Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

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Wikipedia is part of the conspiracy

So you are still stuck the WTC site....

Elements of AIPAC and the Israeli Government (at a minimum) allowed 9-11 happen. David Szady is an excellent example of a useful idiot.

The Wikipedia article on Robert Hanssen totally leaves out David Szady. Known to be an anti-Semite, he was positive that the mole was (CIA) Brian Kelley even after Kelley passes a polygraph. Szady actually thought that Kelley (CIA) was a SUPERSPY trained to pass lie detectors.

This moron is promoted to the head of FBI Counterintelligence after screwing up the Hanssen case. C.I. from February 14, 2002 to Jan 27th 2006.

Wikipedia is part of the conspiracy, David Szady is not even mentioned in the Robert Hanssen article in Wikipedia.

Wikipedia doesn't even have an entry for David Szady, even though he heads up FBI Counterintelligence for nearly 4 years in the period after 9-11. Yes, another coincidence.

Don't look for any connections between the conspirators on Wikipedia. It is a waste of time. Their expert authorities are bought and paid for by The Kochs, the NeoCons, and AIPAC.

So if there isn't any conspiracy, who is paying to maintain the smoke screen for it?

Experts aren't free.

Guess what happens when a known anti-Semite C.I. agent bumbles across Israeli spying. Can you say self-destruct.

CBS's Leslie Stahl recently reported an apparent scoop: the FBI suspects that a mid-level Pentagon employee specializing in Iranian affairs conveyed classified documents to the pro-Israel lobby AIPAC, and further that two of the lobby's employees may have passed those documents to Israel. While Israeli officials and AIPAC strongly denied any involvement in spying on America, CBS promised there would be imminent arrests.

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_print=1&x_context=6&x_article=782

Less than a year earlier 60 minutes had shown David Szady to be an idiot, and now they used the same idiot to go after AIPAC? How many times has 60 Minutes screwed up this badly?

This was perfect for Israel. Being accused by 60 minutes using this idiot David Szady as a witness.

After this no one would dare publish anything unless there was a grand jury indictment, an official investigation was just a dangerous nut job rumor.

How many Grand Jury indictments have come out?

The DOJ name for AIPAC was, Master!

http://www.americanthinker.com/2006/12/naked_to_our_enemies.html

Szady's blunders are so numerous and glaring that Gertz could have used them for a follow up book: What the Hell Do You Have to Do to Be Fired From the FBI?
 
Clayton Moore said:
That didn't seem to be a TS or higher document. You are aware there are such things as military secrets?
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First of all yes, I am quite aware of that. In fact I'm so aware of it that I've actually read quite a bit of classified material regarding weapons, weapon systems and other things as a result of my former job in the navy. They aren't as juicy of a read as you seem to think they are.

Secondly, incendiaries would never get a classification of confidential much less secret or top secret. Hell, nuclear weapons manuals (SWOPS) only get a secret classification and even then it's only a few parts of the manuals that are actually classified secret, most of the information is classified confidential. The manual as a whole gets lumped in with the highest level of classified information in it. It is telling that you think that incendiaries would get a higher level of classification than we give nuclear weapons though.

Finally, knowing all of this through personal experience gives me a little bit more of an insight on the matter than you will ever have short of actually joining the military, gaining some rank and trust and then having a job that requires you to have access to classified material (curiosity won't get you squat, you actually will have to have a need to know about what's in them first).

I guess we can add yet another item, what sort of information "Classified documents" actually contain and why they are classified in the first place, to the ever growing list of things that you have no clue about.

ETA: Whoops, I forgot, documents concerning incendiaries can get a classified rating. But not because of the active ingredients used in them though. The devices we used had to be ejected from underwater and revealing at what depths we could launch them from would give away our actual maximum operating depth, which was classified (another case of one paragraph or sentence causing an entire manual to be classified).
 
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Government Stingy with the Information?

Businessman will always minimize their costs, except when their own ass is on the line.

Why is money being spent to maintain this conspiracy? What magic elf of the free market is funding these factories of lies and distortion?

And I am not talking about some of the views on this forum.

The standard pattern of these web sites is to factually identify the most probable groups behind the conspiracy. They then make a speech about how they are the only ones who have the truth.

Then they add on some insane theory that can't possibly be logically defended.

