Continuation Part 18: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Vixen]

Hey Mikey,
I like it!*

From PMF.net,
an excerpt from [SIZE="-7"]Raffaele Sollecito[/SIZE]'s up-coming new book:

Eight years of legal battle, five trials until final acquittal on March 27: all this is told in the book "A step out of the night" written by Raffaele Sollecito and published by Longanesi. It is the story of the trial for the murder of Meredith Kercher seen through the eyes of the accused. "A necessary book. Everyone after reading it will say "this could have happened to me '", says Giuseppe Strazzeri, publishing director of Longanesi. Let us quote one of the main passages in the preview.

"After closing arguments the judges finally met in private in the Council Chamber.

It was at that moment that my father announced: “Back to Bisceglie”. The tone was of the kind that does not allow contradiction. It was wiser to wait for the judgment within the walls of our house where we would be protected from all the curious [glances].

And then here he [i.e. Sollecito Sr.] was, running towards the house worried that the reading of the ruling had already occurred while we were still on the road. At home, there was my family gathered together, but also my friends. All eyes turned to me showing lots of affection. Everyone was trying to give me courage by staying positive.

But the truth was that we were shattered and terrified. The youngest in my family – my cousin Raffaele and Simona, the 21-year-old daughter of my father's wife – they couldn't hide the tension, and even Greta, who kept crying. As I found out later, my sister had told her that she thought this story would end in the worst possible way, and she [Greta] had to start accepting the idea. After all, I could understand her pessimism: Vanessa's life was destroyed by this story. She had to leave the police, and had lost all confidence in the system that she had been part of. She stayed behind [at the courthouse] in Rome, together with Prof. Milani usually present in the moments that count/matter, waiting for the session in the Council Chamber to end. She would give us the news, whatever it was.

When the lawyer Bongiorno – who, as they later told me, was so nervous that she kept on running back and forth with a cigarette in hand – called me to tell that they were coming closer to the moment of hearing the ruling, all fake pretense that my relatives had worn for me to calm my nerves evaporated instantly. And the curtain rose on our anguish: some were sitting absorbed on the couch, others in a corner crying - and I felt I was dying inside.

It was very late now, and the minutes seemed to pass very slowly.

Then, all of a sudden, my dad's cell phone began to ring: it was Vanessa. The silence in the room became even more pronounced (total).

Here's the truth. There was no room for illusions.

But my sister screamed: "Innocent!" All the people that had gathered around me began to shout with joy, clapping. Incredulous, I let out a small laugh from the pit of my stomach, then even I screamed, loud, louder and louder, while Dad, Mara and Greta were crying with joy and my friend Francesco [Mastro] grabbed me and gave me a ‘bear hug” enough to make me choke.

None of us could contain our happiness. I don't know how long I wandered from one part of the house to the other, laughing and hugging everyone I met on my way. Meanwhile, the phone would not stop ringing, as well as the intercom. There were lots of people who wanted to pass on their congratulations, expressing their affection. Even the policemen who had stalked me before became alive, saying that they had always been on my side. They understood that I was a good kid, and now they were happy with the way things were going to end.

Public displays of affection continued in the following days. In addition to finding my mail box every day overflowing with letters, all the time, in the streets, I came across people who stopped me, if only to shake my hand. There were those who even wept with emotion.

I also received a call from Amanda. I knew she had lived with the anguish awaiting judgment, but she, too, was now happy, as much as myself. Somehow, now, our story was really over. Only we could know, how heavy the burden was, which had weighted on us all those years. But we also realized, as we did after the first acquittal, that apart from that experience, there was nothing more that united us.

And we parted. With the same "Good luck" that we had hoped for on the day of our release.

* * *

Yea!

By the way,
it's often kinda fun to have a read at the other side:
http://www.perugiamurderfile.net/vi...d=e23316260e2706ee7062c6881b3b8ab6&start=5000
RW

(*) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYEXzx-TINc

It's a pity it is ghost-written, as like _Honor Bound_ it will no doubt come across as the views of a person with normal human emotions, like Gumbell's book.

Although, I believe, complicit in Mez' murder, Raff has shown more humanity than Amanda, who seems completely devoid of feelings, except for rage and self-pity.

However, I fear Raff's book will be full of fake Hollywood-style emotions.

