Continuation Part 14: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Dougm]

It is what I mean to imply, but it doesn't have the consequence that you think. The institution has failed. But no foreign institution has the moral standing to take its place, nor any foreign institution, people or government is in a position where they can judge the system.

I felt a blow because it's a catastrophe for justice, a national shame, an injustice and an offence comparable to a coup d'etat, and the triumph of a gang of racist bullys; I described those things at PMF. I felt the feeling of being the victim, or maybe the witness, of a violent crime. A bit like witnessing a Gaza bombing or a mafia murder.
But I noted no blow to "my analysis". I only noted a tragic failure of institutions, I only noted the violence.

Italy had a tragic failure if it's institutions before, which is what we have all been pointing out. Somehow, the ISC has corrected this.

The way you feel about it is the way Amanda Knox, Raffaele Sollecito, and all people that support them felt about the process up until now. A catastrophe for justice -- yep that sums it up. It only took 8 years for them to start to fix it.

 

[Kaosium]

Tom Kington is the "reporter" responsible for the story with that ridiculous headline. To borrow a description said by Frank Sfarzo in another context, he isn't very good at his job.

He actually said something that suggests that they are on the same page. "He added that he had briefly spoken to Knox, who is living in Seattle, and had congratulated her after the ruling from the court of cassation came in on Friday night. The two did not, however, have any plans to meet, he said." The Guardian

""I spoke to Amanda recently. I wished her the best and she did to me as well. Obviously we are both very happy. She celebrated with her family, she told me by phone. We had a brief conversation on the phone which finished with us wishing each other well for our new future and joy for this result," he said." International Business Times

The Guardian has fallen for the PMF propaganda campaign kook, line and sinker it appears to me. From what I've seen the Daily Mail is now closer to the truth than they are. Pathetic.

 

[Kaosium]

Needless to say, it's enormously gratifying to receive such supportive feedback...it makes it all worthwhile! (I have little doubt that katy_did and our other collaborators will agree.)

Of course, we've still got at least one more translation to do...

And I must say, thank you for being such an insightful analyst, tireless advocate, and eloquent polemicist!

Thank you for the compliment as well.

I remember the day the conclusions were posted and I was wondering aloud just what the body of the report would say and you asked if there was any interest in a translation and I quickly posted yes. Then I realized just how much work that might be for you and Katy-Did and told myself I'd damn well better read and study that report, and it dawned on me just how much extra work that was going to be for me!

 

[LondonJohn]

The Guardian has fallen for the PMF propaganda campaign kook line and sinker it appears to me. From what I've seen the Daily Mail is now closer to the truth than they are. Pathetic.

The poor story was in The Times. Tom Kington writes for the good old "Thunderer" now, not The Guardian.

 

[Dougm]

What – I was referring to the images of the victim in the possession of AK’s fans.
And why should I ‘distance myself’ from Maresca, whatever that means

I was only joking when I hinted that I was ‘The mayor of Perugia’ or an ‘Italian cop’
Or do you think I am a member of the Kercher family. Is that it?
Bizarre.


But no more bizarre than the underlying argument; That it’s appropriate that gentlemen of a certain age who are devoted fans of a woman convicted of sexual assault/murder should have possession of these images of the victim whilst their use in an actual criminal trial by the lawyer representing the victims family is not.
That argument rather neatly encapsulates the nature of the campaign.

Your opinion is disgusting and repugnant.

+2 (Concur)

Also insulting and ignorant.

 

[GreyFox]

At some point I think Amanda's going to have to deal with some of these stalkers who just cant accept defeat . The case is over so you'd think they would go play with the kids chained up in their basements and let it go.
Speaking of those who make money off of MK's death, I wonder how Barbie's book/movie is doing ??? Maybe she would like to donate some of the profits to the family ? If there are any profits? Let's see. We have about 20 (Stalkers) Guilturds and if they see the movie twice....hmmm awww nevermind.

 

[Kaosium]

The poor story was in The Times. Tom Kington writes for the good old "Thunderer" now, not The Guardian.

I stand corrected on where that story was published.

However the stories I've seen since the verdict from the Guardian reek of rancid bunny droppings.

 

[lonepinealex]

I stand corrected on where that story was published.

