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Crop circle debunking help needed

chuck4842 said:
There are people here now who can't understand each other, I have a mute friend, I don't know sign language, so he constantly writes on paper when we try to communicate. Sometimes drawing pictures. Some researchers claim homosapiens wiped out neanderthals by our ability to communicate with a more developed larynx. Neanderthals had larger brains than us but hadn't considered any forms of exchanging info. other than their own. Some here assume aliens have a human developed larynx, when our own species isn't even the same.
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1) Considering the fairly uniform level of Nenaderthal tools and culture over large areas, we must assime that they had a reasonably effective method of communication.

2) No, we don't assume that aliens must have speech. What they MUST have is a complex and advanced ability to communicate. Far more complex than very inefficient patterns on the ground (I'm willing to acknowledge that grain fields were just what happened to look like their normal communication medium). If the first 'crop circles' had been huge and intricate patterns, I might have thought "hmmm??", but the most complicated message we have seen so far is a dozen words in ASCII, decoding into English.

Hans
 
chuck4842 said:
I've seen crop circles with binary code, the tree of life, that sagan 4th dimension cube thingamajig, ... in other words what YOU asked for and more....not "just a circle".
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All relatively simple patterns, well known by humans. Where is the alien message?

Why do people concentrate on crop circles? I just saw a train with a painting over its whole lenght, far more complex than any crop circle. Those trains are parked for the night in fenced-in areas, patrolled by guards with dogs. Yet, I hear nobody claim those paintings must have been made by aliens.

Hans
 
Resume said:
Seen crop circles that looked like Elvis.
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So have I.

thekinginacropcircle.jpg
 
MRC_Hans said:
1) Considering the fairly uniform level of Nenaderthal tools and culture over large areas, we must assime that they had a reasonably effective method of communication.

2) No, we don't assume that aliens must have speech. What they MUST have is a complex and advanced ability to communicate. Far more complex than very inefficient patterns on the ground (I'm willing to acknowledge that grain fields were just what happened to look like their normal communication medium). If the first 'crop circles' had been huge and intricate patterns, I might have thought "hmmm??", but the most complicated message we have seen so far is a dozen words in ASCII, decoding into English.
Hans
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"Be sure to tell your parents that you want to drink Ovaltine"?
 
MRC_Hans said:
1) Considering the fairly uniform level of Nenaderthal tools and culture over large areas, we must assime that they had a reasonably effective method of communication.

2) No, we don't assume that aliens must have speech. What they MUST have is a complex and advanced ability to communicate. Far more complex than very inefficient patterns on the ground (I'm willing to acknowledge that grain fields were just what happened to look like their normal communication medium). If the first 'crop circles' had been huge and intricate patterns, I might have thought "hmmm??", but the most complicated message we have seen so far is a dozen words in ASCII, decoding into English.

Hans
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1) I agree, amongst themselves, it is of course their form of communication.


2) I agree again with the same response, of amongst themselves. I don't consider crop circles their "normal communication medium" , but they may have experience in the lets drop out of no where and say hi consequences.
I already replied to the evolution of the circles from simple to today, as being some way of studying our reaction. Some of my reasoning may seem a bit of a dodge, but what we're debating here is an unknown society of higher intelligence possibility. If they're more advanced than us we may not yet understand any of their methods. I'd like to add I knew Elvis was still alive and but I had no idea he was abducted.
 
chuck4842 said:
I'd like to add I knew Elvis was still alive and but I had no idea he was abducted.
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Actually, the aliens abducted an impersonator Elvis had switched with, who then died before he had the chance to switch back. Until recently he was in a retirement home with JFK (who also wasn't killed but was instead dyed black by the CIA), but unfortunately died while saving the other residents from an animated ancient Egyptian mummy.
 
chuck4842 said:
1) I agree, amongst themselves, it is of course their form of communication.
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What is?


chuck4842 said:
2) I agree again with the same response, of amongst themselves. I don't consider crop circles their "normal communication medium" , but they may have experience in the lets drop out of no where and say hi consequences.
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Hans said:

