Debunk Alert: Experiment to Test for Eutectic Reaction

[The Big Dog]

No need to out yourself on an internet forum.

Why not, Red. You did. You outed yourself as a pathetic liar, who has been busted time after time after time on this website.

Aren't you embarrassed that a one word response "Source?" destroyed you in this thread?

"oh, I misread a one word post."

How ridiculous. Marvelous!

 

[Grizzly Bear]

lol! RedIbis accidentally made a claim!

I wonder if he will accidentally posts a source :O

 

[Oystein]

Maybe Cole was referring to Sunder, who said, scientists "identified thermal expansion as a new phenomenon that can cause structural collapse."

Are you calling Sunder's similar comment, "extraordinarily ignorant"?

I marked the important word for you.

You are evadinng Dave's question, which was: Do you agree that the claim in the video, that thermal expansion in a building fire is a new phenomenon, is plain WRONG?

There is not much sense in discussing all the things that authors of a youtube video "maybe" had in mind. What matters is what they say outright. Because that video is seen by many folks without our background knowledge. To THEM, something entirely false has been said, and you canÄt duscuss that away. "Maybe" they were "merely" sloppy, but just as "maybe" they were deliberately misrepresenting Sunder's opinion (read: lying).


Moving goal posts much, by the way, from discussing the video to discussing Sunder.

 

[Quad4_72]

Anything to avoid the point. ;-)

The data is accurate. It's the analysis and conclusions that are flawed. The failure to explain the melted beam or the molten iron/steel is malfeasance.

So are they in on it? If they are, why would they publish data that is evidence of thermite?

 

[Christopher7]

How about you first show us therm*te that can burn for weeks.

To avoid what we do know you ask for something you know does not exist.

There is no other explanation for the melted beam and the microscopic iron spheres.

 

[DGM]

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There is no other explanation for the melted beam and the microscopic iron spheres.

Yes there is, and it's been posted in this thread. The fact you don't want to acknowledge it is not our problem.

 

[Christopher7]

He provided you with the links above. Beyond that, stop being so lazy and go through the article itself if you doubt he is being honest.

TAM

The links just show an intro page. There is nothing about temperatures or the corrosion precluding thermite. That is just conjecture by ElMondoHummus.

 

[DGM]

The links just show an intro page. There is nothing about temperatures or the corrosion precluding thermite. That is just conjecture by ElMondoHummus.

The "intro page" has the link to the journal articles. If you don't subscribe you'll have to pay for it or (gasp) visit your local university and ask to view it there.

 

[Christopher7]

There is no other explanation for the melted beam and the microscopic iron spheres.

Yes there is, and it's been posted in this thread.

No so. Post your explanation for fires hot enough to melt iron/steel [2800^o-2750^oF] and vaporize lead [3182^oF].

 

[Christopher7]

The "intro page" has the link to the journal articles. If you don't subscribe you'll have to pay for it or (gasp) visit your local university and ask to view it there.

The person making a claim must provide a source. At very least the specific quotes and page numbers from the article should be posted. EMH's claim is unfounded. Saying "Go look for it" doesn't cut it. Put up or shut up.

 

[DGM]

No so. Post your explanation for fires hot enough to melt iron/steel [2800^o-2750^oF] and vaporize lead [3182^oF].

Been there, done that! It's 2010. This is old news

 

[Christopher7]

Been there, done that! It's 2010. This is old news

You have nothing so you just claim the information exists.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Post your explanation for fires hot enough to melt iron/steel [2800^o-2750^oF] and vaporize lead [3182^oF].

There weren't any.

 

[Christopher7]

There weren't any.

[FONT=&quot]R J Lee - spheres - high temp[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]http://www.nyenvirolaw.org/WTC/130%20Liberty%20Street/Mike%20Davis%20LMDC%20130%20Liberty%20Documents/Signature%20of%20WTC%20dust/WTC%20Dust%20Signature.Composition%20and%20Morphology.Final.pdf[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Pg 17 [pdf pg 21][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Various metals (most notably iron and lead) were melted during the WTC[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Event, producing spherical metallic particles. Exposure of phases to high[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]heat results in the formation of spherical particles due to surface tension.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Figure 21 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]and Figure 22 show a spherical iron particle resulting from the[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]melting of iron (or steel)[/FONT][FONT=&quot].[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Pg 21 [pdf pg 25][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Many of the materials, such as lead, cadmium, mercury and various organic compounds,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Vaporized[/FONT][FONT=&quot] and then condensed during the WTC Event.
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Lead Melting point - 622[/FONT]^o[FONT=&quot]F [328[/FONT]^o[FONT=&quot]C][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Boiling point - Vaporization 3182[/FONT]^o[FONT=&quot]F [1,750[/FONT]^o[FONT=&quot]C][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/melting-boiling-temperatures-d_392.html[/FONT]

 

[Carlos]

Where is the proof thermite can demolish a building?

