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Continuation Part 18: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito
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Strawberry
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Misogyny was very blatant in this case, both from the official prosecution and the internet guilters. That was what first alerted me to smell a rat about this case - Sollecito and Guede were barely being mentioned, and yet weren't all three supposed to have committed the murder together?
Up until I noticed that I'd assumed, like a lot of people, that they were all guilty.
Vixen
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I only know, psychopaths are to be avoided at all costs. If only Mez had turned and run away FAST in the opposite direction the minute she twigged about Amanda.
Even Raff said the same thing: he wishes he had never met her. Even called her a "f***ing b***h" recently.
Strozzi
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Someone, please refresh my memory. Prosecutor Comodi signed the purchase order commissioning the animation (evidence). What entity performed the work? Is the principal who was given the contract a relative of one of the PLE officials involved in interrogating Knox or Sollecito?
Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?
Matthew Best
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Not that it matters, but ... evidence?
So if she was not a suspect why did Mignini pretend to be a notary? Why did he pretend that she gave a 'spontaneous' statement. if she was just a witness none of this was necessary. All this obfuscation was only necessary if she was a suspect. Mignini demonstrates he regards her as a suspect at the time he interviewed her by what he said and did. This is a slam dump. As a lawyer Mignini knew that Italian law said she could not refuse a lawyer, and could not be interviewed without having seen her lawyer.
The correct thing to do was to arrest Knox, charge her, detain her. Arrange for her to see a lawyer in the morning and then interview her in the presence of her lawyer the next day.
Vixen
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roflmaoabag Hark at Mr Freelove. Shouldn't you be out, pulling, Hun?
Why do you keep playing the sex card?
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davefoc
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The PGP believe deeply in the guilt of AK/RS. Some of their motivation is similar to the PIP that post here. They believe a great injustice has been done and they want people to believe what they believe.
The second issue is why do they believe so deeply in something that seems completely false to the PIP. Routine confirmation bias is part of it. Their minds are trained to evaluate every detail in a way that supports their conclusions. I am not sure there is much unusual here either. There are many examples of people continuing belief even when overwhelming evidence has surfaced that they are wrong.
It seems like there are other drivers here as well as confirmation bias. One of the posters in this thread seems to have a deep dislike of Knox because of what they perceive has Knox's sexual immorality. Another poster seems to have deeply identified with the prosecution to the point that they are incapable of a rational appraisal of the evidence. I wonder if they aren't being played by the PLE sometimes.
Regardless of whether any of the above paragraph is accurate, there is a small contingent of people that form opinions about any incident that is widely known that are contrary to what the consensus is and what the evidence supports. The AK/RS case is just one more well known event where a tiny percentage of the population will hold contrarian views in the face of overwhelming evidence that they are wrong.
Vixen
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In a facebook (?) exchange with Kay (?) Kelsey, whom he wanted a marriage of convenience with, to avoid jail.
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Vixen
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If you are in a police station and have an urge to make false accusations and to claim you were a witness at a murder scene, more fool you, if you think the police are not going to take your behaviour seriously
Could you remind me what the final verdict was on the charge of murder?
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Innocent, but only because we couldn't find any evidence of guilt and the investigation was crap, and all the existing evidence seemed to point to, and was completely consistent with, a random local burglar as the perpetrator, but if not for all that perhaps guilty.
Vixen
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Guilty as charged, M'Lud.
Why not change your name to Captain Sensible, then you wouldn't be constantly Mr Fied?
acbytesla
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Oh give me a break. You're the one slut shaming Amanda with every opportunity. You never focus on the actual evidence. It's all in your sick little imagination.
Never mind the fact that there isn't a shred of evidence that puts them at the scene of the crime at the time of the murder.
Never mind that Meredith's digestive tract sets the TOD between 8:45 and 10:15.
Never mind that there are no traces of them in that room as per the final verdict.
Never mind that there is no motive for Amanda.
Never mind that there is no motive for Raffaele.
Never mind there is no history of violence for Amanda.
Never mind there is no history of violence for Raffaele.
Never mind there are no calls between Rudy and Amanda.
Never mind there are no calls between Rudy and Raffaele.
Never mind there are no texts between Rudy and Amanda.
Never mind there are no texts between Rudy and Raffael.
Never mind there are no e-mails between Rudy and Amanda.
Never mind there are no e-mails between Rudy and Raffaele.
Never mind THAT THERE IS NO EVIDENCE!
