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CrossFit is a stupid and dangerous cult

Joey McGee

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Unbelievably, it took another 24 hours for her professional sense to break through the grip of the CrossFit culture, and seek medical attention. She was diagnosed with acute rhabdomyolysis, and ended up in the hospital for over a week. While in the emergency department they tested her creatinine kinase (CPK) levels. Normal is about 100. Her CPK levels were more than 45,000, a number that indicated damage to the kidneys.

While in the hospital, she called to cancel her CrossFit membership. As is standard when something is cancelled, the CrossFit coach asked the reason for her decision. She replied, “I’m in the hospital.” The instructor quickly asked, “Is it rhabdo?

And here we have arrived at CrossFit’s dirty little secret. The coach was unusually familiar with what is normally a very rarely seen disorder. It’s so rare that one study reported the overall annual incidence of rhabdomyolysis to be 0.06%. That represents single digits of cases out of hundreds of thousands of patients. How, I wondered, is it possible that the layperson exercise instructor is on a first-name basis with a serious, yet rare medical condition? Is this a thing with CrossFit? It turns out it is.
Oh dear! How about this one...
“Ladies, in my professional opinion, it is okay to pee during double unders.”

No, peeing during a workout is not alright. Ever.

To underline the point, MoveForwardPT.com, the official consumer information website of the American Physical Therapy Association (APTA), hosted an online radio show specifically responding to CrossFit’s irresponsible glorification of stress induced urinary incontinence.

https://medium.com/health-fitness-1/97bcce70356d

I first came across this stupid group when I was reading about the Navy SEALs, their head physical training guy Mike Caviston drove the entire community nuts by criticizing them... See they think they are the hardest guys on the planet.

I'm seeing it promoted more and more, on facebook, in the paper, new gyms opening up in small towns. I thought it would be a good idea to start a thread on how dumb they can be...

Makimba Mimms, who suffered injuries while performing a CrossFit workout on December 11, 2005, at Manassas World Gym in Manassas, VA under the supervision of an uncertified trainer,[38] claimed that CrossFit poses an elevated risk of rhabdomyolysis. He successfully sued his trainers and was awarded $300,000 in damages.[39]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CrossFit#Criticism

This was kinda funny too...

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-lot-to-tell-us-about-late-western-capitalism
 
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Wow. There is a Crossfit ("To the Bone") gym that opened up less than a quarter mile from my house about a year ago. Had no idea about this.
 
"Peeing blood"* is a sign that you have worked so hard that you are KILLING muscles, not building them. Stupid stupid stupid. Though it does mean you are burn enough calories to starve muscle cells to death,. Dumb on ya, you are wasting muscles instead of burning fat.

Be on the lookout for coca-cola colored urine that settles into a layer in the bottom of the toilet. Myoglobin is a protein, and heavier than water. Blood mixes in.

* Rhabdo is not really blood, it's myoglobin, a muscle constituent that the liver re-cycles in usual quantities. But too much work, and the liver can't handle the flow. So the kidneys pass it out. But too much can clog the tubules with the gummy myoglobin. I never wrecked my kidneys, but have passed 'bee's wing casts' after 'peeing blood'. Pretty close to ruin I guess.
 
I'm subject to rhabdo due to a myopathy. But I managed to work off 60 pounds in three months a couple years ago, ten pounds per week some weeks. And never any myoglobinuria during that ecapade.

You just don't have to get that intense to lose weight and trim it up.
 
I first came across this stupid group when I was reading about the Navy SEALs, their head physical training guy Mike Caviston drove the entire community nuts by criticizing them... See they think they are the hardest guys on the planet.
If not, they're easily on the short list. This is news?

Re. CrossFit, I've never heard of them, but this sounds more like stupid people being stupid an an extremeist case of an idiot trainer than some full-fledged problem with them...and "stupid and dangerous cult" sounds rather ridiculous, frankly. It's not like they're run by Davy Koresh.
 
I'm not a huge fan of Crossfit, but this is extremely rare and can happen with any type of intense physical activity. Like any physical activity, some risk is involved, especially if a person is too stupid to listen to his or her body's own warning signals.
Crossfit is here to stay and I know many people who have benefitted from it. Like I said, I'm not a huge fan and it's not how I prefer to get my exercise, but that doesn't mean it's worthless.

The people in Crossfit who get this condition have mainly been those who are in very good physical condition but are just starting with Crossfit and are therefore capable of pushing themselves to extremes that they are unaccustomed to, whereas the average new Crossfit gymgoer cannot push themselves to that extent.

It's not a "stupid and dangerous cult." Any organization can attract people who behave in a cultish manner toward it, but that doesn't make it a cult. If I'm not mistaken, it's a franchise, so as with any franchise you will encounter locations of varying quality. You can find plenty of regular gyms full of diehard "no guts no glory" types.

Anyways, Crossfit acknowledges this risk and warns against it.
 
