Democrats = Antifa = BS

baron said:
Do they? Whilst my knowledge of the American way of life is not extensive I find it difficult to believe that the police make a record of the caller's political stance before embarking on a course of action.
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Ah, when you aren't posting youtube memes, you're showing that you really don't know anything about the subject at all, I guess...

caller...no, we're talking about protests and other political activities here.
 
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baron said:
I consider them as bad. They embrace Antifa ideology but baulk at joining in the violence so they shout encouragement from the sidelines, so to speak.
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So to speak? Don't you think you're twisting words a bit in order to put them on the same level?

As I say, if people want to protest against fascism there are 101 groups you can join
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Is there a membership card they get for Antifa? I wasn't aware we were talking about a well-organised group here. They seem more loosely associated to me.

However, I suspect many members of Antifa are simply social inadequates looking to belong.
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Sounds like you don't think they're as bad as the terrorists.
 
Also, white supremacy being a unified movement is a farce. At least here in the plains, it's basically like Life of Brian with Joe Yokel, his 2 cousins, and a dozen lowlifes declaring everyone else "splitters."

That "Grand Dragon" who's body they found last year in Missouri was head of a group of 20 or so. Statements from other "Grand Dragons" in the region at the time were certainly not of the "condolences and solidarity" variety...
 
I have the most scorn for these police departments who seem determined to let these street fighters brawl it out in the public sphere. These clashes have been happening regularly enough that not being prepared with enough police to effectively arrest anyone engaged in violence is a choice being made.

NYPD didn't do a thing about those junior brownshirts openly beating people in the streets and only made arrests after the fact in response to the outcry. Luckily those idiots don't have the common sense to conceal their faces like their antifa enemies, so retroactive arrests are possible. This is only the most recent example.

"letting them fight it out" is terrible public policy and I wish there was more outcry about that.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
I have the most scorn for these police departments who seem determined to let these street fighters brawl it out in the public sphere. These clashes have been happening regularly enough that not being prepared with enough police to effectively arrest anyone engaged in violence is a choice being made.

NYPD didn't do a thing about those junior brownshirts openly beating people in the streets and only made arrests after the fact in response to the outcry. Luckily those idiots don't have the common sense to conceal their faces like their antifa enemies, so retroactive arrests are possible. This is only the most recent example.

"letting them fight it out" is terrible public policy and I wish there was more outcry about that.
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If the FBI's operating properly, it's looking hard into RICO charges against Gavin McGinnis, since he's flat out stated that he created the Proud Boys as a violent, interstate gang, complete with initiation ceremonies like jumping in new members and requiring violence to move up in ranks. I wouldn't be slightly shocked to find other illegal activities, like drug smuggling and the like involved.

Course, since this administration is entirely uninterested in white supremacist terrorists and the like (they seem more interested in attacking groups like the Water Protectors or Black Lives Matter), I doubt it's been ordered from up top, but there are a surprising number of good people at the FBI.

Delphic Oracle said:
Also, white supremacy being a unified movement is a farce. At least here in the plains, it's basically like Life of Brian with Joe Yokel, his 2 cousins, and a dozen lowlifes declaring everyone else "splitters."

That "Grand Dragon" who's body they found last year in Missouri was head of a group of 20 or so. Statements from other "Grand Dragons" in the region at the time were certainly not of the "condolences and solidarity" variety...
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Eh, they go through various efforts to put differences aside and cooperate - and CHeeto Benito's election has given them some reason to do so.
 
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Marching around chanting slogans: get kettled, beaten, thrown in jail, and start practicing explaining to future employers why you have a criminal record.

Marching around beating people for no reason: get quietly shadowed to make sure nothing "gets out of hand."

Makes sense.
 
Mumbles said:
Eh, they go through various efforts to put differences aside and cooperate - and CHeeto Benito's election has given them some reason to do so.
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Antifa also make various efforts to set differences aside and cooperate.

