Continuation Part 18: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Grinder]

Your record in this case is astoundingly bad. what makes me think you are wrong once more?

Has a calunnia case ever been reversed after being upheld by the ISC? If there is such a history I would hope the IIP/FOA/PIP would source it and publicize it on their sites. They must have that information handy.

 

[Grinder]

Oh no. I don't want to start another argument

Why not? Think you are better than the rest of us?

 

[Mike1711]

Only a guilty person would consider it a great victory they are free, even though they were condemned in perpetuity as probably guilty. Suppose you were genuinely wrongfully convicted. Would you feel "grateful" to have that hovering over your head?

No, you would not rest.

You are not only bad at law, but also at psychology.

There are many accounts of innocent people expressing total relief of being correctly found innocent after being found guilty. Even children, wrongfully accused of minor offences, express relief when the truth is revealed.

Irreparable damage done because some refuse to hear the truth, is a reflection on those few distorted sad souls in society, rather than the falsely accused victim. Sadly societies are imperfect.

 

[Mr Fied]

Why not? Think you are better than the rest of us?

No, but if it gets nasty I'll be hiding behind the sofa.

 

[Mike1711]

Fact remains, Mez snubbed Amanda on halloween, and Amanda's self-described, "Nazi within" kicked in.

That is not a fact. That is the interpretation of you and a few others.

You have the right to your opinion.

You have no right to hold your opinion out as fact. That in itself is a lie.

 

[acbytesla]

I think it is b¥ no means certain that the legal representation of the Kerchers was done on a contingency fee basis. The latter are apparently uncommon in Italy, and until 2006? were illegal. Someone may know?

I think a further civil action for damages against Knox is unlikely, until she wins the ECHR case she probably has no assets in Italy. Sollecito may be a better target but decoupled from Knox the case may be more difficult.

The callunia cases are interesting. The justification for Knox being found guilty is that she was not oppressed. Her claims to have been oppressed have resulted in a further case for callunia. There appears to have been no investigation of her claims.

Interesting. Well if their lawyer charges anything close to what American lawyers charge, he'd be rich and they would be broke.

 

[Bill Williams]

You are not only bad at law, but also at psychology.

There are many accounts of innocent people expressing total relief of being correctly found innocent after being found guilty. Even children, wrongfully accused of minor offences, express relief when the truth is revealed.

Irreparable damage done because some refuse to hear the truth, is a reflection on those few distorted sad souls in society, rather than the falsely accused victim. Sadly societies are imperfect.

Michael Chamberlain, accused of murder then cleared of his daughter's dingo-death, said it best. Something akin to, only the falsely accused can know what a precious thing innocence is.

Exoneration can only begin the process of healing and battling PTSD. However, I would argue that wrongful convictions damage the victim's family perhaps more. In this case the Kerchers' have been through a hell which not many can comprehend.

 

[acbytesla]

FIFY

Really? Because I thought they were just acquitted. As in "Did not commit the act." Yep I'm sure I read that somewhere. Oh, that's right, in the motivation explaining the ruling.

Hmmmmmm. Seems like someone either "can't read", "can't comprehend" or is "IN DENIAL"

Damn, I just broke the pledge. What is the punishment JS? 3 Hail Marys?

 

[Bill Williams]

Has a calunnia case ever been reversed after being upheld by the ISC? If there is such a history I would hope the IIP/FOA/PIP would source it and publicize it on their sites. They must have that information handy.

I'm searching the links right now. Ok, here's one..... Sept 2017 issue of la Repubblica. Damn, ISF will not link to it....

Ok, truly though, I see no upside for the ECHR to do anything on this. It will be purely a political thing, probably already getting some traction in the hallways and corridors of Strasbourg. Numbers, and others, disagree and think it's a slam dunk.

 

[Bill Williams]

Really? Because I thought they were just acquitted. As in "Did not commit the act." Yep I'm sure I read that somewhere. Oh, that's right, in the motivation explaining the ruling.

Hmmmmmm. Seems like someone either "can't read", "can't comprehend" or is "IN DENIAL"

Damn, I just broke the pledge. What is the punishment JS? 3 Hail Marys?