All you have are lies and more lies.. Normally I'd think a person like that was stupid or off their rocker. But you claim to be a Mensa member. So it can't be that your stupid. So is it psychotic? After all, you claim that Amanda is psychotic without an ounce of knowledge or qualifications.
Does it take someone mentally unbalanced to spot someone unbalanced?
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RWVBWL
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"A Step out of the Night"
Hey Mikey,
I like it!*
From PMF.net,
an excerpt from [SIZE="-7"]Raffaele Sollecito[/SIZE]'s up-coming new book:
Eight years of legal battle, five trials until final acquittal on March 27: all this is told in the book "A step out of the night" written by Raffaele Sollecito and published by Longanesi. It is the story of the trial for the murder of Meredith Kercher seen through the eyes of the accused. "A necessary book. Everyone after reading it will say "this could have happened to me '", says Giuseppe Strazzeri, publishing director of Longanesi. Let us quote one of the main passages in the preview.
"After closing arguments the judges finally met in private in the Council Chamber.
It was at that moment that my father announced: “Back to Bisceglie”. The tone was of the kind that does not allow contradiction. It was wiser to wait for the judgment within the walls of our house where we would be protected from all the curious [glances].
And then here he [i.e. Sollecito Sr.] was, running towards the house worried that the reading of the ruling had already occurred while we were still on the road. At home, there was my family gathered together, but also my friends. All eyes turned to me showing lots of affection. Everyone was trying to give me courage by staying positive.
But the truth was that we were shattered and terrified. The youngest in my family – my cousin Raffaele and Simona, the 21-year-old daughter of my father's wife – they couldn't hide the tension, and even Greta, who kept crying. As I found out later, my sister had told her that she thought this story would end in the worst possible way, and she [Greta] had to start accepting the idea. After all, I could understand her pessimism: Vanessa's life was destroyed by this story. She had to leave the police, and had lost all confidence in the system that she had been part of. She stayed behind [at the courthouse] in Rome, together with Prof. Milani usually present in the moments that count/matter, waiting for the session in the Council Chamber to end. She would give us the news, whatever it was.
When the lawyer Bongiorno – who, as they later told me, was so nervous that she kept on running back and forth with a cigarette in hand – called me to tell that they were coming closer to the moment of hearing the ruling, all fake pretense that my relatives had worn for me to calm my nerves evaporated instantly. And the curtain rose on our anguish: some were sitting absorbed on the couch, others in a corner crying - and I felt I was dying inside.
It was very late now, and the minutes seemed to pass very slowly.
Then, all of a sudden, my dad's cell phone began to ring: it was Vanessa. The silence in the room became even more pronounced (total).
Here's the truth. There was no room for illusions.
But my sister screamed: "Innocent!" All the people that had gathered around me began to shout with joy, clapping. Incredulous, I let out a small laugh from the pit of my stomach, then even I screamed, loud, louder and louder, while Dad, Mara and Greta were crying with joy and my friend Francesco [Mastro] grabbed me and gave me a ‘bear hug” enough to make me choke.
None of us could contain our happiness. I don't know how long I wandered from one part of the house to the other, laughing and hugging everyone I met on my way. Meanwhile, the phone would not stop ringing, as well as the intercom. There were lots of people who wanted to pass on their congratulations, expressing their affection. Even the policemen who had stalked me before became alive, saying that they had always been on my side. They understood that I was a good kid, and now they were happy with the way things were going to end.
Public displays of affection continued in the following days. In addition to finding my mail box every day overflowing with letters, all the time, in the streets, I came across people who stopped me, if only to shake my hand. There were those who even wept with emotion.
I also received a call from Amanda. I knew she had lived with the anguish awaiting judgment, but she, too, was now happy, as much as myself. Somehow, now, our story was really over. Only we could know, how heavy the burden was, which had weighted on us all those years. But we also realized, as we did after the first acquittal, that apart from that experience, there was nothing more that united us.
And we parted. With the same "Good luck" that we had hoped for on the day of our release.
* * *
Yea!
By the way,
it's often kinda fun to have a read at the other side:
http://www.perugiamurderfile.net/vi...d=e23316260e2706ee7062c6881b3b8ab6&start=5000
RW
(*) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYEXzx-TINc
Hey Mikey,
I like it!*
From PMF.net,
an excerpt from [SIZE="-7"]Raffaele Sollecito[/SIZE]'s up-coming new book:
Eight years of legal battle, five trials until final acquittal on March 27: all this is told in the book "A step out of the night" written by Raffaele Sollecito and published by Longanesi. It is the story of the trial for the murder of Meredith Kercher seen through the eyes of the accused. "A necessary book. Everyone after reading it will say "this could have happened to me '", says Giuseppe Strazzeri, publishing director of Longanesi. Let us quote one of the main passages in the preview.
