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Dean Clifford Discussion Thread

Dean's also getting a bug up his behind about a cop who he says, in the long version of his audio, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nbBVQ1_C1I&feature=c4-overview&list=UUxqjiqHIenA7st14duL19Sg verbally abused and manhandled him at his hearing.

Despite having described the alleged incident as shoving and threats to shut him up, Dean, the master of hyperbole, makes the matter out to be attempted murder and calls upon the Deanites to start an official compliant campaign against the officer.

Not having any idea if the incident happened, or unfolded as Dean claims, one has to note that here Dean once again plays the victim.

I suppose it is possible that after giving cop after cop loud, haunty lectures and calling them stupid Dean finally ran across an officer who didn't want any lip from the Mouthy Mouse.

He says, being arrested is fun stuff? How did he get this audio out?
So, he was in for a minimum of 21 days, at least that's how long it took to get his brother's number approved so he could call him. He finally says he's at day #38.

He's not all there. He seems to think he's in a suite in the Caribbean, not jail, just what does he think he's entitled to in jail? I'm surprised he's not asking for a laptop, lapdance and a wireless connection in his suite.

That youtube of a still shot with his commentary is compelling stuff...
I like how he peppers his commentary with numerous facts like a four vehicle convoy and so on. This is what liars do, they think if they have a flurry of words and stats, it makes him sound truthful. He thinks he's bringing the system down, he needs a mental evaluation and I'm not joking, I'm not a Doctor either.
 
It's sad when a freeman loses his free. Some birds are not meant to be caged.*










*Those birds are meant to be plucked, roasted, and served for dinner.
 
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These birds enjoy all of the conveniences and protections of the cage, but complain when the cat doesn't give them a free meal when they go outside
 
. . .How did he get this audio out? . . . .He's not all there. He seems to think he's in a suite in the Caribbean, not jail. . . he peppers his commentary with numerous facts like a four vehicle convoy and so on. This is what liars do, they think if they have a flurry of words and stats, it makes him sound truthful. . . .he needs a mental evaluation and I'm not joking, I'm not a Doctor either.

The call seems to have been an allowed call from jail recorded by Dean's brother, Darren.

There's a whole raft of stories the poor boy can't keep straight. Here's just a few:

So far Dean or his crew have claimed he has been tortured in jail and had a courtroom officer attempt to kill him.

Despite having recounted conversations with the judge at his court hearing Dean claims he has not been allowed to speak in court.

He says the firearms he left unsecured in his closet at home don't count as firearms because they are old.

He needs one of his crew to be put in charge of checking his stories.
 
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Doesn't look like much has changed other than the the very last paragraph.

Yes, Cliffy has a real thing about that cop. From his news site:

"The officer with badge number 1796 with the WINNIPEG POLICE SERVICE could possibly be looking at some charges laid upon him, where it has been stated he has inflicted violence resulting in assault and even attempted murder. Now that Dean has spoken of this incident, it is on the public record.

So Who is the officer with badge# 1796 who assaulted Dean while hand cuffed behind his back and threaten to bash his head into the cement floor? This is deemed to be attempted murder and the officer should be charged accordingly."
 
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Yes, Cliffy has a real thing about that cop. From his news site:

"The officer with badge number 1796 with the WINNIPEG POLICE SERVICE could possibly be looking at some charges laid upon him, where it has been stated he has inflicted violence resulting in assault and even attempted murder. Now that Dean has spoken of this incident, it is on the public record.

So Who is the officer with badge# 1796 who assaulted Dean while hand cuffed behind his back and threaten to bash his head into the cement floor? This is deemed to be attempted murder and the officer should be charged accordingly."
Wait, so accepting their claim on face value - an officer "threatened to bash his head against the cement floor" and that is attempted murder?

Words = attempted murder?

Seriously? :jaw-dropp
 
Wait, so accepting their claim on face value - an officer "threatened to bash his head against the cement floor" and that is attempted murder?

Words = attempted murder?

Seriously? :jaw-dropp

"This is deemed to be attempted murder"

Dean ain't got the authority to "deem" nothing!

Attempted murder is a crime in which one tries to kill.

