Debunking Popular Mechanics

kameelyun said:
Another outright lie concerns the thoroughness of our air defense system. PM claims that only one airplane (Payne Stewart's ill-fated private jet) was intercepted in the decade prior to 9/11. Not true. Sixty-seven of them occurred in just the one year before 9/11 alone.
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Oh boy. Another space cadet who doesn't know the difference between "scramble" and "intercept."
 
kameelyun said:
However, to watch a video of the collapse of WTC7 and not realize it's controlled demolition, well, you are wearing blinders of denial.
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Care to explain why the demo charges were so quiet?
 
Kiwiwriter said:
Well, all CTers are bad CTers, so there shouldn't be much debate there. But as for his book reviews...that one stank, but I'll reserve judgment on the rest until he shares them with us. I'd like to see his views on the movie "Capricorn One," next. I still say OJ Simpson did it! :D
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I think it was Hal Holbrook. Him being Deep Throat and all.

Oh wait. It WAS Holbrook in Capricorn One!!!

Never mind.
 
That's right!

ConspiRaider said:
I think it was Hal Holbrook. Him being Deep Throat and all.

Oh wait. It WAS Holbrook in Capricorn One!!!

Never mind.
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Hal Holbrook was the evil guy in Capricorn One and All the President's Men! That's the link! He's behind it all!

Brilliant!

Oh, and back to the original thread...if the omnipotent NWO could whip up such a brilliant "false flag" operation to plunge the US into war and dictatorship, how come they did such a bad job it, hey? I mean, they didn't make the killers Iraqis, they didn't plant weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, they didn't slam the fourth plane into the White House or some other target, they didn't jail all the Democrats, they didn't shut down criticism of the war and Gitmo, and they left all the CTers alive and whining.

For an omnipotent operation, the NWO is pretty inept...I mean, heck, you think they could have come up with a better war leader than George W. Bush, fercryinoutloud. :boggled:
 
Kiwiwriter said:
For an omnipotent operation, the NWO is pretty inept...I mean, heck, you think they could have come up with a better war leader than George W. Bush, fercryinoutloud. :boggled:
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Hey. I thought that whole deer in the headlamps thing at the Florida school was a stroke of genius!
 
Yeah, too bad....

Arus808 said:
hmm...only three posts and he runs away...
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But like Willie Nelson's "Highwayman," (playing on my computer just now) there'll be another one coming here soon enough to challenge us.

The tumbrels await! :)
 
Kiwiwriter said:
Hal Holbrook was the evil guy in Capricorn One and All the President's Men! That's the link! He's behind it all!

Brilliant!

Oh, and back to the original thread...if the omnipotent NWO could whip up such a brilliant "false flag" operation to plunge the US into war and dictatorship, how come they did such a bad job it, hey? I mean, they didn't make the killers Iraqis, they didn't plant weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, they didn't slam the fourth plane into the White House or some other target, they didn't jail all the Democrats, they didn't shut down criticism of the war and Gitmo, and they left all the CTers alive and whining.

For an omnipotent operation, the NWO is pretty inept...I mean, heck, you think they could have come up with a better war leader than George W. Bush, fercryinoutloud. :boggled:
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Yep, Kiwi.

I love how the originators of the CT debunk themselves. Groaningly, I linked to the Guns-n-Butter interview with Indira Singh awhile ago. Same groaningly reluctant attitude when I struggled through a Webster Tarpley radio show. Anyway Singh is going on about how Building 7 would be "pulled" and how PTech was used to run all the FAA computers and just kept going on and on about how everything was corrupt, everything was interconnected, The Gov did it all... Then she mentions about how she's in fear for her life and blah blah blah...

Exactly, Indira! Why are you still alive?!? Why would The Gov horribly kill thousands in a televised spectacle - but leave you alive to uncover the whole dastardly plot?
 
Enjoy your jokes while you can guys. Any second now kameelyun is gonna come back and blow us all away with his troofer facts.
 
WildCat said:
Enjoy your jokes while you can guys. Any second now kameelyun is gonna come back and blow us all away with his troofer facts.
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You saw through that, huh? That false bravado? Nervous little jokey-poohs whilst we dreadingly peer at the active users board for the kameelyun smackdown?

