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Debunk Alert: Experiment to Test for Eutectic Reaction

beachnut said:
NIST? NIST has dogs that find explosives?

Did you do tests? What did the FBI do? Did the FDNY check for explosives? Would you?

The proof is, no explosives found, no evidence of explosives found, no thermite found, no evidence of thermite was found. Why? Because CD is a delusion of yourself and 911 truth; only true in your minds; not in reality.
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I hate to just butt in here, but when I read this I kind of remember that there were bomb-sniffing dogs at ground zero shortly after the collapse and then some during the recovery. Not to look for evidence of explosives, but to protect recovery and rescue personnel from possible secondary attacks by terrorists. The point being that if there had been any explosives used residue would have been in the rubble and definetly discovered by those dogs. And there wasn't.

Again, sorry to butt in.
 
C7 said:
There is no statement by the FBI or anyone else that they tested for explosives.
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uke2se said:

Typing in bold makes your repeated assertion seem more valid.
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Thank you.

Since you have not and cannot provide any statements that anyone tested for explosives you have, in effect, confirmed that no one tested for explosives.
 
Christopher7 said:
Thank you.

Since you have not and cannot provide any statements that anyone tested for explosives you have, in effect, confirmed that no one tested for explosives.
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The NYPD bomb squad was there with their bomb sniffing dogs. They found nothing.
 
switchpoint said:
I hate to just butt in here, but when I read this I kind of remember that there were bomb-sniffing dogs at ground zero shortly after the collapse and then some during the recovery. Not to look for evidence of explosives, but to protect recovery and rescue personnel from possible secondary attacks by terrorists. The point being that if there had been any explosives used residue would have been in the rubble and definetly discovered by those dogs. And there wasn't.

Again, sorry to butt in.
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The delusion believers have to ignore reality of why the WTC complex was always looking for explosives in the WTC complex due to the 93 attack; which the blast effects killed people; and no people on 911 were killed by blast effects of explosives; here in the eutectic thread which seems to be flypaper for 911 truth delusion blievers.

Your insersion of reality will not stop the tangential excusions by delusion believers into the fantasy of their idiotic conpsracy theories which they can't define.

The FBI was looking for all kinds of evidence, to include possible use of explosives on 911. They failed to find any. This will not stop the delusion seekers from ignoring reality and pressing on with their failed ideas on 911. Bet the FBI asked structural engineers if they think the WTC could collapse from the damage and fires alone. The answer was yes. 911 truth fails, and they have made a profession of absolute failure. 911 truth perfected failure early in their 8 years of pure professional failure; soon to be 9 years of PPF.

C7 has to have a CD delusion about 911; no one knows why? He will ignore the hundreds of witnesses who saw bomb sniffing dogs at ground zero and skeptics forbid he will never check with people at ground zero and ask them what they saw that day; he failed for 8 years, why change?

The funny part of this thread; mention eutectic and the CD delusion pushers come out of hiding to post tangential junk which confirms total lack of evidence to support their 8 years of ideas, failed ideas.
 
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Christopher7 said:
I have read this article too.

No one tested for explosives.
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That is a red herring. If there no visible signs of explosive damage on the steel then why would they test for it? They put aside pieces with strange signs of damage. Why were there so few?
 
BigAl said:
Bomb Squad - A Year Inside the Nation's Most Exclusive Police Unit by Richard Esposito and Ted Gerstein
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"In a particularly disquieting section, the authors detail the squad's role on 9/11, when squad member Claude Richards lost his life."
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Bomb-Squad/Richard-Esposito/e/9781401301521

This review talks about the Bomb Squad preparing to deal with nuclear device.
http://www.amazon.com/Bomb-Squad-Inside-Nations-Exclusive/dp/1401301525

This has nothing to do with examining the debris pile for explosive residue in the weeks and months following 9/11.
 
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Christopher7 said:
"In a particularly disquieting section, the authors detail the squad's role on 9/11, when squad member Claude Richards lost his life."
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Bomb-Squad/Richard-Esposito/e/9781401301521

This review talks about the Bomb Squad preparing to deal with nuclear device.
http://www.amazon.com/Bomb-Squad-Inside-Nations-Exclusive/dp/1401301525

This has nothing to do with examining the debris pile for explosive residue in the weeks and months following 9/11.
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Read much?
 
Christopher7 said:
"In a particularly disquieting section, the authors detail the squad's role on 9/11, when squad member Claude Richards lost his life."
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Bomb-Squad/Richard-Esposito/e/9781401301521

This review talks about the Bomb Squad preparing to deal with nuclear device.
http://www.amazon.com/Bomb-Squad-Inside-Nations-Exclusive/dp/1401301525

This has nothing to do with examining the debris pile for explosive residue in the weeks and months following 9/11.
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I believe BigAl cited the book, not a bookseller's synopsis or review of the book. You're aware that such a synopsis or review of a book does not contain all of the content of the book itself.

Or are you? Just in case: Most books (objects made of layers of paper, whose surfaces are printed with patterns of differentially reflective pigments usually taking the form of linguistic symbols, diagrams, and two-dimensional images) contain some several hundred pages, in most cases primarily text. Bookseller's synopses of books are generally a few paragraphs, and reviews are rarely longer than a page or two. Thus, a straightforward mathematical analysis proves that a typical book contains much more information than a review or synopsis of said book. Basic set theory then can be applied to prove that this means the book must contain information that a synopsis or review does not.

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
Miragememories said:
And here I thought you only wanted to talk about eutectic reactions?

Good, since WTC7 is the real smoking gun of 9/11 anyway.

So back to those big WTC7 fires; how do you reconcile Dr. Greening's disagreement about their intensity with the only theory which you support, that which the NIST presented?

I look forward to your reply beachnut since you've made it abundantly clear that you only traffic in solid evidence.