A strict definition is when one engages in an activity clearly intended to kill the victim, like firing a gun or giving out a bad beating, but was interrupted or otherwise unable to kill.

if Mr. Hyperbole's own version of the facts are correct the worst the cop could be charged with is assault, that is, threatening bodily harm and having the ability to cause such harm.

Considering Clifford's propensity for stretching the truth it's more likely he mouthed off to a court officer who lost his patience and gave him a shaking and good cussing out.
 
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Doesn't look like much has changed other than the the very last paragraph.

As an aside, it is slightly amusing that the freeple are advised to write to the federal Minister of Justice. Under the division of powers in the Canadian constitution, provincial governments have exclusive jurisdiction over the administration of justice in the province (s. 92(14)). Criminal law is federal, but criminal justice is provincial.

Silly freeman legal "experts."



Aha! So you admit that the province is charging him under a "law" that the provincial legislature didn't even write!

:D
 
Dean has a new 40 minute update:
http://deanclifford.info/2014/01/02/update-brandon-correctional-centre/

Most of the audio is an oft repeated rehash of his theories, dismissal of the authorities as stupid and self delusional predictions of success spouted to his admiring brother, Darren. It seems Dean is appealing to the U.N. and Queen Elizabeth.

Dean thinks he is going to get out of jail real soon and reap vengeance on the courts and the cops. Of course a few minutes later he says there is no way he is going to allowed to get justice and that it'll take months get out.

I think the boy needs get out more.

Obscure freeman theories of law aside Dean's seminar attendees need to ask simple, unvarnished questions as to why he wasn't straight with them about his financial and legal troubles.

Did Dean ever tell his $150 a pop supplicants that he was having his property sold off as a result of his tax delinquency?

Did he tell the seminars attendees that he had gotten out of jail, not because of his self-proclaimed legal brilliance, but simply because he accepted the bail agreement?

Did he tell the attendees that they can be like him and lose everything they have and get jailed by following his simple instructions?
 
Dean has a new 40 minute update:
http://deanclifford.info/2014/01/02/update-brandon-correctional-centre/

Most of the audio is an oft repeated rehash of his theories, dismissal of the authorities as stupid and self delusional predictions of success spouted to his admiring brother, Darren. It seems Dean is appealing to the U.N. and Queen Elizabeth.

Ugh. Couldn't make it all the way through. Oh, the injustice. I guess I'll just have to wait for the UN Peacekeeper force to arrive. It's like Rwanda all over again.

Of note is at around 9:40 when Clifford recounts how a Judge told him that what he (Clifford) says has no basis in Canadian law and can be ignored.

No ****. I wonder if this light will ever go off among the freeple. At some point even the dimmest of them must begin to doubt if Clifford's vaunted expertise in law is the real deal. Or maybe I'm just an optimist at heart.
 
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I note that Clifford refers multiple times to his s. 32/s. 52 Charter argument in this latest update (as referenced here and here). The courts in BC have had the chance to consider this argument previously, including the exact citations to other Charter jurisprudence (Dell and Big M Drug Mart) that Clifford teaches and uses himself. This is the result, with juicy bits highlighted:


R. v. Petrie said:
[68]...As I will explain shortly, the applicant's argument is fatally undercut by a fundamental misapprehension of s. 32 of the Charter on his part. ...

[70] From what I have been able to deduce from the applicant's argument, I gather he argues that because s. 32 of the Charter, as he interprets the jurisprudence, establishes that the Charter and the Constitution only applies to government action, the Charter and the Constitution consequently do not apply to him, because he is a private citizen.

[71] The applicant asks somewhat rhetorically what evidence there was that he performs a government function and appears to assert that as the name Scott Douglas Petrie is presumed to be a government agent, the charges to not apply to the applicant.

[72] This portion of the applicant's argument appears to hinge on a fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of s. 32 of the Charter and the case law that has distinguished between acts of private citizens and acts of state actors such as police or government agents.
[73] The applicant appears to suggest the following on his reading of s. 32 of the Charter:

(a) that the Constitution, and by extension the laws of Canada, only applies to government agents, and therefore not to private citizens;

(b) that as he is a private citizen and the name Scott Douglas Petrie in the Indictment is a government agent, the charges have nothing to do with the applicant and ought to be dismissed.

