~~ Paul

 

[H'ethetheth]

If you could prove your claim then you can win a fabolous prize. After all you think your claim is right.

The thing is, Sheikh, that if a,b,c etc are unknown, we can't know exactly how many moles are in the solution, but what we do know is the absolute upper boundary to the amount of particles.
For every gram of any substance, there can never be more than one mole of particles. I have calculated this for you, but obviously you did not understand.
And if there can never be more than one mole per gram of anything, any reaction with the solvent wil produce 1 mole of altered solvent molecules. The only other thing that could possibly happen is a catalytic reaction, but then you would still throw away 99% of your catalyst and your altered solvent at every step. This means you will run out of catalyst at 12C, the reaction stops and you will run out of altered solvent very soon after that.

Now where is the million rupees?

Come to think of it, the only thing that could make you not run out of particles is to use a chemical that makes copies of itself. If you manage that, Kent Hovind might shut op for once and you might win the Nobel prize of chemistry.

Oh crap, yoghurt and milk.

 

[PixyMisa]

You have misunderstood the process of succcession.

Nope.

It is un-broken continous process in which dilutions are prepared in series without break.

So what? You are diluting by 10 times or a hundred times at each stage, right?

So simple arithmetic is all that is required.

From one side bottle is filled and on the other side it is evacuated. There is no break. Where the molecules are moving or what is the reaction going on, no body knows.

None of that matters, even if your initial substance is reacting with your solvent. (In which case, lousy choice of solvent, guys.)

All you need is arithmetic. Which apparently you know nothing about, just as you know nothing about chemistry.

 

[PixyMisa]

Ah, sorry.

I see from the other thread that you explain that when homeopaths say that a remedy is diluted 18X or 30C or whatever, they are lying, and in fact they have no idea what the actual dilution is; that the process is knowingly sloppy and uncontrolled.

Okay, that's just fraud and reckless endangerment of public health rather than impossible. Fine then.

 

[Psiload]

Now that is a depressing picture. The time and talent of intelligent electronics engineers was pissed away designing and manufacturing a nifty little gizmo to churn out homeopathic delusion juice.

Sad.

 

[Dr. A Sheikh]

You never took high school level chemistry, did you Mr. Sheikh? This is elementary chemistry.

But since Mr. MAS is a fraud and a cheat, there is no prize. He is a LIAR, and should be arrested on criminal charges.

So should you.

I agree with you, trial should be conducted on James Randi and Dr. MAS in one court.

 

[Dr. A Sheikh]

annor,

there are so many compounds which react with homeopathic solvent (water and ethyle alcohol mixture)

 

[clarsct]

Bonus question, for the 'Dr.' only:
If you combine 2 moles of Hydrogen and 1 mole of Oxygen with the required heat to get a reaction, how many moles of water do you produce?


This question is very relevent to the discussion of Avagadro's constant. Please answer it.

 

[anor277]

annor,

there are so many compounds which react with homeopathic solvent (water and ethyle alcohol mixture)

I invite you again to name one such compound that reacts with room temperature ethyl alcohol.

 

[MRWiffen]

annor,

there are so many compounds which react with homeopathic solvent (water and ethyle alcohol mixture)

If this is true alcoholic beverages couldn't be traced back to their initial components. Also during an earthquake plants would start to react with themselves and the environment, if it is true that water/alcohol + shaking causes a reaction.

 

[Zep]

Wiff, I know you are joking, but PLEASE don't give him MORE ideas to work with. He seems to have no idea of basic science, biology, or chemistry. So the irony of such comments flies right past his nose completely unnoticed!

 

[MRWiffen]

Wiff, I know you are joking, but PLEASE don't give him MORE ideas to work with. He seems to have no idea of basic science, biology, or chemistry. So the irony of such comments flies right past his nose completely unnoticed!

Sorry, I thought if I showed how ridiculus his argument actually was he might notice. Silly of me to think a homeopath can learn anything without being vigourously shaken themselves.

 

[steenkh]

Sorry, I thought if I showed how ridiculus his argument actually was he might notice. Silly of me to think a homeopath can learn anything without being vigourously shaken themselves.

Now you did it again! Next thing he will claim that vigorous shaking will make a difference!

 

[MRWiffen]

Now you did it again! Next thing he will claim that vigorous shaking will make a difference!

I'll volunteer to shake him, though I might need some help. See if he can learn some chemistry that way, explaining it doesn't seem to.

 

[MRC_Hans]

You have misunderstood the process of succcession. It is un-broken continous process in which dilutions are prepared in series without break. From one side bottle is filled and on the other side it is evacuated. There is no break. Where the molecules are moving or what is the reaction going on, no body knows. Detail is available at NCH web site

Please provide evidence that potentization is not performed as dilution, succussion, dilution, succussion, etc.

No, a picture of some machine is not evidence.

Dr. Sheikh, are we talking about homeoapthy, or something else? Read your Organon of Medicine. It is quite specific about how to prepare a homeopathic remedy. If you are talking about something else, then it is not homeopathy.

(But in reality you are just demonstrating your ignorance, right?)

Hans

 

[MRC_Hans]

Oh, and on your original question, Sheikh: Please provide the mole values of your a, b, c, etc. constituents. That is, how many moles of each exist in the mother tincture (it is alright to use hypothetical values), and I'll figure out the exact point where each hits the Avogadro limit.

Hans

 

[Dr. A Sheikh]

I invite you again to name one such compound that reacts with room temperature ethyl alcohol.

acetic acid with ethyle alcohol

 

[geni]

acetic acid with ethyle alcohol

um no that is so not going to happen. Esterification of carboxylic acids and alcohols doesn't happen at room tempreture. In fact doing Esterification in this form is not very easy.