Continuation Part II - Cold Fusion Claims

If we observe only the statistics of radioactive decay, how do we know the physics that determines what nuclei disintegrate and which don't?

May I dispose of this back-to-front red herring?
Given the parameters of a particular radioactive nucleus, one can compute the probability of its decaying by, for example, emitting an alpha particle. One merely [Ha!] applies the equation for quantum mechanical tunnelling to these parameters. (Long, long ago I knew how to do this.)
Other nuclei in similar states have the same probability of decay but there is no way, even in principle, of determining which of two nuclei will decay first, they are, after all, identical. Note, though, that the statistics of radioactive decay arise from the laws of quantum physics and the measured properties of the nucleus, not the other way round.
 
If we observe only the statistics of radioactive decay, how do we know the physics that determines what nuclei disintegrate and which don't?

a) Pteridine, I strongly suspect that you've already been exposed to explanations of the enormously-long list of things nuclear physicists know about nuclei, and how reliable those explanations are, at everything from the lowest energies (like, quantum-mechanical diffraction of millikelvin neutrons, which bounce off of a "neutron mirror" made out of the long-range neutron repulsion of nickel atoms? Our theories work just fine.) to the highest energies (Predict how pions diffract while exiting the fireball of a lead-lead nuclear collision at 200 GeV per nucleon? Our theories work just fine.) and in between (predict how often a neutrino-12C collision ejects one vs. two protons, and how that differs from neutrino-16O? Our theories work just fine.). I suspect you don't need to hear it because you already heard it and didn't care.

b) Boy, if there were a new nuclear-physics phenomenon in the world, and we were trying to judge how badly it differed from current understanding---well, it'd be nice to try to learn about from someone doing controlled experiments and obtaining nuclear data. Instead of someone whose "experiments" consist of a mixture of (admittedly, IIRC) lies and (allegedly) truths involving incompetently-instrumented black boxes.

c) Let's clarify how far beyond reason Rossi's claims are. Every time the real physics world suggests something weird---dark energy! Higgs bosons! Dark matter! FTL neutrinos! The proton radius anomaly!---there is an vast army of amateur physicists who will spout ideas for new laws of physics, or reinterpretations of known laws, to explain what's really happening.

Here's the thing, Pteridine. Rossi's claims are so incoherent that not even the crackpots are interested in them. It's easy for you to say "wacky results can be true if some new physics is at work" if you're not actually looking at the wacky results and understanding how wacky they are. In the almost thirty years (!) since Pons and Fleischmann, I can think of only one crackpot even able to suggest how "nuclear reactions might not release gammas" could possibly work. (That one was very wrong. I forget the name? Posited collective heavy electrons somehow? Anyway, even that theory had the nuclei emitting gamma rays, and tried to explain that most (not all!) were absorbed in the material.)

So when I say "it's really really firmly known that nuclear transitions emit hard radiation", I'm not saying that from a position of stick-in-the-mud ivory-tower dogma. I'm saying that because it's true, everyone inside the ivory tower knows it's true, and everyone outside who bothers thinking about it also knows it's true.
 
I am not providing evidence to you.

True enough. You are making unsubstantiated and erroneous assertions.

With respect to the green card, I am stating that his conviction was overturned and he is therefore not a felon, as has been erroneously stated by many on this site.

No, his convictions (note the plural, please) were never overturned. You are, of course, free to produce evidence that they were, such as copies (or even citations) of the decision or decisions. Oh, but you're not providing evidence, are you? How very convenient.

The green card argument is valid whether you want to see it or not. It will show up whenever someone claims that he is a felon whether you want to see it or not.

The "green card argument" (that a convicted felon cannot be issued a green card) is not valid, and you have not done your homework. Conviction for tax evasion is not grounds for immigration inadmissibility. Moral turpitude, yes. Prostitution, yes. Drug dealing or distribution, yes. Murder, yes. Tax evasion, alas, no.

If you are going to be dogmatic, could you at least get your facts straight?
 
All you do is whine about Rossi being a felon. Green cards are not issued to felons. Rossi has a green card. What can you conclude from this?