MM
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Physical Chemisty PhD. Vs Fire Protection Engineer

I'll take the FPE any day.
 
Grizzly Bear said:
It means exactly what it says. You do not understand the report sufficiently for me to take any of the evidence you've been citing to me seriously. The detail you continue claiming "proves" your argument about the NIST is instead one of many details that need to be read. All of which render your data mining moot.
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i understand what anlienentity said about this: "no evidence of exposure to temperatures above 600 °C for any significant time."

data mining? this is an experts opinion:

He notes that steel has bent at several connection points that had joined the floors of the WTC to the vertical columns. He describes the connections as being smoothly warped, saying, “If you remember the Salvador Dali paintings with the clocks that are kind of melted—it’s kind of like that.” He adds, “That could only happen if you get steel yellow hot or white hot—perhaps around 2,000 degrees.” [Chronicle of Higher Education, 12/7/2001

you showed me connection that only reached 1000F. Astaneh-Asl saw steel that had reached twice that temp. its also interesting that the areas that reached 2000 degrees were the connection points!! ohh, didnt nist state the max temp was like 1800. that would be more of an orange-yellow instead of a yellow or white!!

and what wrong with his opinion here:
"For example, valuable information could come from analysis of the blackened steel from the floors engulfed in flame after the airplane collisions. Steel flanges had been reduced from an inch thick to paper thin, Astaneh said."

his expert opinion is that those flanges were in the floors engulfed in flames. these pieces were observed between sept 19-29. it took something serious to make one inch steel flanges be reduced to paper thin dont ya think?
 
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Senenmut said:
i understand what anlienentity said about this: "no evidence of exposure to temperatures above 600 °C for any significant time."

data mining? this is an experts opinion:

He notes that steel has bent at several connection points that had joined the floors of the WTC to the vertical columns. He describes the connections as being smoothly warped, saying, “If you remember the Salvador Dali paintings with the clocks that are kind of melted—it’s kind of like that.” He adds, “That could only happen if you get steel yellow hot or white hot—perhaps around 2,000 degrees.” [Chronicle of Higher Education, 12/7/2001

you showed me connection that only reached 1000F. Astaneh-Asl saw steel that had reached twice that temp. its also interesting that the areas that reached 2000 degrees were the connection points!! ohh, didnt nist state the max temp was like 1800. that would be more of an orange-yellow instead of a yellow or white!!

and what wrong with his opinion here:
"For example, valuable information could come from analysis of the blackened steel from the floors engulfed in flame after the airplane collisions. Steel flanges had been reduced from an inch thick to paper thin, Astaneh said."

his expert opinion is that those flanges were in the floors engulfed in flames. these pieces were observed between sept 19-29. it took something serious to make one inch steel flanges be reduced to paper thin dont ya think?
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So what? The Dr thinks that anyone that claims anything but fire caused the collapse is a kook.

-----Original Message-----
From: Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl [mailto:astaneh@ce.berkeley.edu]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:22 PM
To: Ronald Wieck
Subject: Re: 'Hardfire' Appearance

Dear Ronald: Please also feel free to bring to their attention that they find results of our findings by simply searching Google for "Astaneh WTC". There is a Design Magazine article that is freely accessible on the internet and provides good coverage of my work. It is at:
http://www.designnews.com/article/6471-Did_The_Building_Do_It_.php.

Again, please plead with these conspiracy theorists to stop using my name in any context what so ever regarding conspiracy theories. It causes quite a lot of pain for me to have my work abused in this way. Thank you.

Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl, Ph.D., P.E., Professor
University of California , Berkeley
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Thread is being closed temporarily while a few hundred posts get split to a separate thread.

ETA: The thread is now being reopened.
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Several posts have been moved to AAH. Several hundred have been split to a separate thread, "7WTC - controlled demolition or fire & damage induced collapse?" here. Needless to say, some posts overlap this thread's subject and the "7WTC was a cd" subject, so the excising was at times arbitrary, and there is still a lot of "thread drift" left in this thread, but do try to stay on topic and post on topic in the appropriate thread.
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They never found a site. The FBI sent teams of 300 FBI agents to the WTC site for 3 years, and NYC FDNY and PANY Bomb dogs are the largest in the country. What did Harrit say, 100 TONS of thermite? Bomb dogs train with book paper matches hidden inside luggage. What makes you think that anyone could have snuck 100 TONS of thermite in 10 DUMP TRUCKS past the two largest Bomb Dog squads in the country?
The FBI doesn't just dip a building in a vat, it's NOT little jack horner.
And 100 TONS of thermite doesn't just disappear, or chop itself down into virus sized microsphers without an energy source and a process. SORRY, there fella, it's hardly worth even faking an interest.
 
Merlin5x5 said:
They never found a site. The FBI sent teams of 300 FBI agents to the WTC site for 3 years, and NYC FDNY and PANY Bomb dogs are the largest in the country. What did Harrit say, 100 TONS of thermite?
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Well, actually, Jones and that whackadoodle Harrit tested for residues of conventional explosive residue, although not intentionally. There were no such residue in their chemical analysies of the paint chips.
 
Myriad said:
Or are you? Just in case: Most books (objects made of layers of paper, whose surfaces are printed with patterns of differentially reflective pigments usually taking the form of linguistic symbols, diagrams, and two-dimensional images) contain some several hundred pages, in most cases primarily text. Bookseller's synopses of books are generally a few paragraphs, and reviews are rarely longer than a page or two. Thus, a straightforward mathematical analysis proves that a typical book contains much more information than a review or synopsis of said book. Basic set theory then can be applied to prove that this means the book must contain information that a synopsis or review does not.
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I love how it gets to the point where you have to explain what a book is to a truther :rolleyes::D
 
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