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

[FONT=&quot]R J Lee - spheres - high temp[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]http://www.nyenvirolaw.org/WTC/130%20Liberty%20Street/Mike%20Davis%20LMDC%20130%20Liberty%20Documents/Signature%20of%20WTC%20dust/WTC%20Dust%20Signature.Composition%20and%20Morphology.Final.pdf[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Pg 17 [pdf pg 21][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Various metals (most notably iron and lead) were melted during the WTC[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Event, producing spherical metallic particles. Exposure of phases to high[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]heat results in the formation of spherical particles due to surface tension.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Figure 21 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]and Figure 22 show a spherical iron particle resulting from the[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]melting of iron (or steel)[/FONT][FONT=&quot].[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Pg 21 [pdf pg 25][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Many of the materials, such as lead, cadmium, mercury and various organic compounds,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Vaporized[/FONT][FONT=&quot] and then condensed during the WTC Event.
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Lead Melting point - 622[/FONT]^o[FONT=&quot]F [328[/FONT]^o[FONT=&quot]C][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Boiling point - Vaporization 3182[/FONT]^o[FONT=&quot]F [1,750[/FONT]^o[FONT=&quot]C][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/melting-boiling-temperatures-d_392.html[/FONT]

Iron microspheres also come from vehicle brake pads, gas powered yard tools and the cutting of steel girders by rescue/cleanup personnel.

There weren't any heat sources capable of melting iron and vaporising lead. Sorry.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

if you say it enough it will become true!

The problem is that it is already true... to him.

 

[T.A.M.]

The person making a claim must provide a source. At very least the specific quotes and page numbers from the article should be posted. EMH's claim is unfounded. Saying "Go look for it" doesn't cut it. Put up or shut up.

He provided what was needed. He is not required to provide you an illegal copy of a paper that requires membership and/or fee to view. That is up to you, if you wish to verify his source...sorry. The paper is there...if you doubt the validity of his quotes, then check the paper yourself...the fee is your responsibility.

TAM

 

[Reactor drone]

[FONT=&quot]R J Lee - spheres - high temp[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]http://www.nyenvirolaw.org/WTC/130%20Liberty%20Street/Mike%20Davis%20LMDC%20130%20Liberty%20Documents/Signature%20of%20WTC%20dust/WTC%20Dust%20Signature.Composition%20and%20Morphology.Final.pdf[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Pg 17 [pdf pg 21][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Various metals (most notably iron and lead) were melted during the WTC[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Event, producing spherical metallic particles. Exposure of phases to high[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]heat results in the formation of spherical particles due to surface tension.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Figure 21 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]and Figure 22 show a spherical iron particle resulting from the[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]melting of iron (or steel)[/FONT][FONT=&quot].[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Pg 21 [pdf pg 25][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Many of the materials, such as lead, cadmium, mercury and various organic compounds,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Vaporized[/FONT][FONT=&quot] and then condensed during the WTC Event.
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Lead Melting point - 622[/FONT]^o[FONT=&quot]F [328[/FONT]^o[FONT=&quot]C][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Boiling point - Vaporization 3182[/FONT]^o[FONT=&quot]F [1,750[/FONT]^o[FONT=&quot]C][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/melting-boiling-temperatures-d_392.html[/FONT]

Are you absolutely certain that lead can only form vapours above when it's above its boiling point? Water, for instance, vapourises from the surface of a body of water at consideraby less than its boiling point and I'm pretty sure you'll get fuming and vapourisation from molten lead in a similar way.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

He provided what was needed. He is not required to provide you an illegal copy of a paper that requires membership and/or fee to view. That is up to you, if you wish to verify his source...sorry. The paper is there...if you doubt the validity of his quotes, then check the paper yourself...the fee is your responsibility.

TAM

Christopher7 won't register with the site or pay the fee because he doesn't care about what happened to the victims of 9/11.