That rossi simply lied to them, or the italian did not report him when the state department asked. Knowing the story of petro dragon I would bet it is the second since rossi entered a plea deal was acquitted of the pollution crime but jailed for the tax evasion ETAETA : and that is actually not a reason against a green card so the whole thema is a red herring.

Then, we had the "violating the laws of physics" nonsense. What laws?

Do you ever both reading what ben_m and other tells you about the reactions ?

The laws about nuclear reactions requiring gamma radiation ---which are not really laws, but observations.

And the gamble "law are not laws !". The same gamble creationist state about "evolution is only a theory". ETA: hint what do you think all is based on ? Observation.

When I point out quantum entanglement and dark matter, which really change the "laws" of physics, no one has an answer. You swallow dark matter whole without ever seeing a mote of 'dark matter.' Would matter repelling matter seem to change the "laws" of physics a little? Then I ask about nuclear instability and you respond that it is statistical. What you mean is that you have observed it to be statistical but cannot explain why a specific nucleus disintegrates and another does not.

First Q entanglement do not change the law of physic in any way shape of form. I bet you think there is super luminous speed communication between particle in Q entanglement. Not so.

As for dark matter to my knowledge no law of physic were thrown out with that.

As for your comment about nucleus disintegration : this is irrelevant to the discussion that somehow we cannot predict individual unstable atom decay.
The reaction which rossi pretend to use are known and use relatively stable atoms. If you pretend he found a way to force such decay, again, it is a big claim and he would need to demonstrate it with evidence and none provided.


Too bad science and skeptic work with those pesky evidence things, he ?
 
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May I dispose of this back-to-front red herring?
Given the parameters of a particular radioactive nucleus, one can compute the probability of its decaying by, for example, emitting an alpha particle. One merely [Ha!] applies the equation for quantum mechanical tunnelling to these parameters. (Long, long ago I knew how to do this.)
Other nuclei in similar states have the same probability of decay but there is no way, even in principle, of determining which of two nuclei will decay first, they are, after all, identical. Note, though, that the statistics of radioactive decay arise from the laws of quantum physics and the measured properties of the nucleus, not the other way round.

Pretty much. Pterydine is expecting that we somehow have a characteristic of an atom and can point out "see this atom A will decay before atom B !" which is actually precluded.
 
The "green card argument" (that a convicted felon cannot be issued a green card) is not valid, and you have not done your homework. Conviction for tax evasion is not grounds for immigration inadmissibility. Moral turpitude, yes. Prostitution, yes. Drug dealing or distribution, yes. Murder, yes. Tax evasion, alas, no.

That is good to know, does this apply also to environmental crime ? IIRC the arrest was for both, although he was later acquited of the pollution crime.
 
I notice you did not answer the question "after how many year of nothing happening except "rossi's statement" would you admit that there is nothing to rossi's story"
 
As for dark matter to my knowledge no law of physic were thrown out with that.
Indeed, it's the assumption that a particular law of physics (the law of gravity) should not be thrown out - as it successfully describes and predicts so much - that leads us to deduce that dark matter exists.
 
I notice you did not answer the question "after how many year of nothing happening except "rossi's statement" would you admit that there is nothing to rossi's story"



We've been asking that for years, and have never gotten a good answer. Considering that companies like BlackLight Power have been pulling scams like this for almost 30 years, I suspect the answer, if we ever determine one, will be greater than that.
 
When 10^23 atoms are involved, there may be other mechanisms in play.
The nuclear reactions that cause gamma radiation do not magically go away because there are a lot of atoms, pteridine :jaw-dropp. This is one of the basic facts that high school children (but not Rossi!) know - you need enormous amounts of energy to make the rest of the atom interact significantly with the nucleus, e.g. millions of g for neutrons stars to "push" electrons into nuclei or very high pressures and temperatures for fusion.
But then you believe in the idiocy of cold fusion/LENR so this basic physics has escaped you.
 
