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Continuation Part Nine: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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Vibio said:
Desert Fox... save it. No one here said that.

No matter how you try to twist things about who said what, the posts are here for people to follow. Start with post 2646... the one that started this conversation.
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Well well, griffinmill said in post 2646 from this thread

Maybe. But I'm not talking about the whole "poor case." Only one fact. So did AK or RS ever say anything about a music file being played at 6am? Or why they turned on their phones just prior to that event?

This is for true afficionados clearly. Not only did I go back there, but I am quoting it, and turning it over in my mind. One or both of us have a problem with what we do with our lives. :)
I have drawn a relevance blank.
On reflection I think that playing music to soothe after a bloody murder is what anyone would do. Maybe Ride the Lightning

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT516h7QwA4
 
lonepinealex said:
Right, it's a dumb argument. I don't see what making claims for the superiority of one system over the other achieves, apart from a load of embarrassing xenophobia on both sides.

Italy's system needs a lot of reform - that can be discussed in isolation without making it about the US vs Italy.
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It would be impossible to reform Italy's justice system to match the US's because Italy doesn't have that many blacks to lock up.
 
Samson said:
Well well, griffinmill said in post 2646 from this thread
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Obviously I was referring to post 4626 as "the one that started this conversation" in my post to DesertFox. I realized my mistake but the slowness of this site made it impossible to correct quickly.
 
Vibio said:
Obviously I was referring to post 4626 as "the one that started this conversation" in my post to DesertFox. I realized my mistake but the slowness of this site made it impossible to correct quickly.
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I am not surprised, but retrofitting a random post to suit the discussion is an ideal way to replicate the prosecution's MODUS OPERANDI. Nice.
 
Italy's prison system and its penal code

Barry Moody at Reuters reported in 2013: "The overcrowding is the result of a byzantine and chronically slow-moving justice system - the root cause of many national problems - and of years of failure to build new detention centers by a state facing a squeeze on its finances."

"There is also a big proportion of foreigners - 35 percent of the total, partly due to the high rate of drug arrests in a country which is a corridor for the narcotics trade. Nearly 40 percent of convicts in Italy are serving time for drugs offences, compared to around 14 percent in France and Germany." Link.

As I have said many times before, let's have a race to the top.
 
acbytesla said:
Thanks Michael.

So clearly Amanda wasn't calling this drug dealer in the week leading up to the murder. Guess she must have been well stocked up.
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Well maybe they'll produce another phone. You know, her drug dealing phone that they found in the drawer with the "murder weapon". The one where she only called drug dealers and used gloves so her prints aren't on it. Tabloids get ready! :rolleyes:
 
Desert Fox said:
I have run into this before in other forums where somebody seems to actually argue that because the US system is screwed up in some cases, that somehow this is excusable.

Somehow, it is acceptable to lock two young people up for decades for a crime that all of the evidence argues that they did not commit.
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I think that most will agree that you could find prosecutors and police investigators in the U.S. Criminal Justice System that would be as incompetent, stubborn, xenophobic, insecure, and as unwilling to admit mistakes and employing illegal procedures as the Italian Police have shown themselves to be in the Amanda Knox case.
The difference between the systems is that if the judiciary of a U. S. hick town were to act in such an obviously uncontrolled and corrupt manner in a highly publicized U.S. case, the media attention would result in one of the other government branches, or the national judiciary, forcing the hick town judiciary to think about what it is doing and come back to reality.
What has attracted me to this case is the fact that the entire Italian nation has been buffaloed to the point where the whole Italian Judiciary has been allowed to circle the wagons and abandon all pretense of “justice”, or even common sense, in its obsessive ends-justifies-the-means face saving exercise to protect these hick town bumblers.
In Italy there is no force that can bring the judiciary back to reality as it runs, lemming-like, to the edge of a cliff where the people of Italy will see the rest of the world shaking their heads at a country that, once again, cannot control its own government.
It is as if Italy has resurrected fascism in the form of its out of control judiciary.
 
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Anode said:
Well maybe they'll produce another phone. You know, her drug dealing phone that they found in the drawer with the "murder weapon". The one where she only called drug dealers and used gloves so her prints aren't on it. Tabloids get ready! :rolleyes:
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lolol :D
 
Samson said:
It may well be that miscarriages are infrequent in Italy, but the facts do tell us that Mignini imprisoned 25 people, all innocent, including Lumumba Knox and Sollecito.
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Twenty-Five

That is pretty serious if it can be substantiated that Mignini imprisoned 25 people who are innocent. If a US prosecutor got that many substantiated claims, that would be pretty serious.
 
1"

4:58 am this morning, California time,
I'm in my truck, gear loaded, checking 1 last thing on the Internet before I put my laptop in Hibernation mode, closed it's screen lid and split to the beach in the darkness hoping to shoot some surfpix as the sun came up.
But the surf sucked...

Yet when I closed down my laptop,
I wondered once again why did Meredith Kercher have hers open?
Most folks think that she was attacked as soon as she got home.

Check my newest avatar
or see link to pics, #11,12+13,
err, from the last 2 photos in the 2nd row::
http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/PhotoGallery4.html


I show surfpix to alotta my clients on my laptop by bringing it with me when meeting with surfers at the beach.
I'll open it, turn it on, put it in their car and they can see themselves ripping soon after their last ride!