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If not, they're easily on the short list. This is news?

Re. CrossFit, I've never heard of them, but this sounds more like stupid people being stupid an an extremeist case of an idiot trainer than some full-fledged problem with them...and "stupid and dangerous cult" sounds rather ridiculous, frankly. It's not like they're run by Davy Koresh.
The word "cult" causes a lot of problems when discussing harmful, self-policing groups. Let's just say they are overly-enthusiastic, kooky and highly resistant to criticism, ok? Plus their methods are unsupported by science and provably dangerous.

There are huge problems with the community even from people who actually still like it...

http://breakingmuscle.com/crossfit/why-i-criticize-crossfit

Let's take a look at the military who has been studying it...

http://blogs.militarytimes.com/pt36...nce-has-to-say-about-the-latest-fitness-fads/

But the study also fueled criticism of CrossFit by reporting that nine subjects — or 16 percent of those who started — dropped out of the study because of injuries or overuse issues. The injury rate “may call into question the risk-benefit ratio for such extreme training programs,” they said.

Glassman’s CrossFit Journal was quick to fire back, casting doubt on whether participants were truly injured.

“I did all the data collection for the study, and I know every person who didn’t retest. It was easy to figure out they weren’t injured,” the journal quotes CrossFit’s own study coordinator Chelsea Rankin as saying. “This data is inaccurate. Those individuals were not injured, and that wasn’t the reason they didn’t test out.”

OSU kinesiology professor Dr. Steven T. Devor says he and other researchers stand by the study.
There is a problem with their culture and belief system here... it is consistently like this, they do not accept criticism.
 
I'm not a huge fan of Crossfit, but this is extremely rare and can happen with any type of intense physical activity. Like any physical activity, some risk is involved, especially if a person is too stupid to listen to his or her body's own warning signals.
Like the articles mention, the trainers are often not properly educated, and when people get hurt, they get the blame! Kind of like every other stupid cult, like AA, when you do well it's cause you followed the program, when you do badly it's your own fault... no this is not helping things.
Crossfit is here to stay and I know many people who have benefitted from it.
Like religion?
Like I said, I'm not a huge fan and it's not how I prefer to get my exercise, but that doesn't mean it's worthless.
Whoa who made the claim it is worthless? I said it's stupid, and dangerous.

Here's a list of the Navl SEAL guy's criticisms, someone who only looks at peer-reviewed information from the top journals in order to educate the most fit humans on the planet...

• Illogical combinations of exercises (such as pre-fatiguing exercises before heavy dead lifts)
• Prescribing the same workouts (including the same weight) for everybody regardless of personal history of training or injury
• Arbitrary goals (such as using 50 or 100 reps for multiple exercises)
• Prescription of exercises that require specialized skills and baseline conditioning and are not appropriate for beginners under high-intensity conditions (Olympic lifts, kettle bells)
• Use of exercises of questionable safety if done rapidly or while fatigued (glute-ham sit-ups, muscle ups, Turkish get-ups)
• Exclusion of useful exercises (such as leg curls or biceps curls) as being “nonfunctional”
• Formats that reward poor technique, such as shortening the ROM to get more reps in less time (despite the lip service Crossfit gives to technique, it is rarely observed in practice)
• Too many formats that blend strength and endurance activities such that the effectiveness of both are diluted (better to perform strength and endurance activities independently most of the time)

The people in Crossfit who get this condition have mainly been those who are in very good physical condition but are just starting with Crossfit and are therefore capable of pushing themselves to extremes that they are unaccustomed to, whereas the average new Crossfit gymgoer cannot push themselves to that extent.
The authors of that the military study I mentioned would disagree with this.
It's not a "stupid and dangerous cult." Any organization can attract people who behave in a cultish manner toward it, but that doesn't make it a cult.
Their behavior in the face of criticism and injuries doesn't strike you as odd at all?
If I'm not mistaken, it's a franchise, so as with any franchise you will encounter locations of varying quality. You can find plenty of regular gyms full of diehard "no guts no glory" types.
Which is part of why it is dangerous, if there is no standard, and no accountability to a higher authority, then things WILL get out of control. Like with christianity, or alcoholics anonymous. It's actually a common feature of large cults.
Anyways, Crossfit acknowledges this risk and warns against it.
But denies the evidence that it is dangerous, and that injuries are injuries! Yeah I'll stick with the peer-reviewed stuff myself.

I'm sure it's helpful to many people, but the facts are they do lots of stupid stuff that has no evidence for it, employ people who aren't qualified and act like they are being persecuted when people who have more scientific qualifications and evidence than them criticize them.
 
I've heard pros and cons. My take on it is that it's like any other excercise program: there are risks, if you're stupid you'll get hurt, the people leading it are out to make money and aren't medically trained, and it may not be right for you. I mean, yoga results in a fairly substantial number of injuries, and running can (apparently) make you crap yourself.