I am still puzzled about the "laws of physics" comments.
Being ignorant about nuclear and other physics would explain that, pteridine.
For example
  • We have seen dark matter via its gravitational lensing. That does not violate any known laws of physics.
  • Quantum entanglement does not violate any known laws of physics.
You are lying abut Rossi. Rossi is saying that tested laws of nuclear physics are wrong, e.g. that specific nuclear reactions do not release gamma radiation when theory and experiments show that they do.
 
My NDA precludes me from providing all the details you ask for. ...
So for all we or you know, pteridine, Rossi is running another scam in which he uses electricity from the mains to create steam :p!

ETA: You may even be lying about that 1MW power plant existing, pteridine.
For example Industrial Heat, LLC acquired rights to the e-cat back in Jan. 24, 2014 but by February 3, 2015, JT Vaughn (of Industrial Heat, LLC) Tells Investigators Rossi is NOT Credible
We have obtained a report from the North Carolina Radioactive Materials Branch Health Physicist, Radiation Protection Section – Division of Health Service Regulation, in which investigators discuss a recent interview they conducted with John T. Vaughn, a principal of Industrial Heat, LLC. Vaughn is one of the men who purchased the IP rights of the E-Cat, from Andrea Rossi the inventor.
According to the investigators, Vaughn said that Rossi is not credible. The investigators found no evidence of any reactors or devices of any kind, and no lab or factory.

Rossi has claimed that Industrial Heat, LLC has one of his 1MW plants: Rossi: 1 Megawatt eCat Plant in North Carolina
So Rossi lied about North Carolina labs and factories existing.
 
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All you do is whine about Rossi being a felon.
We point out that Andrea Rossi is a ex-felon because that is a fact, pteridine.
Rossi was jailed and later convicted for tax fraud and environmental crime.[5]
We call Rossi a liar because he has lied:
Rossi suggested that his devices could attain 20% efficiency. ...
Rossi sent 27 thermoelectric devices for evaluation to the Engineer Research and Development Center; 19 of these did not produce any electricity at all. The remaining units produced less than 1 watt each, instead of the expected 800–1000 watts.[17]

Then, we had the "violating the laws of physics" nonsense. What laws?
The laws of nuclear physics you have been denying for all of this thread, pteridine :jaw-dropp!
These do change when convincing evidence is produced. The scams by Rossi are not evidence of anything except the gullibility of fools who have not bothered to learn about science or even ask scientists about how Rossi has to be a con artist with his e-cat.

Repeating your ignorance does not impress anyone - quantum entanglement is a result of the laws of physics, observations of the real world (dark matter) do not violate the laws of physics.
 
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So for all we or you know, pteridine, Rossi is running another scam in which he uses electricity from the mains to create steam :p!

ETA: You may even be lying about that 1MW power plant existing, pteridine.
For example Industrial Heat, LLC acquired rights to the e-cat back in Jan. 24, 2014 but by February 3, 2015, JT Vaughn (of Industrial Heat, LLC) Tells Investigators Rossi is NOT Credible


Rossi has claimed that Industrial Heat, LLC has one of his 1MW plants: Rossi: 1 Megawatt eCat Plant in North Carolina
So Rossi lied about North Carolina labs and factories existing.

That's pretty damning if I understand correctly the linked article.
 
If Industrial Heat, LLC paid the going price for one of Rossi's 1MW plants then they were scammed of $1.5 million for a plant that never existed!



Oh, but you see, they're just uncomfortable with admitting the thing they just spent a million five on actually works something something Judas Priest something.
 
Fair enough. How does dark energy fit into the 'laws of physics?' Is this a convenient fudge factor that explains observation or do the laws of physics predict it?

If we observe only the statistics of radioactive decay, how do we know the physics that determines what nuclei disintegrate and which don't?

My point is that the 'laws' of physics are constantly being revised and the fact that the claimed phenomena has not been observed before does not mean it cannot occur.

I hear the Committee on Gravity is adopting a weaker position.
 
The reason that I asked about the experiments that show gamma as a product of a transformation is that many nuclear experiments involve colliding individual nuclei. Maybe the energy is released as gamma because there are no other options. When 10^23 atoms are involved, there may be other mechanisms in play.

And so, you propose, the burden is on you. What mechanisms specifically would those be?
 

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