"After closing arguments the judges finally met in private in the Council Chamber.
It was at that moment that my father announced: “Back to Bisceglie”. The tone was of the kind that does not allow contradiction. It was wiser to wait for the judgment within the walls of our house where we would be protected from all the curious [glances].
And then here he [i.e. Sollecito Sr.] was, running towards the house worried that the reading of the ruling had already occurred while we were still on the road. At home, there was my family gathered together, but also my friends. All eyes turned to me showing lots of affection. Everyone was trying to give me courage by staying positive.
But the truth was that we were shattered and terrified. The youngest in my family – my cousin Raffaele and Simona, the 21-year-old daughter of my father's wife – they couldn't hide the tension, and even Greta, who kept crying. As I found out later, my sister had told her that she thought this story would end in the worst possible way, and she [Greta] had to start accepting the idea. After all, I could understand her pessimism: Vanessa's life was destroyed by this story. She had to leave the police, and had lost all confidence in the system that she had been part of. She stayed behind [at the courthouse] in Rome, together with Prof. Milani usually present in the moments that count/matter, waiting for the session in the Council Chamber to end. She would give us the news, whatever it was.
When the lawyer Bongiorno – who, as they later told me, was so nervous that she kept on running back and forth with a cigarette in hand – called me to tell that they were coming closer to the moment of hearing the ruling, all fake pretense that my relatives had worn for me to calm my nerves evaporated instantly. And the curtain rose on our anguish: some were sitting absorbed on the couch, others in a corner crying - and I felt I was dying inside.
It was very late now, and the minutes seemed to pass very slowly.
Then, all of a sudden, my dad's cell phone began to ring: it was Vanessa. The silence in the room became even more pronounced (total).
Here's the truth. There was no room for illusions.
But my sister screamed: "Innocent!" All the people that had gathered around me began to shout with joy, clapping. Incredulous, I let out a small laugh from the pit of my stomach, then even I screamed, loud, louder and louder, while Dad, Mara and Greta were crying with joy and my friend Francesco [Mastro] grabbed me and gave me a ‘bear hug” enough to make me choke.
None of us could contain our happiness. I don't know how long I wandered from one part of the house to the other, laughing and hugging everyone I met on my way. Meanwhile, the phone would not stop ringing, as well as the intercom. There were lots of people who wanted to pass on their congratulations, expressing their affection. Even the policemen who had stalked me before became alive, saying that they had always been on my side. They understood that I was a good kid, and now they were happy with the way things were going to end.
Public displays of affection continued in the following days. In addition to finding my mail box every day overflowing with letters, all the time, in the streets, I came across people who stopped me, if only to shake my hand. There were those who even wept with emotion.
I also received a call from Amanda. I knew she had lived with the anguish awaiting judgment, but she, too, was now happy, as much as myself. Somehow, now, our story was really over. Only we could know, how heavy the burden was, which had weighted on us all those years. But we also realized, as we did after the first acquittal, that apart from that experience, there was nothing more that united us.
And we parted. With the same "Good luck" that we had hoped for on the day of our release.
* * *
Yea!
By the way,
it's often kinda fun to have a read at the other side:
http://www.perugiamurderfile.net/vi...d=e23316260e2706ee7062c6881b3b8ab6&start=5000
RW
(*) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYEXzx-TINc
Strawberry
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Can I just ask - why on earth are you responding to Vixen at this stage? The case is over and the right side won. Its finished, it doesn't matter what garbage the likes of Vixen and Machiavelli spew out about Amanda Knox. Nor does it matter what hateful comments they direct at you or anybody else here - Amanda and Raffaele are still free to get on with the rest of their lives with their names cleared by Italy's highest court.
Obviously those two will still troll the thread because they are bitter that they lost, but there's no need to humour them anymore. Debate's over, and we won.
Vixen
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What? Don't you know the difference between psychopath and psychotic?
The former is a personality disorder, and, like Amanda and Raff, there is very rarely any impetus in the sufferer to seek help. Psychosis is a self-limiting mental illness, which is treatable. It usually causes great distress to the sufferer or their family that treatment is sought and is often effective.
Clear now?
Desert Fox
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I have only been very occasionally commenting on this thread because of this. There are still people who believe that David Camm is guilty so you can never win.
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