Examples:
Nano Thermite (IF there were explosives, they were standard ones)

A missile at the Pentagon (You try to get through an 18 inch thick reinforced concrete wall with your wings attached.)

Remote controlled airplanes, are we that fracking Stupid?

If the government had given us everything as soon as they could, they would NOT have wasted all this time.

They figured that by the time that all of the information was out, it wouldn’t matter any way.

By then, they thought, that they would have achieved full control of the government.

Checklist of Government Control:
Supreme Court (Check)

House of Representatives (Almost There)

Senate (We have a few problems)

White House (Hey these guy doesn’t wanna play ball! Say it with a Chicago accent)

The Intelligence Community (Just the splashing of a NeoCon Collaborator taking a wet nap and rounds being chambered, “Just say the word, we will have your back”) I thought I broke a rib, laughing so hard.

Another reason, to delay giving out what they already knew, was to let the seeds of their disinformation grow deep roots.

Only now, while the Conspiracies Throat is caught in the Icy Grip of Justice’s Hand, is the truth breaking out.

Hi! Ho! Silver!
 
Why are you responding to someone who is obviously, Deranged?

Don't you have something more important to do?

Like pulling up those floor boards, and gassing up that small plane.

Oh wait, they are trying to get you to put a tracking device on your plane. What's the matter, when we fly (as passengers) the government can track us?

The BARR program gives aircraft owners and operators the ability to “opt out” of having their aircraft’s movements electronically broadcast to nongovernment entities by commercial flight-tracking services. In the letter, the associations pointed out that under the BARR program, the FAA, Department of Homeland Security, and law enforcement agencies always retain their ability to track general aviation aircraft movements, but GA operators are provided the ability to “opt out” of having their real-time private movements disseminated beyond the government to unknown third parties throughout the world.

If I am poor, I can't have a plane. When I fly as a passenger on a commercial plane, the government knows where I am. I doubt if security is so tight that private companies can't find out where I am, too.

Poor, no plane, no privacy. Simple

Oh yeah, which floorboard was it?
 
DeathDart said:
Why are you responding to someone who is obviously, Deranged?

Don't you have something more important to do?

Like pulling up those floor boards, and gassing up that small plane.

Oh wait, they are trying to get you to put a tracking device on your plane. What's the matter, when we fly (as passengers) the government can track us?

The BARR program gives aircraft owners and operators the ability to “opt out” of having their aircraft’s movements electronically broadcast to nongovernment entities by commercial flight-tracking services. In the letter, the associations pointed out that under the BARR program, the FAA, Department of Homeland Security, and law enforcement agencies always retain their ability to track general aviation aircraft movements, but GA operators are provided the ability to “opt out” of having their real-time private movements disseminated beyond the government to unknown third parties throughout the world.

If I am poor, I can't have a plane. When I fly as a passenger on a commercial plane, the government knows where I am. I doubt if security is so tight that private companies can't find out where I am, too.

Poor, no plane, no privacy. Simple

Oh yeah, which floorboard was it?
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Well I guess that you'd better drive then...
 
DGM said:
Actually I'm sitting by the pool cooking a pork roast on the grill. Kids are having a ball, BTW. I think I got it covered.
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Low and slow baby. Low and slow. I like to grill up some fresh (canned can work too but fresh is much better because of the moisture content) pineapple slices when I make pork on the grill (dust them with brown sugar and just a tiny pinch of salt first). Toss 'em on until you get grill marks on both sides (light brown, not black) Makes for a great dessert.
 
Sam.I.Am said:
Low and slow baby. Low and slow. I like to grill up some fresh (canned can work too but fresh is much better because of the moisture content) pineapple slices when I make pork on the grill (dust them with brown sugar and just a tiny pinch of salt first). Toss 'em on until you get grill marks on both sides (light brown, not black) Makes for a great dessert.
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I'm on charcoal with mesquite chips. I figure a little more than two hours. Slow enough?

BTW "Canned pineapple"? Really?

;)
 
DGM said:
I'm on charcoal with mesquite chips. I figure a little more than two hours. Slow enough?

BTW "Canned pineapple"? Really?

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Good for the ring but I'd toss it in the oven (covered of course) at about 225 or so for another hour or two. I like it falling apart though.

