Debunk Alert: Experiment to Test for Eutectic Reaction

[triforcharity]

The person making a claim must provide a source. At very least the specific quotes and page numbers from the article should be posted. EMH's claim is unfounded. Saying "Go look for it" doesn't cut it. Put up or shut up.

No see, here is what YOU don't understand. Some of those articles charge a fee to view them. THat is how the journal gets paid. They charge the reader. Unlike Bentham which charges the publisher, this is how a respectable journal operates.

I have read it in it's entirety. However, I teach at a college, and I have access to it. However, I am not going to put it on an open access point, as that is stealing from the journal.

Now, pony up the $10, and read the paper in it's entirety. If you need help, there are people here that can help you understand it.

Now, go do your research and stop being a typical lazy truther.

 

[Christopher7]

Iron microspheres also come from vehicle brake pads, gas powered yard tools and the cutting of steel girders by rescue/cleanup personnel.

Show sources please.

The background dust in the R.J. Lee study contained about .04% iron spheres. The WTC dust contained 5.87% iron spheres. Samples were taken from inside and on the roof of the Bankers Trust building. The iron spheres are NOT from normal sources of cutting torches.

There weren't any heat sources capable of melting iron and vaporising lead. Sorry.

Iron WAS melted and lead WAS vaporized so there WAS a source.

 

[Quad4_72]

Show sources please.

The background dust in the R.J. Lee study contained about .04% iron spheres. The WTC dust contained 5.87% iron spheres. Samples were taken from inside and on the roof of the Bankers Trust building. The iron spheres are NOT from normal sources of cutting torches.


Iron WAS melted and lead WAS vaporized so there WAS a source.

I am still curious Christopher7, are the people who made the report you are quoting in on it? You say the data is correct but the findings are not. So are you suggesting the government published a report incriminating themselves?

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Show sources please.

It's common knowledge.

The background dust in the R.J. Lee study contained about .04% iron spheres. The WTC dust contained 5.87% iron spheres. Samples were taken from inside and on the roof of the Bankers Trust building. The iron spheres are NOT from normal sources of cutting torches.

No... the abundance of motor vehicle traffic in lower Manhattan and heavy use of torches and saws at the cleanup site is sufficient to explain the metallic microspheres found in the dust.

Iron WAS melted and lead WAS vaporized so there WAS a source.

Yes, as has already been pointed out to you. However, what you have failed (or refused)to show is evidence that is unique to what you believe occurred or cannot be accounted for in the "official" version of that days events.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Now, pony up the $10, and read the paper in it's entirety.

He won't because he doesn't care.

 

[triforcharity]

He won't because he doesn't care.

Or maybe because he is out of his league, as he is on most things that he tries to argue.

I never did find out what his qualifications were to tell the R.J. Lee group they were wrong......

 

[leftysergeant]

No so. Post your explanation for fires hot enough to melt iron/steel [2800^o-2750^oF]...

Why do we need toexplain it? It didn't happen. No scientist is saying that it did. The Swiss cheese steel was not thermally melted. It was attacked by acid.

...and vaporize lead [3182^oF].

Lead vaporizes when a lead-acid battery sparks. I don't even see lead as a significant part of the dust samples. Pointless to include that lame assertion in an otherwise struggling argument.

 

[leftysergeant]

Show sources please.

The background dust in the R.J. Lee study contained about .04% iron spheres. The WTC dust contained 5.87% iron spheres. Samples were taken from inside and on the roof of the Bankers Trust building. The iron spheres are NOT from normal sources of cutting torches.

Of course it wasn't all from cutting torches. It was from WELDING torches. Tons of steel was melted by welding torches to build the towers. This produces iron sphereules like those found in the dust samples. They do not normally become a part of the background dust because massive amounts of this dust cling to the steel structures and never again move until the whole thing comes down.

Iron WAS melted and lead WAS vaporized so there WAS a source.

Prove it. Where was the fire that hot?

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

I am still curious Christopher7, are the people who made the report you are quoting in on it? You say the data is correct but the findings are not. So are you suggesting the government published a report incriminating themselves?

I have a belief that conspiracy theorists need the alleged perpetrators to be more stupid than the conspiracy theorists themselves; otherwise, the conspiracy theorists would never be able to figure anything out.

Obviously, considering how stupid conspiracy theorists are in general, you get a comically retarded villain.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Prove it. Where was the fire that hot?

Nowhere.

Large amounts of molten (or once molten) steel or iron would have been found if there was.

 

[Christopher7]

Iron microspheres also come from vehicle brake pads, gas powered yard tools and the cutting of steel girders by rescue/cleanup personnel.

Show sources please.

It's common knowledge.

No it isn't. Show your source or stop making that claim.

No... the abundance of motor vehicle traffic in lower Manhattan and heavy use of torches and saws at the cleanup site is sufficient to explain the metallic microspheres found in the dust.

You are making stuff up. Provide a source or stop making that claim.

The R.J. Lee report showed that the normal background dust contained .04% iron spheres. The samples from the roof and interior of the Bankers Trust had 5.87% iron spheres. The dust was from the dust clouds from WTC 1 and 2 that enveloped lower Manhattan on 9/11. There is no proof that cutting torches create an abundance of microspheres nor is has anyone shown a mechanism for them [if they exist] to be in the interior or the roof of the Bankers Trust building. It's pure speculation.