I'm not trying to excuse the trainers who allow their people to get hurt; they are neglagent, and if it's a systematic problem they should be tried as such (particularly if they're giving medical advice). I'm just saying that the existence of medical problems resulting from the exercise program doesn't necessarily invalidate the program. Again, it may be that it's not for a particular individual. And the fact that it's a franchise means that you have to be wary about the data coming from it--obviously they're trying to make money, and equally obviously "You may pee blood" isn't exactly a fantastic selling point.
 
• Illogical combinations of exercises (such as pre-fatiguing exercises before heavy dead lifts)

Well thats how I train sometimes in my regular gym-routine. Just to change things up and shock my body. Though I know this will not probably lead to a new personal record lift. Doesnt mean its bad. And some crossfits workouts is planned liked that and some arent so its just about mixing things up.

• Prescribing the same workouts (including the same weight) for everybody regardless of personal history of training or injury

This obviously wrong. You choose your own weight and start from there, especially if youre a beginner.

• Arbitrary goals (such as using 50 or 100 reps for multiple exercises)

I dont understand this one. Thats how I also do...SOMETIMES. Its all about mixing things up. One week I do heavy lifting around 1-3 reps. And some weeks I go into a highrep workout. Both setups has their gains.

• Exclusion of useful exercises (such as leg curls or biceps curls) as being “nonfunctional”

Isolation excercises? Well I doubt every crossfit routine excludes them. And I know alot of guys with great arms that doesnt curl at all. Just because for example pull ups and other back workouts trains your biceps alot. So excluding them from your routine isnt necessarly a bad thing.

• Too many formats that blend strength and endurance activities such that the effectiveness of both are diluted (better to perform strength and endurance activities independently most of the time)

Well I would like a source of this. Since I read studies claiming the difference, such as this one:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22492939
 
Those being the objections made by Mike Caviston
This came up on SEALSWCC.com a couple years ago and I dealt with it pretty thoroughly then. My original comments were lost when the forum was last upgraded, but I’m not going to reproduce them here since with a little googling you can find my original comments as well as a lot of discussion by others. My analysis was dissected on message boards on many websites including crossfit.com, irongarmx.net, navyseals.com, and performancemenu.com. I’ll emphasize a few points here and leave it at that.

...

https://www.sealswcc.com/forums/showthread.php?3306-Crossfit
The point is that he is coming from a place of peer-reviewed research, the finest civilian and military research ever done on human beings, and CF is just some mashup crap started by a "rabid libertarian" who didn't like the "stuck in the mud" paradigms of exercise. It's about how the core CF community responded to his points that I find informative and hilarious. If you want a debate on these issues it's years old and has already happened elsewhere on the internet.
 
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Almost a year ago, the Livestrong site ran a critical article on Crossfit:

http://www.livestrong.com/article/545200-the-fall-of-fitness/

And mentioning the same problems with extreme tissue breakdown and kidney failure.

The article lays the blame on incompetent "trainers" who push people well beyond their limits, as well as the participants themselves for not recognizing the problem. (Likely spurred on by the group pressures).

As I've said before, I try to field a lot of exercise-related questions on Yahoo Answers and I'm amazed at how many young folks are under the impression that unless a workout leaves you in considerable pain it "isn't working".
 
I do Crossfit. Let me address some of the criticism.

All workouts are scalable. Just because a weight is prescribed does not mean you do that weight. I can not do most workouts as prescribed. You'd have to be an idiot, to not scale the workout to your own abilities. My workout are scaled and most people in my classes must have some level of scaling.

Most if not all the trainers have been training people for years.

Rhabdo occurs mostly in the top athletes or people who think they are. Most rank and file attendees are not capable of working that hard. All intense workout increase risk to injury.

I am more physically fit because I workout at Crossfit but it isn't everyone's cup of tea
 
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The word "cult" causes a lot of problems when discussing harmful, self-policing groups. Let's just say they are overly-enthusiastic, kooky and highly resistant to criticism, ok? Plus their methods are unsupported by science and provably dangerous.
Only to stupid people. Who pretty much invite danger to themselves regardless.
 
All workouts are scalable. Just because a weight is prescribed does not mean you do that weight. I can not do most workouts as prescribed. You'd have to be an idiot, to not scale the workout to your own abilities. My workout are scaled and most people in my classes must have some level of scaling.

Pussy.
 
Only to stupid people. Who pretty much invite danger to themselves regardless.
CrossFit is something you pay to learn and people are getting hurt at a very high rate and there is a cultural factor there, there is copious evidence for this. There is some responsibility to the trainers and the culture even if these people are truly stupid, they are not being taken care of.

Plus kipping pull-ups are retarded.



Are you impressed with CrossFit?

I liked a comment on that video "Crossfit = the Scientology of fitness"
 
There is scientific evidence sitting on one's ass is a leading cause of heart disease and diabetes. I guess I'd rather do kipping pull ups.
 

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