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doronshadmi said:
Not at all.

Forum posting is nothing but some particular representation of direct perception.
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So you claim you are unable to even particularly represent it?

You say DP (man, I should lead another life, I have a totally different connotation with that) is not worth very much?

doronshadmi said:
For example : thought thought thought …
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ibbiddi ibbiddi ibbiddi

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doronshadmi said:
As you see your verbal activity cannot be done without direct perception, which its simplest researchable form is at least Non-locality\Locality linkage.
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You mean... two points are at the end of a line segment. Nothing new there.


doronshadmi said:
Grasping Om requires self awareness of how direct perception is the basis of organized thoughts (no matter what these thoughts are).
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Bolding mine. Well, *that* is something you have proven...

doronshadmi said:
By getting this simplest basis one enables to be aware of the finest relations between different thoughts, and develops his\her ability to re-form and organize them into long term agreement between Complex systems, which reinforces the linkage between Complexity and Simplicity.
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Simple?


doronshadmi said:
The Tower of Babel is a beautiful metaphor of a civilization that lost its ability to communicate on the basis of direct perception, and as a result it lost its ability for smooth communication between its individuals (where smooth communication is not based on verbal-only skills).

The people in that metaphor, that built The Tower of Babel , built it exactly as a result of their loss of communication on the basis of direct perception.

The myth of the Garden of Eden is exactly the same story.

In this story Adam and Eve eat from the tree of knowledge and lose their ability to get direct perception (known by the name "innocence") as the basis that organizes any knowledge (they became verbal-based creatures).
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And now it sounds like "Snow Crash" by Neal Stephenson again.

When does something original pop up?


doronshadmi said:
Faith is a state of mind of a man that has lost his ability to use direct perception in order to organize his thoughts.

As a result he gets anything only on the verbal level, and needs faith in order to find his way.
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Nice, this makes me want to organise things like 'Doron vs Yrreg' and 'Moshe vs Greatest I Am'

I would not participate, but just read it :)
 
doronshadmi said:
The line is not made, defined (and any other bla bla bla ... verbal description that you wish) by points, exactly because a line is the simplest representation of a non-local building-block, and a point is the simplest representation of a local-building block.

This notion is organized thoughts that are based on direct perception, where direct perception itself is not a thought.
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You are playing with LEGO! I got it!
 
MosheKlein said:
I will not use the link that you share with me since I am looking to direct connection with Bill Gates. ( he can buy OM , since it is like windows but for the brain)
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Bill Gates is out of IT! Did you miss his 'last day at the office' video, or what?

But just because I really want to see you try, and because anyone with half a brain could get to this email address anyway.

Here is the email-addres of Steve Ballmer, the CEO of Microsoft:

steveb@microsoft.com
 
I am beginning to wonder more and more if Doron and Moshe are not simply two teens.

Here are some clues:

  • Failing to understand real math, but fighting it off with schoolyard evasiveness
  • Not knowing that Bill Gates is not working for Microsoft anymore and is now only doing charitable work (so no, he will not buy the idea).
  • Not knowing that the big shouting guy in a gorilla suit Steve Ballmer exists and that he is the CEO (the boss) of Microsoft.
  • Stating that they know 61 branches of math, but have to ask what a simple type 2 infinity is.
  • Playing with LEGO
So, I call that these are two misguided teens who have convinced themselves that they have an idea that will make them rich.

And *that* does make me feel sad, as I do not want to crush dreams of people...
 
realpaladin said:
Bill Gates is out of IT! Did you miss his 'last day at the office' video, or what?

But just because I really want to see you try, and because anyone with half a brain could get to this email address anyway.

Here is the email-addres of Steve Ballmer, the CEO of Microsoft:

steveb@microsoft.com
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thank you !

my e-mail address is

gan_adam@netvision.net.il

I can sent you if you want
A copy of my mail to Steve Ballamer.

Best
Moshe:c2:
 
doronshadmi said:
Sorry my typo mistake, the right one is:

"No, it is always a linkage between Non-locality and Locality, no matter what degrees of dimensions are used."

For example:

1/2 is the ratio between 1 and 2.

2/4 is the ratio between 2 and 4.

Pi/sqrt(2) is the ratio between pi and sqrt(2).

37/100 is the ratio between 37 and 100.

In general, no one of the values (x or y) of the ratio x/y has to be broken into pieces in order to define the result of x/y ratio, and no one of the results is made of broken pieces. It is all based on ratio, and this is exactly the reason of why 2/4 = 1/2.

Furthermore, if the result is based on the amount or size of elements that can cover another element, then the covered element is non-local w.r.t any element that covers it, if this element < the covered element.