[74] Much like Mr. Klundert's argument before the Ontario Court of Appeal, the applicant's argument on this point and his reliance on a snippet of a passage from the Alberta Court of Appeal decision in Dell is convoluted to the point of being incomprehensible. The decision in Dell is of no assistance to the applicant in this case.
[75] Section 32 of the Charter and the jurisprudence interpreting this section makes it clear that the Charter applies to all actions undertaken by state authorities and government agents when they interact with private citizens, meaning that private citizens who have an interaction with a government actor benefit from the rights afforded to them by the Charter during that interaction and have recourse to the courts if they believe that the government actor, and by extension the government, has breached one or more of their Charter rights. To give a concrete example: state conduct, i.e. government action, such as police investigating and arresting a private citizen must conform with Charter values and respect the Charter rights of the private citizen. Thus an individual private citizen, when investigated by the police, has the right to be secure from an unreasonable search and seizure by virtue of s. 8 of the Charter and has the right to retain counsel upon arrest or detention by virtue of s. 10(b) of the Charter.

[76] The jurisprudence interpreting s. 32 of the Charter also establishes that the Charter does not apply or govern activities between private citizens or between private citizens and corporations. Thus, where a legal dispute arises between private citizens, for example, in a divorce proceeding or interpreting the terms of a contract, the parties cannot invoke their respective Charter rights against one another.

[77] The applicant appears to believe that because he is a private citizen, the Constitution and the Charter do not apply to him. He appears to base his argument on the following excerpt from Dell, at para. 6:

[6] Although s. 32 of the Charter limits its application to Parliament, legislatures and provincial and federal governments, when the Charter was first introduced there was some debate about its application. Since that time, the law has been settled that, as a general rule, the Charter only applies to government actions, not interactions between private citizens or institutions: [citations omitted].

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[79] With respect, the applicant appears to be endeavouring to turn the jurisprudence pertaining to s. 32 of the Charter on its head. If he is arguing that because he is a private citizen the Constitution, and by extension the laws of this country, only apply to government actions and agents, he is mistaken. He, too, is subject to the laws of Canada, including the CDSA. He cannot pick and choose what laws apply to him, nor can he engage in what Myers J. characterized in Porisky at para. 67 as "legal numerology" by picking and choosing extracts from statutes and cases and weaving them together in an attempt to create logical links where none exist.
[80] Section 32 of the Charter mandates that the Charter applies to government actions such as the RCMP's investigation and arrest of the applicant in this case, which means that the applicant's Charter rights are to be observed and protected in the carrying out of such actions. The Charter does not, however, govern interactions between private citizens. Moreover, s. 32 of the Charter does not stand for the notion that as a private citizen the Constitution and the laws of Canada do not apply to the applicant and his actions.
[81] If the applicant is trying to assert the Court has no jurisdiction over him to try the offences because, by virtue of s. 32 of the Charter, the Constitution and the laws under which he is charged only applies to government agents, and he is not a government agent, he has fundamentally misconceived what s. 32 of the Charter means and what the jurisprudence has interpreted its purpose to be.
[82] If the applicant is trying to advance the argument that the laws under which he is charged do not apply to him because he is not a government agent, again he is mistaken.
[83] If the applicant is suggesting the Court has no jurisdiction over him to try the offences because he is a private citizen and thus outside of the Court’s jurisdiction, then, as Mr. Justice Hollinrake noted in R. v. Warman, 2001 BCCA 510 (CanLII), 2001 BCCA 510 at para. 13 [Warman], his argument would be "a complete denial of the constitutional history of this country as it applies to the rights and obligations of its people before the law." Arguments of this kind must be and are "rejected as being without any legal, historical or constitutional foundation whatsoever": Warman, at para. 14.

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[85] The applicant acknowledges that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land in that s. 52(1) of the Constitution Act provides as follows:

52. (1) The Constitution of Canada is the supreme law of Canada, and any law that is inconsistent with the provisions of the Constitution is, to the extent of the inconsistency, of no force or effect.