You, WildCat, are good. Get a plush office, a couch, a receptionist and a couple or three dozen patients and start a therapy practice on the side.
 
kameelyun said:
I knew this would be the kind of flaming I would receive.
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Flaming? FLAMING?? People welcome you to the forum, ask you specific questions in a direct but polite manner and mention the need for evidence (shame on them, this being a skeptics forum) and you call that flaming?

Sheeeesh.

ETA: Late to the party, I see. No matter - the point bears emphasis.
 
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kameelyun said:
When James Meigs, editor of PM, appears on media outlets such as the O'Reilly Factor, he reassures FOX's mainstream audience that PM is not a political organization, or an organization seeking a specific conclusion, et cetera. However, the book's foreword was written by none other than GOP darling John McCain....
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You mean perhaps media darling John McCain? In a recent poll of Republican US bloggers, John McCain was the second LEAST desired presidential nominee. Full disclosure: I was one of those polled.)

Another hole in McCain's rhetoric: "To blame not a gang of terrorists but some conspiracy for September 11..." Well, first of all, REGARDLESS of WHO pulled off 9/11, they are TERRORISTS!
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Ah, we agree!

As far as the book itself is concerned, the only instances in which it does correctly expose erroneous 9/11 Truth arguments are when the original arguments were "straw men." In this instance, a "straw man" is when a true conclusion (9/11 was an inside job) is supported by bogus or unsubstantiated evidence. Once the particular erroneous argument is debunked, some will conclude that ALL arguments in the Truth Movement have been debunked, or can be debunked just as easily. In other words, the "straw man" ends up smearing the whole movement in the minds of many Truth Seekers. The most classic example is the "pod theory," which asserts that a missile pod was attached to the underbelly of the plane the hit the second tower, and that based on frame-by-frame analysis of the impact, a "flash" can be seen a millisecond before contact. This argument was popularized in the first major 9/11 conspiracy video "In Plane Site," a film which was a breakthrough in 2004 but is now considered old hat, especially as portions of it have been discredited.
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Do us a huge favor? Please list all the strawman arguments that you agree are ridiculous and unsupported, like the pod theory?

Does it concern you that a film was a breakthrough in 2004 but now is discredited? Does it concern you that Loose Change, which was the breakthrough film of 2006 is now derided as containing errors and conclusions which are not supported by the evidence as admitted by Dylan Avery, the writer/director/creator of the film?
 
Yawn

kameelyun said:
I knew this would be the kind of flaming I would receive.
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You are not being flamed. People are pointing out that you are yet another empty-headed conspiracy liar peddling a line of thoroughly debunked myths.


What exactly are "conspiracy theory" websites?
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They're the ones that recycle the same bogus science, distorted quotes, and outright lies over and over and over ...



The NIST and FEMA sites giving everyone's beloved "debris and fire" hypothesis - those themselves are CT sites! They back up the "official" conspiracy theory.
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NIST has published ten thousand pages covering every conceivable aspect of the collapses of the Twin Towers. We can assume that you haven't even read the FAQ. What errors made by the two hundred researchers call the NIST Report into question? Are there any errors you'd care to point out for us?


Popular Mechanics uses the 911-commission.gov as a source to back up its claims. That right there completely discredits it as "nonpolitical!"
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What exactly is the bias of a commission consisting of Republicans mostly supportive of Bush's policies and Democrats strongly opposed to them? Perhaps Richard ben-Veniste is in the tank for the Impossibly Vast Conspiracy?



As a truth seeker, I am not required to have all the answers. This is why we're calling for a fresh investigation.
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No, you are the antithesis of a truth-seeker. You are wedded to an absurd, wildly implausible fantasy that is contradicted by ALL the evidence. Your beliefs are unfalsifiable.



The amout of swift responses I received here means I must have ruffled some feathers!

Cheers!
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You bored us silly with the same tired, fact-free crap.
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Another truther hit and run I see.

It actually reminds me more of the dog taking a crap in the house, then running and hiding, knowing he has left crap, and fearing the repercussions. I have much more compassion for the dog, as most of them rarely know better.

Next time, Chamelion, just keep your crap for somewhere else if you are going to just leave it here and then run with your tail between your legs.

TAM
 
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