MichaelB
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Spiros was her friend at the internet café and Doroty Najir is Amanda's aunt in Germany.
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Continuation Part Nine: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito
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Spiros was her friend at the internet café and Doroty Najir is Amanda's aunt in Germany.
Maybe Mignini can help
Asked whether Knox “knew some drug dealers” who “could have had a role in the murder,” Mignini insisted “I cannot answer this,” but wrote down their names, according to Giallo’s reporter.
Knox has yet to comment on the cocaine claims, but Mignini warned, “Amanda knows how to lie very well. She seemed sincere and credible.”In light of the new evidence, however, he says he does not expect her to change her testimony. “I would be astonished,” he explained. “She had plenty of occasions to tell her truth.”
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2...onfirmed&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share
Note the hilited part. This purported interview is very recent, which makes her near 7 year marathon performance at lying sincerely and credibly impressive. What do these clowns really believe?
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Perhaps Mignini could take lessons from her. I can't find any of her lies, yet we can find lots of his.
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Thanks Michael.
So clearly Amanda wasn't calling this drug dealer in the week leading up to the murder. Guess she must have been well stocked up.
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See upthread where John Follain relates in his book, "Death in Italy," that at one point Mignini thinks Amanda is sincere, but the very next page Mignini thinks she is a liar and an actress.
And on the basis of Mignini thinking her a liar and an actress, he rushes out and has Lumumba arrested because of what she tells him.
I keep thinking America has its founding fathers for inspiration, and Italy has Pinocchio.
He has also been used as a character who is prone to telling lies and fabricating stories for various reasons.
I can't imagine ever regaining respect for this country after this and the Sarah Scazzi case.
Therefore my contention is that the planes should be as near parallel as possible to have this extraordinary result. I naively thought this was case closed when I first saw the photograph. I still believe the forensic proof of a rock hurled from outside will be proven to be part of the standard model for exoneration.
When I see you stalwarts of six years and counting, I am resigned to flogging a seemingly deceased horse.
eta This proof is contained within the undisputed crime scene photographs from the day. I say undisputed because no one has suggested they are manipulated, that no one just totally ignores them when being challenged to explain them.
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I read this thread for it's entertainment value. This is a good one:
And ah yes... the US has it's founding fathers, and Italy has Pinocchio.
Samson dear, what would those founding father say about modern day America's Medieval justice system? A justice system where:
1. The total prison population has grown by 500 percent over the last 30 years.
2. As of 2012 there are 159,520 people behind bars for life In 2013, 10,000 Americans were spending their lives in jail for non-violent crimes. Increasingly, these life sentences come without the possibility of being released on parole.
3. Currently, one-third of the world's entire imprisoned female population is awaiting trial or serving sentences in the U.S., mostly for nonviolent crimes.
4. The US locks up more juveniles than any other developed country. An estimated 2,570 Americans are serving life sentences for crimes committed as juveniles.
5. Big corporations are making a killing off of the the US's privatized prison system, creating financial incentive to put people behind bars... and keep them there.
Now consider the above in the context of the following from Time magazine:
"More Innocent People on Death Row Than Estimated"
http://time.com/79572/more-innocent-people-on-death-row-than-estimated-study/
What was that again about Pinocchio?
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/16/us-prison-size_n_5398998.html
And ah yes... the US has it's founding fathers, and Italy has Pinocchio.
Samson dear, what would those founding father say about modern day America's Medieval justice system? A justice system where:
1. The total prison population has grown by 500 percent over the last 30 years.
2. As of 2012 there are 159,520 people behind bars for life In 2013, 10,000 Americans were spending their lives in jail for non-violent crimes. Increasingly, these life sentences come without the possibility of being released on parole.
3. Currently, one-third of the world's entire imprisoned female population is awaiting trial or serving sentences in the U.S., mostly for nonviolent crimes.
4. The US locks up more juveniles than any other developed country. An estimated 2,570 Americans are serving life sentences for crimes committed as juveniles.
5. Big corporations are making a killing off of the the US's privatized prison system, creating financial incentive to put people behind bars... and keep them there.
Now consider the above in the context of the following from Time magazine:
"More Innocent People on Death Row Than Estimated"
http://time.com/79572/more-innocent-people-on-death-row-than-estimated-study/
What was that again about Pinocchio?
........
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/16/us-prison-size_n_5398998.html
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Vibio. I am confident you can make one observation on the Sarah Scazzi case before we are referred back to that thread.
For example, you might like to comment on this google translate extract
conversation between Misseri and psychologist.
ROME - Botte, violence and humiliation. It would have been a childhood nightmare that Michele Misseri, the farmer Avetrana uncle of Sarah Scazzi, fifteen killed in the town of Taranto in August 2010.
