Debunk Alert: Experiment to Test for Eutectic Reaction

Christopher7 said:
Where it says iron melted.
Click to expand...
.
Which happens around 1536C for pure iron.

Meanwhile, you have admitted that an office fire can burn as hot as 1000C "in the open," but WTC7 continued to burn after collapse, this blanket of rubble insulation plus the chemical reactions could easily have added additional heat and lowered that melting point.

No extraordinary temps needed.
.
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
There doesn't need to be such a mechanism. Conditions inside the towers before and during the collapses adequately explain the amount of metallic microspheres found.
Click to expand...
Really? You know better than the R.J. Lee Group? They studied the evidence and came to the conclusion that iron melted and the spheres were formed DURING the WTC event.

Why don't you write them and tell them you don't think iron melted during the WTC event and they should correct their mistake.
 
Last edited:
TSR said:
.
Which happens around 1536C for pure iron.

Meanwhile, you have admitted that an office fire can burn as hot as 1000C "in the open," but WTC7 continued to burn after collapse, this blanket of rubble insulation plus the chemical reactions could easily have added additional heat and lowered that melting point..
Click to expand...
Wrong. No matter how much insulation there is, the temperature cannot exceed the source of the heat. Temperatures in a debris pile fire will be much lower than in an office fire.
 
Christopher7 said:
Wrong. No matter how much insulation there is, the temperature cannot exceed the source of the heat. Temperatures in a debris pile fire will be much lower than in an office fire.
Click to expand...
.
In an "in the open" fire the ambient temperature will be lower than the source.

This is part of why one does not leave the oven door open while cooking.

What do you think is the purpose of insulation -- or are you going to try to claim that the rubble did not so function?
.
 
Christopher7 said:
Wrong. No matter how much insulation there is, the temperature cannot exceed the source of the heat. Temperatures in a debris pile fire will be much lower than in an office fire.
Click to expand...

The highest temperature recorded in the debris pile was 1377oF. Since molten steel would have been at 2800oF minimum, we can conclude there was no molten steel in pile.

You're more than 1400o short of where you want to be if you want to prove the existence of molten steel.
 
Christopher7 said:
Wrong. No matter how much insulation there is, the temperature cannot exceed the source of the heat.
Click to expand...

Since the eutectic melting temperature we're talking about is below 1000ºC anyway, it doesn't need to.

Christopher7 said:
Temperatures in a debris pile fire will be much lower than in an office fire.
Click to expand...

"Once again you are speculating and talking as if you knew all there was to know," as somebody said recently.

Dave
 
Dave Rogers said:
I see C7 still doesn't understand the meaning of the word "eutectic" either.

Dave
Click to expand...
A good example of a eutectic is tin/lead solder. The lowest possible melting point of any alloy combination of tin and lead occurs with approximately 62% tin and 38% lead. That temperature is 361 degrees F (183 degrees C). If the percentage, by weight, of either the tin or lead is changed in either direction the melting temperature is greater than 361 degrees F. Individually both lead and tin have higher melting temperatures than 361 degrees F, with pure tin melting at about 450 degrees F (232 degrees C) and pure lead at 621 degrees F (327.5 degrees C).
T_Szamboti on Sat Jul 17, 2010 http://the911forum.freeforums.org/s...-i-beam-doesn-t-support-nist-t391.html#p11697
 
TSR said:
.
In an "in the open" fire the ambient temperature will be lower than the source.

This is part of why one does not leave the oven door open while cooking.

What do you think is the purpose of insulation -- or are you going to try to claim that the rubble did not so function?
.
Click to expand...
There are no doors on rubble piles. :boggled:
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
The highest temperature recorded in the debris pile was 1377oF. Since molten steel would have been at 2800oF minimum, we can conclude there was no molten steel in pile.

You're more than 1400o short of where you want to be if you want to prove the existence of molten steel.
Click to expand...

Correction. Unless they were able to measure all temperatures at all depths of the pile at all times, then we do not know for sure. More correctly, we can say there was no proof obtained via temp readings, that temps exceeded 1377F.

TAM:)
 
Apart from some iron micro spheres what other evidence is there for Thermite or indeed Thermate?

How much was used? where was it placed? How was it ignited?
Why was Thermite or Thermate chosen for the job when it isn't normaly used for demolition?
 
TSR said:
.
So, do you realize this means that a eutectic combination has a lower melting point than any of its components?

Meaning no extraordinary temperatures needed.
Click to expand...

Even the truthers from that link C7 posted believe that sulfur reacting with the iron caused the melting point to be significantly lower. They just say that the sulfur came from thermate, instead of from the various building materials.
 
Last edited:
C7 said:
Temperatures in a debris pile fire will be much lower than in an office fire.
Click to expand...
Dave Rogers said:
"Once again you are speculating and talking as if you knew all there was to know," as somebody said recently.

Dave
Click to expand...
Dave, you know that oxygen starved fires don't burn as hot as well ventilated fires . . . don't you?
 
excaza said:
Even the truthers from that link C7 posted believe that sulfur reacting with the iron caused the melting point to be significantly lower. They just say that the sulfur came from thermate, instead of from the various building materials.
Click to expand...
There is NO scientific evidence that sulfur from any source other than thermate can actually enter and lower the melting point of steel.

The claim that "The sulfur came from the drywall" was baseless speculation.

Jon's video has put that one to rest. Even Dr. Greening admits that.
 
Christopher7 said:
There is NO scientific evidence that sulfur from any source other than thermate can actually enter and lower the melting point of steel.
Click to expand...

The presence of sulfur doesn't necessitate thermate. Sulfur in thermate isn't magically better than other sulfur. Sulfur is sulfur, reacts the same way regardless of where it comes from.

You're not even reading the reports you're citing, you're simply quote mining from them. This is getting silly.
 
Last edited:
Christopher7 said:
Dave, you know that oxygen starved fires don't burn as hot as well ventilated fires . . . don't you?
Click to expand...

You are wrong. Combustion temperature is a equilibrium between heat generated and heat lost by conduction, radiation and convection.

A "well ventilated" fire loses lots of heat via convection, if nothing else.

A fire that is oxygen-limited may be very hot if it is well insulated and losing little heat to conduction, radiation and convection.

If you think I'm wrong, ask any fireman.

What else are you ignorant of?
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top Bottom