 

[Machiavelli]

So if she was not a suspect why did Mignini pretend to be a notary? Why did he pretend that she gave a 'spontaneous' statement. if she was just a witness none of this was necessary. All this obfuscation was only necessary if she was a suspect. Mignini demonstrates he regards her as a suspect at the time he interviewed her by what he said and did. This is a slam dump. As a lawyer Mignini knew that Italian law said she could not refuse a lawyer, and could not be interviewed without having seen her lawyer.

The correct thing to do was to arrest Knox, charge her, detain her. Arrange for her to see a lawyer in the morning and then interview her in the presence of her lawyer the next day.

Mignini explained all this in his court testimony in Florence two days ago.

 

[Machiavelli]

(...)

It seems like there are other drivers here as well as confirmation bias. One of the posters in this thread seems to have a deep dislike of Knox because of what they perceive has Knox's sexual immorality. Another poster seems to have deeply identified with the prosecution to the point that they are incapable of a rational appraisal of the evidence. I wonder if they aren't being played by the PLE sometimes.

Please address names precisely.

 

[Desert Fox]

Will Amanda Knox or Raffaele Sollecito ever go to prison for the murder of murder of Meredeth Kercher? If the answer is no, why are you still trying to drag their names through the mud?

 

[kwill]

Hey Mikey,
I like it!*

From PMF.net,
an excerpt from [SIZE="-7"]Raffaele Sollecito[/SIZE]'s up-coming new book:

Eight years of legal battle, five trials until final acquittal on March 27: all this is told in the book "A step out of the night" written by Raffaele Sollecito and published by Longanesi. It is the story of the trial for the murder of Meredith Kercher seen through the eyes of the accused. "A necessary book. Everyone after reading it will say "this could have happened to me '", says Giuseppe Strazzeri, publishing director of Longanesi. Let us quote one of the main passages in the preview.

"After closing arguments the judges finally met in private in the Council Chamber.

It was at that moment that my father announced: “Back to Bisceglie”. The tone was of the kind that does not allow contradiction. It was wiser to wait for the judgment within the walls of our house where we would be protected from all the curious [glances].

And then here he [i.e. Sollecito Sr.] was, running towards the house worried that the reading of the ruling had already occurred while we were still on the road. At home, there was my family gathered together, but also my friends. All eyes turned to me showing lots of affection. Everyone was trying to give me courage by staying positive.

But the truth was that we were shattered and terrified. The youngest in my family – my cousin Raffaele and Simona, the 21-year-old daughter of my father's wife – they couldn't hide the tension, and even Greta, who kept crying. As I found out later, my sister had told her that she thought this story would end in the worst possible way, and she [Greta] had to start accepting the idea. After all, I could understand her pessimism: Vanessa's life was destroyed by this story. She had to leave the police, and had lost all confidence in the system that she had been part of. She stayed behind [at the courthouse] in Rome, together with Prof. Milani usually present in the moments that count/matter, waiting for the session in the Council Chamber to end. She would give us the news, whatever it was.

When the lawyer Bongiorno – who, as they later told me, was so nervous that she kept on running back and forth with a cigarette in hand – called me to tell that they were coming closer to the moment of hearing the ruling, all fake pretense that my relatives had worn for me to calm my nerves evaporated instantly. And the curtain rose on our anguish: some were sitting absorbed on the couch, others in a corner crying - and I felt I was dying inside.

It was very late now, and the minutes seemed to pass very slowly.

Then, all of a sudden, my dad's cell phone began to ring: it was Vanessa. The silence in the room became even more pronounced (total).

Here's the truth. There was no room for illusions.

But my sister screamed: "Innocent!" All the people that had gathered around me began to shout with joy, clapping. Incredulous, I let out a small laugh from the pit of my stomach, then even I screamed, loud, louder and louder, while Dad, Mara and Greta were crying with joy and my friend Francesco [Mastro] grabbed me and gave me a ‘bear hug” enough to make me choke.

None of us could contain our happiness. I don't know how long I wandered from one part of the house to the other, laughing and hugging everyone I met on my way. Meanwhile, the phone would not stop ringing, as well as the intercom. There were lots of people who wanted to pass on their congratulations, expressing their affection. Even the policemen who had stalked me before became alive, saying that they had always been on my side. They understood that I was a good kid, and now they were happy with the way things were going to end.

Public displays of affection continued in the following days. In addition to finding my mail box every day overflowing with letters, all the time, in the streets, I came across people who stopped me, if only to shake my hand. There were those who even wept with emotion.

I also received a call from Amanda. I knew she had lived with the anguish awaiting judgment, but she, too, was now happy, as much as myself. Somehow, now, our story was really over. Only we could know, how heavy the burden was, which had weighted on us all those years. But we also realized, as we did after the first acquittal, that apart from that experience, there was nothing more that united us.