Did Meredith,
with her Halloween pix probably already uploaded on her Mac,
bring her laptop over to Robyn's?

Or did Meredith leave her laptop at home but on
when she went over to Robyn's flat for pizza, crumble and Halloween club pix viewing?

Or did she come back home and then turn on her laptop when she came home?

Or was she not in the habit of closing the screen lid all the way?

Don'tcha all turn off your laptop and close the screen lid when you leave?
Amanda did. So did Laura. So do I. You too?
I find it odd that Meredith did not do so...

Heya Vibio,
got any thoughts on this clue?
RW
 
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analemma said:
I think that most will agree that you could find prosecutors and police investigators in the U.S. Criminal Justice System that would be as incompetent, stubborn, xenophobic, insecure, and as unwilling to admit mistakes and employing illegal procedures as the Italian Police have shown themselves to be in the Amanda Knox case.
The difference between the systems is that if the judiciary of a U. S. hick town were to act in such an obviously uncontrolled and corrupt manner in a highly publicized U.S. case, the media attention would result in one of the other government branches, or the national judiciary, forcing the hick town judiciary to think about what it is doing and come back to reality.
What has attracted me to this case is the fact that the entire Italian nation has been buffaloed to the point where the whole Italian Judiciary has been allowed to circle the wagons and abandon all pretense of “justice”, or even common sense, in its obsessive ends-justifies-the-means face saving exercise to protect these hick town bumblers.
In Italy there is no force that can bring the judiciary back to reality as it runs, lemming-like, to the edge of a cliff where the people of Italy will see the rest of the world shaking their heads at a country that, once again, cannot control its own government.
It is as if Italy has resurrected fascism in the form of its out of control judiciary.
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Norfolk Virginia is NOT a hick town but is a pretty major city
Did not stop them from locking four sailors for over a decade for a rape and murder that they did not commit.
Even today, three out of the four are still publicly convicted of the crime.
They were only released due to a limited governor pardon.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/the-confessions/
The parallels between the Norfolk Four and the AK/RS is one of the reasons I got innterested
 
analemma said:
What has attracted me to this case is the fact that the entire Italian nation has been buffaloed to the point where the whole Italian Judiciary has been allowed to circle the wagons and abandon all pretense of “justice”, or even common sense, in its obsessive ends-justifies-the-means face saving exercise to protect these hick town bumblers.
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More creative writing from analemma.
 
Vibio said:
More creative writing from analemma.
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I agree with analemma
What happened is that they early on publicly declared that they had the suspects in custody. They then could not back down from that position. The issue in question for me is if those involved in the prosecution know that AK/RS are innocent or did those involved in the prosecution convince themselves against the evidence.
 
analemma said:
The difference between the systems is that if the judiciary of a U. S. hick town were to act in such an obviously uncontrolled and corrupt manner in a highly publicized U.S. case, the media attention would result in one of the other government branches, or the national judiciary, forcing the hick town judiciary to think about what it is doing and come back to reality.
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Again, tell that to Russ Faria, Ryan Ferguson, Charles Erikson, Norfolk Four etc etc.

Seriously, what is the point of this one-upmanship? There's enough anti-Americanism and anti-Italianism in this case as it is, without fanning the flames by claiming that another jurisdiction would surely have handled this case better. We can never know that. The UK doesn't officially use the Reid technique anymore, but we couldn't know whether some other aspect of the investigation might have been fumbled or corrupted had it happened here. We just can't know.

It is relevant to look at aspects of various systems to see what works and what could be improved, learning from this and other cases. But there's no value that I can see in making blanket claims about how this case would have played out elsewhere.
 
Vibio said:
I gotta love this bit from analemma:

Uh.... and so what state leads the US in wrongful convictions?

Hell holes like Alabama? Mississippi? Georgia?

Nope...
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Hiya Vibio,
In this thread,
WHO cares about whatever is happening in Alabama, Mississippi and Georgia?
The United States of America is not prosecuting Amanda Marie Knox nor Raffaele Sollecito, still.
Italy is...

But here's 1 backatcha:
Kaosium said:
Where's the website of the Innocence Project in Italy?
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Vibio!
Let's talk about Meredith Kercher's murder
and the Italian court trials of Amanda Knox, Raffaele Sollecito and Rudy Guede...


Heya Vibio,
got any opinion on why Miss Kercher's laptop was open 1"?
picture.php

See my post above.

Vibio:
Ya know what?
"I'm dying for a pizza".
:D

Err, I mean to know of your Italian, a pro-guilter, opinion
about why Meredith's laptop was open. Was it turned on?
Thanks, RW


PS-For any surfers out there,
some of the Worlds Best are competing in Huntington Beach right now:
http://www.vansusopenofsurfing.com/2014-surf/live
 
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Vibio said:
Obviously I was referring to post 4626 as "the one that started this conversation" in my post to DesertFox. I realized my mistake but the slowness of this site made it impossible to correct quickly.
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Another mistake you made was that Samson isn't from the US, thus that reply was entirely lost on him.
 
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