"Far more complex than very inefficient patterns on the ground"​

and I'm afraid I can't see how what you've said here is agreeing with that.


chuck4842 said:
I already replied to the evolution of the circles from simple to today, as being some way of studying our reaction. Some of my reasoning may seem a bit of a dodge, but what we're debating here is an unknown society of higher intelligence possibility. If they're more advanced than us we may not yet understand any of their methods.
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If they're more advanced than us then isn't it reasonable to assume that they'd be able to figure out a way to communicate with us so that we did understand their methods?

As for studying our reactions, the overwhelming one from the people that count is to give aliens less and less credence as more 'circles' appear.

Frankly, if these aliens of yours exist, they're as dumb as dirt.


chuck4842 said:
I'd like to add I knew Elvis was still alive and but I had no idea he was abducted.
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Please tell me there's an implied smiley at the end of that statement.
 
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Sceptic Tank said:
Actually, the aliens abducted an impersonator Elvis had switched with, who then died before he had the chance to switch back. Until recently he was in a retirement home with JFK (who also wasn't killed but was instead dyed black by the CIA), but unfortunately died while saving the other residents from an animated ancient Egyptian mummy.
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Sorry 'bout that. I just realized I may be breaking a rule since the subject is debunking, but then again, I got partly into this with a defender of the Neanderthals.
 
Resume said:
Seen crop circles that looked like Elvis.
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Or like Hello Kitty. Literally. I assume there was some profound message in there that the aliens were trying to tell us with a replica of one of our own merchandising symbols, but it's kinda not obvious ;)
 
chuck4842 said:
I've seen crop circles with binary code, the tree of life, that sagan 4th dimension cube thingamajig, ... in other words what YOU asked for and more....not "just a circle".
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Uh, dude... you're missing the point. The point is that a technologically advanced civilization trying to make contact has better ways to do that than leaving something as mundane as a trampled circle with some symbol that humans know too. That's what fails Occam's Razor majorly.

Even if they communicate in drawings of Elvis or Hello Kitty, such images appearing on some alien tablet that clearly hasn't been manufactured on Earth are something that would give people pause for thought. Them being done in a field of grain doesn't. Well, except for gullible CT-ers apparently.

chuck4842 said:
There are people here now who can't understand each other, I have a mute friend, I don't know sign language, so he constantly writes on paper when we try to communicate. Sometimes drawing pictures. Some researchers claim homosapiens wiped out neanderthals by our ability to communicate with a more developed larynx. Neanderthals had larger brains than us but hadn't considered any forms of exchanging info. other than their own. Some here assume aliens have a human developed larynx, when our own species isn't even the same.
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No, we don't. My own example of something that would be more credible used flashes of light.
 
Akhenaten said:
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot

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Well aint there some kind of rule about sticking to the subject? I was apologizing about my possibilities of cropcircles stance I've been presenting, because I read his Bravo Sierra statement and thought he was trying to give me a hint. Wait, what are we debunking again? We can't debunk crop circles, just who made'em.
 
I do miss the point. ( yet another example of two earthlings failing to communicate). As far as Occam's Razor I quote wiki "In the scientific method, Occam's razor is not considered an irrefutable principle of logic, and certainly not a scientific result.[9][10][11][12]
But then I could look at the dull side of the Razor and assume my species , that I witnessed stepping on the moon, and sending robots in its own solar system and beyond (voyager) , is the smartest species in the universe.
 
Sceptic Tank said:
Actually, the aliens abducted an impersonator Elvis had switched with, who then died before he had the chance to switch back. Until recently he was in a retirement home with JFK (who also wasn't killed but was instead dyed black by the CIA), but unfortunately died while saving the other residents from an animated ancient Egyptian mummy.
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Most people don't know this, but Elvis Presley's original tomb has been empty these 34 years!

:eye-poppi :jaw-dropp
 
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