A psychologist confess to defense counsel, Annamaria Casale, in the summer of 2013, it would have been just the same "zi Michael." "When I was little I have suffered violence, not my father, but from his cousin who is now dead. I have been sexually abused, stuff like that, I think even now the pain. I've never told anyone" you hear a recording of a conversation between Misseri and psychologist.
"My wife - says the farmer, referring to the violence suffered as a child, when he was seven years old - found out later, when I said it in court. Neither my kids knew it. Did not remember how many times it happened, but most of one time. "
All events that have deeply marked and could be reappeared at the time of the murder of his niece. "I was tied up under a tree - it still feels in the registry - that famous fig tree under which I wanted to leave Sarah. Sarah I have left it there, because that tree was hiding too many things.'s Where my father bound us, that is me with his hands tied behind the back of the shoulder. Could you turn the whole tree, but not off the tree you went out, so you do not see anyone. though you could see people passing by.'s where I suffered what I have suffered - repeats - I do not remember how much, if I stayed two hours, three hours. remember that most of the time my mother took me to eat secretly and then took beatings from my father. "
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Misseri was sentenced to eight years for suppression of a corpse in the trial for the death of Sarah Scazzi. His wife, Cosima, and her daughter, Sabrina, was instead sentenced to life imprisonment for murder in the first degree arson.
This man confessed to killing his niece, but is free, and his daughter and wife are in jail for life. There is no possibility they are guilty, but Italians are happy justice is served. 95% believe AK and RS are guilty too. Vibio, you have no doubt of the latter, do you have anything to offer on the Scazzi case?
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lonepinealex
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Is there really any value in comparing the US and Italian justice systems? The US system has some serious, serious problems. This is well-known, as are the many cases of wrongful conviction in the US. There are incompetent cops and bent prosecutors everywhere.
Amanda and Raffaele are innocent, it's irrelevant to stoke these turf wars over which country's system is the most screwed up.
Amanda and Raffaele are innocent, it's irrelevant to stoke these turf wars over which country's system is the most screwed up.
Lonepinealex, I believe there is a structural difference of major concern, and I hope someone here can flesh this out.
It is stated that 50% of Italian convictions are overturned on appeal. It was confidently proposed by many parties after Massei that this would happen.
It happened.
It is ridiculous and bizarre to pretend that prediction would hold in America. The actual proof of wrongful executions (I hasten to add all executions are wrongful for reasons of exploring where civilization should be heading as an ambition), are very lean in America. In fact Todd Willingham is the only true candidate. The corollary to this may be that the standard to incarcerate at all should resemble the standard for execution.
My point is that Amanda and Raffaele would be better served by being on death row. Strange but true.
(Yeah...it is stated by you.)
An estimated 50 percent of all appellate cases are amended in some way on appeal.
lonepinealex
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I'm not pretending anything, I didn't say the problems were the same, I said both systems had major problems, and not just in the matter of wrongful convictions.
What is to be gained by banging on about the superiority of one country over another in this instance? It just needlessly antagonises people. I've heard people say that Amanda would never have been considered a suspect if this murder had happened in the US - I say tell that to Russ Faria or Ryan Ferguson.
We can't possibly know how this scenario would have played out under another system, and it doesn't matter anyway. What matters is that these two people have been wrongfully convicted.
With respect you ignored the intent behind my post. We are seriously dealing with thought experiments at this late stage, and mine is to propose that no system should get to the stage where the yoyo effect is confidently predicted by so many. It is a complete disgrace. It is unthinkable in civilized countries, where miscarriages are gross but infrequent. The confident predictions of reversals of fortune speak to a careless and lazy disrespect for facts, science, and families and money and taxpayers.
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What on EARTH are you babbling about?
https://www.law.umich.edu/special/exoneration/Pages/learnmore.aspx
I am fascinated by the Sarah Scazzi case, because the convictions of the cousin and aunt seem to be considered safe by Italians, but from outside the country they look the opposite. Are the convictions safe from your vantage point? I am seriously interested here, without wanting to be a ginger group. I believe my understanding of the Kercher case is complete, but not this Scazzi case.
It may well be that miscarriages are infrequent in Italy, but the facts do tell us that Mignini imprisoned 25 people, all innocent, including Lumumba Knox and Sollecito.
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I have run into this before in other forums where somebody seems to actually argue that because the US system is screwed up in some cases, that somehow this is excusable.
Somehow, it is acceptable to lock two young people up for decades for a crime that all of the evidence argues that they did not commit.
Somehow, it is acceptable to lock two young people up for decades for a crime that all of the evidence argues that they did not commit.
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Right, it's a dumb argument. I don't see what making claims for the superiority of one system over the other achieves, apart from a load of embarrassing xenophobia on both sides.
Italy's system needs a lot of reform - that can be discussed in isolation without making it about the US vs Italy.
Desert Fox... save it. No one here said that.
No matter how you try to twist things about who said what, the posts are here for people to follow. Start with post 2646... the one that started this conversation.
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