And we parted. With the same "Good luck" that we had hoped for on the day of our release.

* * *

Yea!

By the way,
it's often kinda fun to have a read at the other side:
http://www.perugiamurderfile.net/vi...d=e23316260e2706ee7062c6881b3b8ab6&start=5000
RW

(*) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYEXzx-TINc

Love it. This guy's going to deserve all the goodness coming his way.

 

[Machiavelli]

They'd known each other for barely enough time to experience one menstrual cycle, or maybe two if timed so that they said hello for the first time during cycle #1 and goodbye for the last time during cycle #2. Definitely not enough time for either to "know" what was normal for each other's menstrual experience.

In any case, any female can unwittingly leave traces of blood in a shower or bathroom floor at certain times of the month. Any female.

Whenever I mention details like this one there are posters who drive off-track and start talking tangentially about the incidental topics (women, females, menses etc.). But the topic has no relevance. Meredith complained with Knox about menstrual blood around, but equally complained about feces and unflushed toilet. The object of complaint itself has no relevance and no meaning.
The only thing that is relevant is that Knox blamed the victim, she lied, she falsely attributed to the victim a behaviour that she, Knox, was instead the one who was blamed by the victim herself, and did so while knowing that the victim was not linkable to that specific behaviour.

This is not actually about menstrual blood. It is not about females. It happens to be a specific topic, but could have been anything: there could have been a male in place of Knox, while the victim could have busted him behaving in any way that would have caused him to be "shamed" among the victim's friend.
It's not about menstrual blood: it's about lying. This is what is disgusting in Knox's behaviour: the slanderous pointing of her finger. The blaming of a victim, the diversion on someone else, anyway it's the evidence of her being disingenuous.

But I repeat: she said really many "disgusting" things, meaning things that show this aspect of her: can't help telling little bitchy greasy lies, manipulating and using others or taking shots at this or that, all this is something she used to do at any turn.

 

[Machiavelli]

This has made me laugh a lot

Aren't you the one that likes to imply that Meredith rarely washed her bra and didn't mind sleeping and didn't mind sleeping on a pillow covered in semen?

No, you are mistaking me for someone else.

 

[Bill Williams]

Whenever I mention details like this one there are posters who drive off-track and start talking tangentially about the incidental topics (women, females, menses etc.). But the topic has no relevance. Meredith complained with Knox about menstrual blood around, but equally complained about feces and unflushed toilet. The object of complaint itself has no relevance and no meaning.
The only thing that is relevant is that Knox blamed the victim, she lied, she falsely attributed to the victim a behaviour that she, Knox, was instead the one who was blamed by the victim herself, and did so while knowing that the victim was not linkable to that specific behaviour.

This is not actually about menstrual blood. It is not about females. It happens to be a specific topic, but could have been anything: there could have been a male in place of Knox, while the victim could have busted him behaving in any way that would have caused him to be "shamed" among the victim's friend.
It's not about menstrual blood: it's about lying. This is what is disgusting in Knox's behaviour: the slanderous pointing of her finger. The blaming of a victim, the diversion on someone else, anyway it's the evidence of her being disingenuous.

But I repeat: she said really many "disgusting" things, meaning things that show this aspect of her: can't help telling little bitchy greasy lies, manipulating and using others or taking shots at this or that, all this is something she used to do at any turn.

LOL! This is complete imagination on your part.

While you were away at the calunnia trial, you may have missed that RS and AK have been acquitted of this.

 

[Machiavelli]

I would. Not in the sense of physical torture. But clearly this was psychological torture.

It was intended to "break" the defendant, both Amanda and Raf, and it did. They both experienced psychological breaks, which they both described in their books as taking about 10 days to 2 weeks to wear off.

It's an induced form of mental dissociation and suggestion to coerce false confessions "believed at the time" by the victims.
(...)

As opposed to that of the pro-Knoxes, which may be spontaneous...

 

[Machiavelli]

Machiavelli is obsessed about something. Today he was involved in a Twitter full court press, while posting here.

Machaveli is tweeting PortaPorta about Amanda protecting Guede and cocaine connection no blood tests, possibly ketamine... He's tweeting Mateo Renzi....too.

I was just chatting with an Italian woman. The Porta a Porta user just remained in the thread from the first tweet, the one she answered.
And no, Matteo Renzi definitely not.