I was pushing back against the idea of white nationalism being unified and coordinated in contrast to antifa. I'm not defending white nationalism, mind you, but remarking on their supposed organizational unity.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
Pointing to examples of good deeds doesn't really address the concern raised about the very frequent poor target selection priority.

"Why did you kick that dog?"

"Relax, I helped an old lady cross the street earlier."
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Exactly it is like how effectively all cops are nazis. There are some nazi cops so there for all cops support nazis it is really quite simple.
 
theprestige said:
The definition of anti-fascist seems to expand whenever convenient to excuse political violence from the left. And we've known for at decades that "conservative" = "fascist" for many progressives.

That kind of uncharitable hyperbole was tolerable when it was just rhetoric. But now that progressives are finding in themselves a taste for political violence, the equation of conservatives with fascists is pretty worrying.

You're trying to have it both ways.
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To this progressive, "conservative" for the last couple of decades = "reactionary" -- it's an attitude, not a political philosophy. It's just that reactionaries tend toward fascism when they feel especially threatened.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Just using your logic. Antifa are all terrorists, cops are all nazis, makes things so simple.
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My logic?

Do you have me confused with Baron now? Have you not noticed my posts to him?

This sure illustrates how "clearly" you understand the threads you participate in, and explains quite a bit about your usual contributions.
 
This all pointless. It's two groups trying to pin or not pin an extremist group on each other using two entirely different sliding scales of definition.

We can't agree on what extreme is if we all start from different starting points of what the "default middle ground" is.
 
JoeMorgue said:
This all pointless. It's two groups trying to pin or not pin an extremist group on each other using two entirely different sliding scales of definition.

We can't agree on what extreme is if we all start from different starting points of what the "default middle ground" is.
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Well, maybe we can agree that there are some very bad people on both sides.
 
JoeMorgue said:
This all pointless. It's two groups trying to pin or not pin an extremist group on each other using two entirely different sliding scales of definition.

We can't agree on what extreme is if we all start from different starting points of what the "default middle ground" is.
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Previously, "Nazis are bad" has been a pretty good middle ground. Something we could all agree with. Not any more it seems.
 
uke2se said:
Previously, "Nazis are bad" has been a pretty good middle ground. Something we could all agree with. Not any more it seems.
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Is there anyone here arguing that NAZI's are good? I for one am totally on board with NAZI's are bad, and Fascists are bad. I'm adamantly opposed to, "....therefore its justified to preemptively physically assault NAZI's."
 
ahhell said:
Is there anyone here arguing that NAZI's are good? I for one am totally on board with NAZI's are bad, and Fascists are bad. I'm adamantly opposed to, "....therefore its justified to preemptively physically assault NAZI's."
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Nowadays there's usually a "yes, but...".

If Nazis are bad, opposing Nazis must be good. If the Nazis bring violence, using violence against them must be morally right, yes?

Because the Nazis are violent by definition, there must therefore be moral justification to be violent towards Nazis.

Now, about that middle ground. How about we say "Nazis are bad" and end it there with a full stop. We don't go "but... Antifa something something". That makes it look like you're apologizing for Nazis, who, as we've agreed, are bad.
 
ahhell said:
Is there anyone here arguing that NAZI's are good? I for one am totally on board with NAZI's are bad, and Fascists are bad. I'm adamantly opposed to, "....therefore its justified to preemptively physically assault NAZI's."
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Without opening up an argument we've had way too many times on this board, the question at what point a group becomes, by their own admission, so bad that it's no long "preemptive."

We fought the biggest war in history against the Nazis. We're way past "pre" everything.
 
ahhell said:
Is there anyone here arguing that NAZI's are good? I for one am totally on board with NAZI's are bad, and Fascists are bad. I'm adamantly opposed to, "....therefore its justified to preemptively physically assault NAZI's."
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Or even standing up to them, defending yourself from nazis is of course worse than being a nazi. After all that is what will get you arrested, while nazis going on a nice riot the cops are cool with until the video comes out.
 
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