Democrats = Antifa = BS

An interesting thought experiment one can do is to take a statement of contemporary Nazi activity in America and replace the word 'Nazi' with 'ISIS'.

For example:

ISIS went to Portland and engaged in street battles with Anti-ISIS groups.

You might think "Hey, why aren't the police arresting these ISIS people? Why should we have to put up with having terrorist supporters coming to our cities and attacking our citizens?"
 
Does anyone else see it like me?

The vast majority of people voting do not support the Stalinists on the left, or the Nazis on the right. They support the official that is closest to their views.

it seems that the extremist activists on both sides are able to influence people to think that anyone who votes one way or the other is taking their position. The media helps this illusion.

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Drewbot said:
Does anyone else see it like me?

The vast majority of people voting do not support the Stalinists on the left, or the Nazis on the right. They support the official that is closest to their views.

it seems that the extremist activists on both sides are able to influence people to think that anyone who votes one way or the other is taking their position. The media helps this illusion.

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Who are the Stalinists on the left? Name and shame, please.
 
No. Humanity is not graph-able on a chart.

Everyone is not going to line up in some perfect "One arbitrary political extreme to the other" heightline so we can cordon off the ends of it so we have convenient "extremists" to use against each other in arguments.

Someone who thinks 2+2=4 with the same fever, passion, and refusal to compromise as someone who is equally fervent but thinks 2+2=A Potato is not "just as bad."
 
Mumbles said:
Hahahahaha!!!
*breathes*
aaaahhAHAHAHAHA!!!

Ah, when you aren't posting youtube memes, you're showing that you really don't know anything about the subject at all, I guess...

caller...no, we're talking about protests and other political activities here.
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Try reading the thread. No, I was responding to:

dann said:
Conservatives have much more efficient ways of intimidating people. They call the police and have them dole out violence.
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There is no mention of protests or political activities. What's more, it says, 'conservatives', not 'Proud Boys' or 'Nazis'.

Oh wait, I get it. All conservatives are Nazis. Of course. I don't need to be an expert in US politics to dismiss that garbage out of hand.

Belz... said:
So to speak? Don't you think you're twisting words a bit in order to put them on the same level?
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'So to speak' meaning they don't actually shout, they type. Anyone who calls for violence and fascism is the rough equivalent of those who carry it out. You can argue about who is worse but that's like debating whether cat **** stinks worse than dog ****. They both stink, let's leave it at that.

Belz... said:
Is there a membership card they get for Antifa? I wasn't aware we were talking about a well-organised group here. They seem more loosely associated to me.
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They are, but lack of organisation is not a virtue. The only reason they don't organise is that they see order as the domain of fascist authority. They don't want to be controlled, they're free, nobody tells them what to do.






And I know, it's cat ****, but that's just an analogy.
 
Drewbot said:
Does anyone else see it like me?

The vast majority of people voting do not support the Stalinists on the left, or the Nazis on the right. They support the official that is closest to their views.

it seems that the extremist activists on both sides are able to influence people to think that anyone who votes one way or the other is taking their position. The media helps this illusion.

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Antifa are not the opposite of nazis on the left-right scale. They are off on the z-axis somewhere, far away from the left, although some have leftist leanings.

Having communist or socialist philosophies can make you hate nazis and saddle up with antifa. It's not a requirement.
 
dudalb said:
... I personally saw some protestors, who I think would consider themselves Antifa do, when I was in Berkeley last year.
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You personally saw some protesters doing something, and you personally "think they would consider themselves Antifa?
Well, I'm convinced!
 
uke2se said:
An interesting thought experiment one can do is to take a statement of contemporary Nazi activity in America and replace the word 'Nazi' with 'ISIS'.

For example:

ISIS went to Portland and engaged in street battles with Anti-ISIS groups.

You might think "Hey, why aren't the police arresting these ISIS people? Why should we have to put up with having terrorist supporters coming to our cities and attacking our citizens?"
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Devil's advocate: ISIS is listed, federally, as a terrorist organization. "Nazi's" are not. Certain Nazi groups are however.
 
lobosrul5 said:
Devil's advocate: ISIS is listed, federally, as a terrorist organization. "Nazi's" are not. Certain Nazi groups are however.
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God's Hostile Witness: Probably because "Nazis are the enemy" is something that fell under the "Crap We Shouldn't Have to Tell You Act of 1972."
 
uke2se said:
Who are the Stalinists on the left? Name and shame, please.
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I just put Antifa and the Stalinists in that corner on the left. I was remembering that Anti-fascism was the cry that brought Stalinism to the forefront in Russia, and also created issues in Spain in the 30's.
 
Drewbot said:
I just put Antifa and the Stalinists in that corner on the left. I was remembering that Anti-fascism was the cry that brought Stalinism to the forefront in Russia, and also created issues in Spain in the 30's.
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We're not beholding to political definitions and a political spectrum from almost a hundred years ago.

We might as well be arguing if Antifa are Federalist or Whigs if we're gonna do that.
 
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uke2se said:
An interesting thought experiment one can do is to take a statement of contemporary Nazi activity in America and replace the word 'Nazi' with 'ISIS'.

For example:

ISIS went to Portland and engaged in street battles with Anti-ISIS groups.

You might think "Hey, why aren't the police arresting these ISIS people? Why should we have to put up with having terrorist supporters coming to our cities and attacking our citizens?"
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Oof, that is pretty bad. Try this thought experiment:

Antifa went to Portland and engaged in street battles with groups they declared were NAZIS, and shut down traffic and when one old guy tried to get away they attacked him and smashed up his car and the mayor did not do **** about it and then Portland became a festering **** hole.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Without opening up an argument we've had way too many times on this board, the question at what point a group becomes, by their own admission, so bad that it's no long "preemptive."

We fought the biggest war in history against the Nazis. We're way past "pre" everything.
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JoeMorgue said:
We're not beholding to political definitions and a political spectrum from almost a hundred years ago.

We might as well be arguing if Antifa are Federalist or Whigs.
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I find this somewhat ironic.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Is it your argument that "Nazis" have somehow evolved into a more reasonable and tolerance deserving group?
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free speech rights are not dependent on whether the party in question has become more reasonable or tolerant.
 
JoeMorgue said:
God's Hostile Witness: Probably because "Nazis are the enemy" is something that fell under the "Crap We Shouldn't Have to Tell You Act of 1972."
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But what about the fine folk of the alt right? They are not nazis they are just ethno nationalists that is totally fine trying to make this a country for the white race. See the prominent republicans who are unafraid of saying so.
 
The Big Dog said:
free speech rights are not dependent on whether the party in question has become more reasonable or tolerant.
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Watching your faux pearl clutching over Freedom of Speech is almost as fun as watching your faux pearl clutching over minorities.
 
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