 

[Dougm]

Whenever I mention details like this one there are posters who drive off-track and start talking tangentially about the incidental topics (women, females, menses etc.). But the topic has no relevance. Meredith complained with Knox about menstrual blood around, but equally complained about feces and unflushed toilet. The object of complaint itself has no relevance and no meaning.
The only thing that is relevant is that Knox blamed the victim, she lied, she falsely attributed to the victim a behaviour that she, Knox, was instead the one who was blamed by the victim herself, and did so while knowing that the victim was not linkable to that specific behaviour.

This is not actually about menstrual blood. It is not about females. It happens to be a specific topic, but could have been anything: there could have been a male in place of Knox, while the victim could have busted him behaving in any way that would have caused him to be "shamed" among the victim's friend.
It's not about menstrual blood: it's about lying. This is what is disgusting in Knox's behaviour: the slanderous pointing of her finger. The blaming of a victim, the diversion on someone else, anyway it's the evidence of her being disingenuous.

But I repeat: she said really many "disgusting" things, meaning things that show this aspect of her: can't help telling little bitchy greasy lies, manipulating and using others or taking shots at this or that, all this is something she used to do at any turn.

You are out of your mind. Seriously. Take a step back. Actually think.

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[Bill Williams]

You are out of your mind. Seriously. Take a step back. Actually think.

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk

Well, maybe not. Mach is engaging in old fashioned Italian dietrology. He's simply going beyond the blindingly obvious to let the world know what is "really" going on.

Marasca/Bruno court acquits? Well, not according to Machiavelli. Machiavelli will cherry pick sentences to show the world that the Marasca/Bruno court "really" thinks they are guilty.

One just needs the eyes to see the truth which is at odds with the obvious.

 

[Machiavelli]

mach please re-read this and see how foolish it sounds.

"she was "free from external influence" and not under stress"

She had been under questioning through the night from about 22.00 through Mignini's interviewing after he arrived at 03.00. Then she is detained without access to a lawyer by the police. Of course she was directly under the influence of the police how much more influence can you have than locking some one up? No stress! She was far from home, in a foreign country, she spoke the language poorly. Her flat mate had just been murdered, she was effectively homeless, she had been accused of participation of the murder and was locked up in jail without access to a lawyer. Can you really say none of this would have been stressful. Your dislike of Knox results in you writing nonsense. Even if she was guilty she would still find these events stressful, since she was innocent even more so.

You make the mistake of thinking that once she was out of the interview room anything said in there ceased to have any effect. Do you really think that she just forgot what happened in there? You knoww perfectly well that locked up alone the events of that night would replay themselves. That is exactly what these written memoriale show; the continued influence on her as she tries to reconcile the constructed memory created by the police with reality. Psychological studies show created memories are persisting not transient.

This is a theory which apparently no judge was ready to buy. It appears the defence wasn't able to convince any court of such theory (and me neither), based on trial facts.
The SC says the ECHR won't change this.

 

[Bill Williams]

This is a theory which apparently no judge was ready to buy. It appears the defence wasn't able to convince any court of such theory (and me neither), based on trial facts.
The SC says the ECHR won't change this.

LOL! This is precisely why they are going to ECHR!

Give it up dude. You are not making any sense. Get some rest dude.

 

[acbytesla]

This is a theory which apparently no judge was ready to buy. It appears the defence wasn't able to convince any court of such theory (and me neither), based on trial facts.
The SC says the ECHR won't change this.

Actually, they basically said that they EXPECT that the ECHR will rule against the Callunia decision.... Whatever. This really demonstrates the ridiculousness of Italian laws.

I'd bet you the ECHR rules in Amanda's favor, but I'm sure when they do you'll still be in denial.

 

[Ken Dine]

I honestly believe it has to with misogyny, jealousy and envy. Amanda and Raffaele were blessed with everything. Both had the advantages of money, intellect and beauty. They had what most people only dream about and were still in their early twenties.

I think some men hate women, particularly pretty women as they epitomize what they will never have but still desire. So they spend their energy turning them into something dirty. For many women the hatred is even stronger. They won't acknowledge the woman's attractiveness explaining away any desire men might have as the result of the women not being attractive, but easy.

I read the guilters posts and these phenomenon scream out loudly. Otherwise they would focus more on the evidence as opposed to slutifying Amanda.

You are probably correct about your hunches, but I suspect there's even more going on with most 'Guilters' since a variety of complex psychotic explanations can underlie what is seemingly their same (or similar) deranged behavior.