[86] Section 52(1) of the Constitution Act is usually invoked when the constitutional validity of the legislation governing the matter before the Court is challenged, such as legislation charging a person or a corporation with a criminal or regulatory offence. Indeed, that was what the decision in Big M Drug Mart was about; the constitutional validity of the prohibition on Sunday shopping in the Province of Ontario. In that case, the corporate accused was charged with unlawfully carrying on the sale of goods on a Sunday contrary to the Lord's Day Act and challenged the constitutionality of the law as infringing the right to freedom of conscience and religion guaranteed under the Charter.

[87] The applicant refers to paras. 38 and 39 of Big M Drug Mart in his written application but does not assert or provide any formal notice that he is challenging the constitutional validity of the provisions of the CDSA under which he is charged, let alone on what basis any challenge is founded. The applicant did not articulate in any fashion, either in his written notice or in his oral submissions at the hearing of this application, what he was suggesting was constitutionally invalid in respect of the current charges before the Court.
[88] Accordingly, I fail to see what relevance s. 52 of the Constitution Act and the decision in Big M Drug Mart has to this application. In the absence of some specific, formal and proper application on this point, there is nothing to be adjudicated.
http://canlii.ca/t/fxn33

Clearly a corrupt judge. Somebody alert the UN.
 
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http://deanclifford.info/2014/01/02/update-brandon-correctional-centre/

Yet another blustering video. Mostly more of the same. Highlights include Deano not signing and therefore not receiving the disclosure package for his trial because it was a trap to get him to admit that he was the accused. Shades of Robert "I am not the Respondent" Menard.

Also some lies for the gullible about his brother's recent court adventures. According to the Cliffords, Darren was acquitted of everything. According to reality, he was convicted on one charge, others were dropped - no acquittals.

"A Priddis man’s claims that he is free from following Canada’s laws fell flat in provincial court Wednesday.

Darren Murray Clifford, 40, was found guilty of resisting arrest following a tussle with a Turner Valley Mountie who Tasered him near Millarville last year during a traffic stop for outstanding arrest warrants.

As for evidence that Clifford slapped the arresting officer’s hand away from him, charges of assaulting a police officer were dropped.
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http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/c...+arrest+after+traffic+stop/9191976/story.html

Oh, and the Mountie in question is going to pay as soon as Dean gets out, of course.
 
I note that Clifford refers multiple times to his s. 32/s. 52 Charter argument in this latest update (as referenced here and here). The courts in BC have had the chance to consider this argument previously, including the exact citations to other Charter jurisprudence (Dell and Big M Drug Mart) that Clifford teaches and uses himself. This is the result, with juicy bits highlighted:




Clearly a corrupt judge. Somebody alert the UN.

I love that label, "legal numerology".:D
 
http://deanclifford.info/2014/01/02/update-brandon-correctional-centre/

Yet another blustering video. Mostly more of the same. Highlights include Deano not signing and therefore not receiving the disclosure package for his trial because it was a trap to get him to admit that he was the accused. Shades of Robert "I am not the Respondent" Menard.

On the earlier tape (number 2) Dean apes Andres Pirelli and claims his car is part of his sovereign territory which the cops violated during his arrest.
 
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The Crown recommended Clifford be ordered to undergo counselling for "life management skills" as part of probation.

“He seems to be starting to develop a bit of a pattern of disrespect to the court,” Faught said.

But the judge said he didn’t agree with imposing anything to retrain the accused’s political beliefs.

“I feel like I’m being profiled,” Clifford said.

“There’s no evidence about my being associated with this Freeman thing.”
 
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Court heard that on June 17, 2012, now-retired Turner Valley RCMP Const. Tom Christie spotted Clifford behind the wheel of a Hummer near Millarville.

A Hummer? How did Darren Clifford ever manage to get his hands on a Hummer? :confused:
 

The videos provide an insight into the self-delusion of a couple of brothers who have wrongly convinced themselves they are law giving pillars of society.

There is hardly a point of fact or law regarding their cases these two haven't twisted to excuse their irresponsible and ignorant actions.

I don't have any real problem with Dean deciding to kid himself about his place in society. But when he, to the detriment of others, foolishly, incorrectly and sometimes purposefully misrepresents the facts, the nature of law and his knowledge of it I have to tell it like it is.

Dean's wrong!

Whether he's lying, badly misinformed, or suffering from some sort of mental denial remains to be seen.
 

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