..... penance is a cheque made out to me, in Euros, so that I can pay off js202 for my past and present transgressions - with a wee bit left over because Hawaii is nice this time of year.

 

[Bill Williams]

This should get Anglo going as he always theorized that the police deleted the incoming text from Patrick.

As long as no one brings up the lamp again, we'll all get along just fine.....

 

[acbytesla]

The doors of the courts are always open for civil litigation. Only a fool would enter through the door with a case so shaky as to be non-existent.

There will be no civil case, because I don't believe such a total fool exists on this planet to attempt a case that is utterly dead in the water.

Agreed, but 2 individuals post to this forum insisting that they are still guilty and that a reasonable and honest jury would find them responsible. Surely, they would donate the money to the Kerchers to pursue this further. How about it Mach and Vixen? Want to pitch in a few hundred thousand Euros for the cause?

 

[sept79]

It was obvious that Machiavelli was distorting the truth. His commentary, were it true, would reflect an astoundingly stupid court. ...and by this I don't mean within the realms of even the lowest of human illtelligence. It would mean the Marasca court would place literal truth to the anecdotal saying that the law is an ass.

Sort of like the Chieffi court . . .

 

[acbytesla]

..... penance is a cheque made out to me, in Euros, so that I can pay off js202 for my past and present transgressions - with a wee bit left over because Hawaii is nice this time of year.

Sorry Bill, we don't write "cheques" in the US.

 

[Vixen]

Just out of pure curiosity, where did the content of the texts come from? Did Amanda leave both outgoing and incoming on her phone or did Meredith leave Amanda's incoming on her phone?

Various sources say there were unanswered calls, and the police records do not record any of those. All calls shown show length of duration. The ones to Mez' two phones after the murder are remarkably brief. No way would anyone have a chance to answer, even if alive.

There was a case of a convicted murderer who did the same thing; rang his deceased wife very briefly after her death, as if to feign non-knowledge of her demise.

 

[Mr Fied]

Various sources say there were unanswered calls, and the police records do not record any of those. All calls shown show length of duration. The ones to Mez' two phones after the murder are remarkably brief. No way would anyone have a chance to answer, even if alive.

There was a case of a convicted murderer who did the same thing; rang his deceased wife very briefly after her death, as if to feign non-knowledge of her demise.

The length of the call is once it is connected, not the time it has rung. If a phone is out of service you get a recorded message stating so, and this is the length of the call. Some people will obviously hang up as soon as the message starts.

Similarly this will happen when calls go to voicemail.

 

[Vixen]

Way back there was an extensive discussion about text messages and IIRC it was concluded that the carriers at that time in Italy didn't archive messages at all. If they did archive them, even for a few days, the PLE would have had both ends of the Patrick messages immediately.

Perhaps one of the text message mavens will chime in, Anglo?

There are copies of all the cellphone records here, as provided by the cellphone providers for the police. Amanda's phone ends ***590 and Mez' ***711 and +44***151.

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/File_library:_Police_notices,_summaries_and_documents

No unanswered calls are shown, but there must have been some.

 

[acbytesla]

Various "unnamed"sources. hmmmmmmm.

If one had real evidence, why wouldn't they cite their source? What is she afraid of? The Mafia?

 

[Vixen]

That is not a fact. That is the interpretation of you and a few others.

You have the right to your opinion.

You have no right to hold your opinion out as fact. That in itself is a lie.

You are astoundingly bad at law if you don't realise the Bruno-Marasca report is not an exoneration for Amanda. Far from it.

It is a fact Mez' snubbed Amanda halloween.

Read the text message.

Your logical fallacy consists of applying insults and ad hominem.

 

[Vixen]

Really? Because I thought they were just acquitted. As in "Did not commit the act." Yep I'm sure I read that somewhere. Oh, that's right, in the motivation explaining the ruling.

Hmmmmmm. Seems like someone either "can't read", "can't comprehend" or is "IN DENIAL"

Damn, I just broke the pledge. What is the punishment JS? 3 Hail Marys?

Sackcloth and ashes. Presumably you've been reading the pro-Knox translation which has Amanda calling Mez' scream "heartbreaking".