I don't know where you're located or even if fresh pineapples are readily available there. Canned will work but obviously fresh is always better if you can get them. I got one a few days ago and they were only $2 a pop but I've seen them as high as $4 at some times of the year, and I live in a place where the locals buy a lot of them (a lot of Pacific Islanders in my area) and the shipping costs aren't all that bad being right next to a major shipping port. Go inland a few hundred miles and the price goes way up.

I was just giving you options man.
 
Sam.I.Am said:
Good for the ring but I'd toss it in the oven (covered of course) at about 225 or so for another hour or two. I like it falling apart though.

I don't know where you're located or even if fresh pineapples are readily available there. Canned will work but obviously fresh is always better if you can get them. I got one a few days ago and they were only $2 a pop but I've seen them as high as $4 at some times of the year, and I live in a place where the locals buy a lot of them (a lot of Pacific Islanders in my area) and the shipping costs aren't all that bad being right next to a major shipping port. Go inland a few hundred miles and the price goes way up.

I was just giving you options man.
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Funny thing is, I'm in New England so "fresh pineapple" is a bit of anomaly. I should have said, my roast is only 2 lbs. The "kids" are having hot dogs and hamburgers. I might add the mesquite chips are from Arizona when I had to clear them helping a buddy with an addition. I could tell you a funny story about getting two trash bags of "wood chips" on a plane.

:D
 
Sam.I.Am said:
Good for the ring but I'd toss it in the oven (covered of course) at about 225 or so for another hour or two. I like it falling apart though.

I don't know where you're located or even if fresh pineapples are readily available there. Canned will work but obviously fresh is always better if you can get them. I got one a few days ago and they were only $2 a pop but I've seen them as high as $4 at some times of the year, and I live in a place where the locals buy a lot of them (a lot of Pacific Islanders in my area) and the shipping costs aren't all that bad being right next to a major shipping port. Go inland a few hundred miles and the price goes way up.

I was just giving you options man.
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Screw the fresh pineapple I say, I used to cut those things up by the case back in my restaurant days. What a pain.

As for me, my menu is typical 4th stuff - Death Burgers (cheddar and real bacon for you bacon nazis), hot dogs, tater salad, BBQ beans, etc.

OK, back on topic.... er.... Truthers are wrong. :)
 
AJM8125 said:
Screw the fresh pineapple I say, I used to cut those things up by the case back in my restaurant days. What a pain.
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I wouldn't want to do a case either but one or two isn't all that bad as long as you have a sharp knife.

As for me, my menu is typical 4th stuff - Death Burgers (cheddar and real bacon for you bacon nazis), hot dogs, tater salad, BBQ beans, etc.

OK, back on topic.... er.... Truthers are wrong. :)
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Ummm... yeah. What he said.
 
Clayton Moore said:
I said improbable/impossible. Besides, the crux of my point was the novice pilot performing the maneuver.
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One wonders how often this very point has been destroyed by members here.................

Once more for good measure.

The manouver of Flt 77 was, had it gone all the way around 360 degrees, greater than a 3 minute turn. A 3 minute turn through 360 degrees is performed by novice pilots quite regularily.

He descended through a few thousand feet in that time at an average sink rate that would be only slightly greater than a normal landing.

A suicide pilot has absolutly no concern for the safety, or comfort of his passengers and the effect on the airframe is obviously simply not a concern when the ultimate goal is to completely destroy said aircraft anyway.
So yes, in the final straight in portion of its final seconds this aircraft was exceeding Vmo for an aircraft at low altitude. However this was a short duration and not likely to result in parts coming off and especialy unlikely to result in serious damage to the aircraft over that short time frame. Until, of course, he hit the concrete wall of the Pentagon.

What else did Hani do 'wrong'? Well he was 'landing' and yet did not deploy the gear, nor bother with flaps. That would fail him on any normal flight test but pass him with (dare I say.....) flying colours in the terrorist suicide hijacking test.

As for the lawn being undisturbed; that is quite the frankly inane comment to make. The lawn would only get disturbed if the lawn was involved with the crash of the aircraft. It was not and therefore was undisturbed. The corner of Main and Second street in my home town was also not disturbed by the impact of Flt 77 with the Pentagon, and for the same reason.
 
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