No covered element and no element < the covered element are made of broken pieces.
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I have to point out that Doron has referred to essentially invariant proportions or constants, like pi and the speed of light, as also his ‘atoms’. ‘Not composed’ and ‘invisible’ while both are composed specifically as divisions. Now with pi I might give him some leeway there as it is in dimensionless units. The ratio of diameter to circumference, so whatever units you are using cancel and a line can just be considered a circle or curve of infinite radius. However, the speed of light or any speed (or velocity for a vector) is specifically breaking down distance into pieces related to unit time or one dimension to a unit value of another, thus not dimensionless.
 
realpaladin said:
I am beginning to wonder more and more if Doron and Moshe are not simply two teens.

Here are some clues:

  • Failing to understand real math, but fighting it off with schoolyard evasiveness
  • Not knowing that Bill Gates is not working for Microsoft anymore and is now only doing charitable work (so no, he will not buy the idea).
  • Not knowing that the big shouting guy in a gorilla suit Steve Ballmer exists and that he is the CEO (the boss) of Microsoft.
  • Stating that they know 61 branches of math, but have to ask what a simple type 2 infinity is.
  • Playing with LEGO
So, I call that these are two misguided teens who have convinced themselves that they have an idea that will make them rich.

And *that* does make me feel sad, as I do not want to crush dreams of people...
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So I think that you are a girl
you attract to OM
but you don't let it
to go inside you..
 
realpaladin said:
I am beginning to wonder more and more if Doron and Moshe are not simply two teens.

Here are some clues:

  • Failing to understand real math, but fighting it off with schoolyard evasiveness
  • Not knowing that Bill Gates is not working for Microsoft anymore and is now only doing charitable work (so no, he will not buy the idea).
  • Not knowing that the big shouting guy in a gorilla suit Steve Ballmer exists and that he is the CEO (the boss) of Microsoft.
  • Stating that they know 61 branches of math, but have to ask what a simple type 2 infinity is.
  • Playing with LEGO
So, I call that these are two misguided teens who have convinced themselves that they have an idea that will make them rich.

And *that* does make me feel sad, as I do not want to crush dreams of people...
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I doubt teens but they certainly have regressed, it is the basis of the OM notions. These OM notions were derived from interaction with kindergarten classes (or a class). That the innocence and inquisitive yet uncontaminated nature of youth provide for broader interpretations and perhaps more creativity. Again reminds my of my hippie dippy days back in the sixties and seventies. Who knows back then I might have thought this was the greatest thing going, as I did a lot of things back then. However, also back then I learned what it actually took to change the world (or just your part of it) and peoples perceptions including the risks, abuse and harm many had to endure for those changes. It was not rhetoric that changed things but action and often inaction in the face of abuse. I see nothing but rhetoric in OM, no action, no use and certainly no relevance to what is required to change the world, or even simply the world of math.
 
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MosheKlein said:
So I think that you are a girl
you attract to OM
but you don't let it
to go inside you..
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Wow, the penile application of OM. So Moshe are you saying OM wants to rape us? Perhaps I was wrong realpalaldin, you may be spot on with the teenager interpretation.

ETA:
*If that is not your intent then just whip it out, show us what you got, some might be interested. Again this is the show me forum.

*speaking figuratively of course.
 
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MosheKlein said:
I can sent to you in the private address of this forum if you want that
But I really have to live now for doing another contract..
I will ceck your answer in this evening
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Moshe, best of luck with all your business prospects. Since Doron claims that OM is a generalization of maths, obviously you can do everything you do in math with OM. Mathematicians extend math's so that it can solve more problems. What problem do you see that math is unable to solve and OM does?
 
sympathic said:
Moshe, best of luck with all your business prospects. Since Doron claims that OM is a generalization of maths, obviously you can do everything you do in math with OM. Mathematicians extend math's so that it can solve more problems. What problem do you see that math is unable to solve and OM does?
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Follow the links I posted above... I am convinced we can not wear them out in any way shape or form...

We have about 3000 posts to go before we even approach their previous limits.
 
sympathic said:
Moshe, best of luck with all your business prospects. Since Doron claims that OM is a generalization of maths, obviously you can do everything you do in math with OM. Mathematicians extend math's so that it can solve more problems. What problem do you see that math is unable to solve and OM does?
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The six problem of David Hilbert !
 
realpaladin said:
Follow the links I posted above... I am convinced we can not wear them out in any way shape or form...

We have about 3000 posts to go before we even approach their previous limits.
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Ok, I will sent to your privat mail here a draft of a letter to Microsoft
This may take one ore two day's.

I have to go now.

bye
 
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