In short, for a variety of reasons that we don't even want to delve into, they are flaming NUTZ and in a very dark place! As such, they absolutely can't be reasoned with –– only old age and/or eventual death will ever stop most of them.

Of course, a libel suit or two could perhaps make a dent in their hides.

 

[Ken Dine]

Misogyny was very blatant in this case, both from the official prosecution and the internet guilters. That was what first alerted me to smell a rat about this case - Sollecito and Guede were barely being mentioned, and yet weren't all three supposed to have committed the murder together?

Up until I noticed that I'd assumed, like a lot of people, that they were all guilty.

As I recall from reading one analysis of the decision several days ago, the court also said that anti-foreigner sentiments may have been driving the cops to focus in on Amanda too early.

Ironically, it was that female cop in charge of the murder investigation (behind Mignini), Monica Napoleoni, who was giving Amanda dirty looks on Day-1.

 

[kwill]

...she said really many "disgusting" things, meaning things that show this aspect of her: can't help telling little bitchy greasy lies, manipulating and using others or taking shots at this or that, all this is something she used to do at any turn.

And I think with this comment I finally understand what sort of person you are.

Little bitchy greasy shot-taking manipulating . . .

What motivates a grown man to speak in this way about an innocent young woman he's never even met? I thought I couldn't be shocked, but I really am.

 

[Ken Dine]

[ ]

But the truth was that we were shattered and terrified. The youngest in my family – my cousin Raffaele and Simona, the 21-year-old daughter of my father's wife – they couldn't hide the tension, and even Greta, who kept crying. As I found out later, my sister had told her that she thought this story would end in the worst possible way, and she [Greta] had to start accepting the idea. After all, I could understand her pessimism: Vanessa's life was destroyed by this story. She had to leave the police, and had lost all confidence in the system that she had been part of. She stayed behind [at the courthouse] in Rome, together with Prof. Milani usually present in the moments that count/matter, waiting for the session in the Council Chamber to end. She would give us the news, whatever it was.

When the lawyer Bongiorno – who, as they later told me, was so nervous that she kept on running back and forth with a cigarette in hand – called me to tell that they were coming closer to the moment of hearing the ruling, all fake pretense that my relatives had worn for me to calm my nerves evaporated instantly. And the curtain rose on our anguish: some were sitting absorbed on the couch, others in a corner crying - and I felt I was dying inside.

It was very late now, and the minutes seemed to pass very slowly.

Then, all of a sudden, my dad's cell phone began to ring: it was Vanessa. The silence in the room became even more pronounced (total).

Here's the truth. There was no room for illusions.

But my sister screamed: "Innocent!" All the people that had gathered around me began to shout with joy, clapping. Incredulous, I let out a small laugh from the pit of my stomach, then even I screamed, loud, louder and louder, while Dad, Mara and Greta were crying with joy and my friend Francesco [Mastro] grabbed me and gave me a ‘bear hug” enough to make me choke.

None of us could contain our happiness. I don't know how long I wandered from one part of the house to the other, laughing and hugging everyone I met on my way. Meanwhile, the phone would not stop ringing, as well as the intercom. There were lots of people who wanted to pass on their congratulations, expressing their affection. Even the policemen who had stalked me before became alive, saying that they had always been on my side. They understood that I was a good kid, and now they were happy with the way things were going to end.
Public displays of affection continued in the following days. In addition to finding my mail box every day overflowing with letters, all the time, in the streets, I came across people who stopped me, if only to shake my hand. There were those who even wept with emotion.

I also received a call from Amanda. I knew she had lived with the anguish awaiting judgment, but she, too, was now happy, as much as myself. Somehow, now, our story was really over. Only we could know, how heavy the burden was, which had weighted on us all those years. But we also realized, as we did after the first acquittal, that apart from that experience, there was nothing more that united us.

And we parted. With the same "Good luck" that we had hoped for on the day of our release.

The highlighted part was interesting, and I believe it since surely most cops are decent people.

There were clearly several instances of cops behaving well in this case, but Mignini dictated what the cops had to do, so that made the majority of the cops look bad, and they're not happy about that, and I don't blame them!

Mignini, and a few senior cops that led the investigation, they all belong in jail. They can also take Stefanoni the LIAR with them to the slammer.

 

[sept79]

And I think with this comment I finally understand what sort of person you are.

Little bitchy greasy shot-taking manipulating . . .

What motivates a grown man to speak in this way about an innocent young woman he's never even met? I thought I couldn't be shocked, but I really am.

A truly disgusting individual! Let's hope that he hasn't and won't reproduce . . .