However the stories I've seen since the verdict from the Guardian reek of rancid bunny droppings.

I've noticed that with a lot of the British press. It's almost like they can't let it go!

 

[Dougm]

At some point I think Amanda's going to have to deal with some of these stalkers who just cant accept defeat . The case is over so you'd think they would go play with the kids chained up in their basements and let it go.
Speaking of those who make money off of MK's death, I wonder how Barbie's book/movie is doing ??? Maybe she would like to donate some of the profits to the family ? If there are any profits? Let's see. We have about 20 (Stalkers) Guilturds and if they see the movie twice....hmmm awww nevermind.

One thing I have been truly disgusted by is the number of "whores" in this case, like Nadeau, Winterbottom, Vogt, Lifetime, etc. So many that wanted to jump on the gravy train, while the actual people involved, and their families, suffered.

I don't think that taking the tack that the whole thing is a media mess, so we don't know what happened, like the Winterbottom film did, is an excuse. There are lots of other topics to make a movie about. 10-20 years later, this will make a great movie. Doing it while people are still being judged is selfish, IMO.

 

[acbytesla]

I've noticed that with a lot of the British press. It's almost like they can't let it go!

They will let it go eventually. The interest will fade.

 

[lonepinealex]

They will let it go eventually. The interest will fade.

I meant more that they couldn't let the "did they / didn't they?" thing go. But yes, the interest is already fading, which is all to the good for A & R getting their lives back on track.

 

[LondonJohn]

{Highlighting added to quote.}

Who are you referring to here? Amanda Knox has been finally and fully acquitted and her only standing wrongful conviction is for calunnia. A claim of violation of Convention rights in the calunnia wrongful conviction has been lodged with the ECHR by Amanda Knox and her lawyers.

Yes. If it were me, and I were a pro-guilt commentator, I'd be very careful right now about referring to Knox (or Sollecito) as a "convicted murderer" - or, for that matter, a "murderer" or "murder participant" or anything similar.

And on that note, if Sollecito and Bongiorno are looking for their first target for legal action on that front, I'd recommend dear old Hugo. He's busy bandying around the term "murderer", and properties in Dartmouth Park can realise a nice pile of cash.......

 

[Desert Fox]

They will let it go eventually. The interest will fade.

I give it a few weeks, maybe a couple of months. In the meantime, we need to channel the energy into other wrongful convictions.

There is the case of Police Lt James (or Jim) Barton who was convicted on the based on if he said "I have to call Phelp" not "I have to call fo help"

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=289924

 

[Anode]

"but when 48 Hours sent me to Perugia to cover the story, I learned something pretty basic was being ignored - common sense"

By DOUG LONGHINI

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/amanda-knox-through-the-years-a-48-hours-reporters-journey/

 

[toto]

I cannot believe the grief I've caught over a friggin' film!!
I watched it with confirmation biased eyes, and lo and behold, on the matter of the court-cases itself it matched my biases. That was a relief. I was thinking, "Wow.... an English film maker 'gets it'."

The other thing that was very good about the film was that it memorialized Meredith Kercher in a way she'd never been memorialized. Winterbottom put the, "Meredith has been forgotten in all this," onus squarely on the tabloids - Nick Pisa and Barbie Nadeau herself were implied as the chief culprits in that!!! It would have been impossible to be a father oneself, and not choke up at the scene where John Kercher, Snr., is in church memorializing his dead daughter. You could hear a pin-drop in the theatre. No one, not John Kercher, not you, not me, not a saint not a sinner should ever have to speak the words Kercher spoke in the film; and no father would NOT want to speak them in that circumstance.

Yes, it ends with the Hellmann acquittal, and I bet 600 of the 900 people in the theatre I was with did not even know about the March 2013 ISC (Section 1) reversal. The Q&A with Winterbottom afterwards asked him if he would be in trouble with the Italian authorities because of the thinly veiled theme of the film: the young students are innocent and obviously innocent, and Frank Sfarzo is the only one on-site who remotely understood the real crime.

The place where it falls down is that it is actually a film about Winterbottom, about the impossibility of making a film about this. There's a lot of Winterbottom-ego in it... not the least of which is the end where his alter-ego, Bruhl, gets to go off with Cara Delevigne and watch her naked in his bed, and flounce around in her underwear at a beach. It's a little creepy....