Iron WAS melted and lead WAS vaporized so there WAS a source.

Yes, as has already been pointed out to you. However, what you have failed (or refused)to show is evidence that is unique to what you believe occurred or cannot be accounted for in the "official" version of that days events.

I am only establishing that there is proof of temperatures far in excess of what can occur in office or debris pile fires.

 

[Christopher7]

I have a belief that conspiracy theorists need the alleged perpetrators to be more stupid than the conspiracy theorists themselves; otherwise, the conspiracy theorists would never be able to figure anything out.

Obviously, considering how stupid conspiracy theorists are in general, you get a comically retarded villain.

If you believe OBL and 19 crazy guys did it, then you are a stupid conspiracy theorist.

 

[Christopher7]

Of course it wasn't all from cutting torches. It was from WELDING torches. Tons of steel was melted by welding torches to build the towers.

Tons? Source?

This produces iron sphereules like those found in the dust samples.

Source?

They do not normally become a part of the background dust because massive amounts of this dust cling to the steel structures and never again move until the whole thing comes down.

Massive amounts? <;-) Source?

You are making stuff up in a desperate attempt to discount the extremely elevated amount of iron microspheres found it the WTC dust. Normal is .04% and the WTC dust averages 5.87%.

Iron WAS melted and lead WAS vaporized so there WAS a source.

Prove it. Where was the fire that hot?

The "fire" was not that hot. Something other than the fire melted the iron and vaporized the lead.

 

[Christopher7]

Post your explanation for fires hot enough to melt iron/steel [2800o-2750oF]

Why do we need toexplain it? It didn't happen. No scientist is saying that it did.

Acyually, the USGS and the R.J. Lee Group confirm the existence of these temperatures.
What part of DURING don't you understand?
"[FONT=&quot]Various metals (most notably iron and lead) were melted during the WTC [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Event, producing spherical metallic particles.[/FONT]

The Swiss cheese steel was not thermally melted. It was attacked by acid.

Source?

Lead vaporizes when a lead-acid battery sparks. I don't even see lead as a significant part of the dust samples.

Pg 3
50,000 personal computers were destroyed, with each containing approximately 4 pounds of lead.

Pg 7
Analyte - Units - WTC - Background
. . . . . . . . . . . .- Dust - Building dust
Lead - (ug/ft²) - 424 - 0.325

 

[Reactor drone]

Originally Posted by leftysergeant
Of course it wasn't all from cutting torches. It was from WELDING torches. Tons of steel was melted by welding torches to build the towers.

Tons? Source?

Here for example,


NCSTAR 1-3 chapter 4.2.5 page 24 (72 of the pdf)

Higher strength SMA electrodes (ASTM A 316 until 1969, then AWS A 5.5-69) were also permitted by the contract. More than 48,000 lb (22,000 kg) of electrodes were used in each of the towers (welding design 1970b).

 

[Christopher7]

Here for example,
NCSTAR 1-3 chapter 4.2.5 page 24 (72 of the pdf)

I have done some arc welding. The electrodes create splatter but do they create iron microspheres? If so, how much?
I doubt this question has ever been asked until now and therefore there is NO scientific data to support this speculation.

 

[DGM]

I have done some arc welding. The electrodes create splatter but do they create iron microspheres? If so, how much?
I doubt this question has ever been asked until now and therefore there is NO scientific data to support this speculation.

Source? Back-up that statement or retract.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

No it isn't. Show your source or stop making that claim.

You are making stuff up. Provide a source or stop making that claim.

It is common knowledge, I'm afraid. Anything that involves metal grinding ion metal or the melting of metal will produce particles of varying sizes including microscopic.

It's a no-brainer (which would explain why you have a hard time understanding it).

The R.J. Lee report showed that the normal background dust contained .04% iron spheres.

So metallic microspheres do have normal sources? Can I quote you on that? I have a moron asking for a source for something that should be obvious.

There is no proof that cutting torches create an abundance of microspheres

The the hot glowing thingy on the end of a welding torch (called a "flame") cuts metal, or joins it together by melting it.

I suppose you want a source for that?

nor is has anyone shown a mechanism for them [if they exist] to be in the interior or the roof of the Bankers Trust building. It's pure speculation.

So it's ok for you but not for us?

Why are all truthers such giant flaming hypocrites?

I am only establishing that there is proof of temperatures far in excess of what can occur in office or debris pile fires.

No... you aren't.

Not even close.

Everything you have pointed out is readily explainable by means other than 10,000 republican ninjews with magic thermite demo packs rushing into burning buildings.

I told you before you need to come up with something that is either unique to your preferred scenario or that cannot be explained under the reality-based version of 9/11.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Acyually, the USGS and the R.J. Lee Group confirm the existence of these temperatures.
What part of DURING don't you understand?
"[FONT=&quot]Various metals (most notably iron and lead) were melted during the WTC [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Event, producing spherical metallic particles.[/FONT]

If those temperatures existed in the twin towers or the debris pile, large amounts of molten iron or steel would have been found.

But there wasn't any.

Too bad, so sad, go directly to jail, do not pass "GO", do not collect 200$, buh-bye.

 

[DGM]

Chris7:
Based on how many microspheres were found how much thermite was used? An educated guess will do.