I was watching it with an eye to the court-case. Winterbottom put a few feet wrong, but in the main got the case right.

As a film, it probably deserves 52% on Rotten Tomatoes. Would I see it again? Who knows?

Thanks for your reply. I don't understand the highlighted part. I thought you had spoken well of the film but then you referred to it as "mediocre". So I just wanted your take on it. The rest of my questions were also simple curiosity! My perspective would be that I would be disappointed if a director whose work I admired, such as his "The Trip" with Steve Coogan, made a film that hinted towards the guilt of the girl suspect, and that if the film ended with the acquittal (that the director appears to sympathise with), then I would enjoy the film more, even though I would know it was just an art film that ultimately had no bearing on the Knox case.

ETA I will see the film!

 

[LondonJohn]

I meant more that they couldn't let the "did they / didn't they?" thing go. But yes, the interest is already fading, which is all to the good for A & R getting their lives back on track.

The whole "did they/didn't they" thing is central to the "appeal" of the story though. It's manna from heaven to the British newspapers in particular.

And yes, it's dropping out of the news cycle now, and will have totally disappeared within an couple of days. That's simply how the news cycle works. Even when the same things are happening within a given story, it will only have a very limited time for a high spot on the news agenda. For example, many dozens of people are being killed every day in the ongoing civil war in Syria, yet if one was to take the news agenda at face value, one might be mistaken for thinking that Syria's "all sorted out" now, since it's not on the news any more.

So since the Knox/Sollecito story has the added factor of truly being an "event-driven" story (mainly driven by court verdicts and motivation reports), it's a racing certainty that it will totally disappear from view very quickly. I suspect that Knox will do some US media interviews, and it's likely that these will feature in the UK press as and when they occur. And aside from that, unless any of the other key individuals - Sollecito, John or Arline Kercher, maybe Bongiorno or Dalla Vedova - give interviews too, then that's all there will be until the SC motivations comes out. Unless there's activity regarding threats/harassment to Knox or Sollecito.......

 

[Dan O.]

One Q remains perhaps – can a few more dollars be made or has the gravy train that was MK’s murder run its course.
There might be a market for the images of the victims naked corpse. Given the nature of Britney’s fan base it’s not beyond the bounds of possibility.

Actually, based upon your posts, it appears that the only ones who have any interest in Ms. Kercher's naked corpse are hard core guilters and the Kercher family's lawyer, Maresca. You might want to distance yourself from Maresca these days.

What – I was referring to the images of the victim in the possession of AK’s fans.
And why should I ‘distance myself’ from Maresca, whatever that means

I was only joking when I hinted that I was ‘The mayor of Perugia’ or an ‘Italian cop’
Or do you think I am a member of the Kercher family. Is that it?
Bizarre.


But no more bizarre than the underlying argument; That it’s appropriate that gentlemen of a certain age who are devoted fans of a woman convicted of sexual assault/murder should have possession of these images of the victim whilst their use in an actual criminal trial by the lawyer representing the victims family is not.
That argument rather neatly encapsulates the nature of the campaign.

If you were to review the photos and the video's made available on AmandaKnoxCase.com you would see that images showing Meredith Kercher's corps have all been edited or redacted. This was a conscious decission made by the sole gatekeeper of that information who possibly isn't even male (I've had no need to ask). Even the innocuous image of her bare foot sticking out from the duvet was blocked out and it wasn't till the image through other sources circulated that we ever saw this foot.

 

[toto]

There have been too many people lying to this family for far too long.

I am very sorry for Mrs Kercher.

 

[LondonJohn]

"but when 48 Hours sent me to Perugia to cover the story, I learned something pretty basic was being ignored - common sense"

By DOUG LONGHINI

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/amanda-knox-through-the-years-a-48-hours-reporters-journey/

I think that's an excellent article which encapsulates almost perfectly the bizarre confluence of religious extremism and confirmation bias/tunnel vision that so horribly blighted this case. Longhini is so right: we weren't in Kansas there for quite a long time.

 

[Ammonitida]

Ok, I just read on PMF that Knox is facing a possible six years on a second "calunnia" charge. Is this true, and can she be extradited for that?