Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

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Clayton Moore said:
That's just a lie. A huge lie that is repeated over and over and over. There are no videos of widespread, intense fires.
Use your eyes.
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Actually, the statement is true; firefighters did describe the fires as such. Now, if you want to argue that the firefighters were lying, well... go right ahead. It should be fun.
 
Sabretooth said:
PICTURED: No Widespread Fires.



:rolleyes:
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Yeah, and my understanding is that there were no credible accounts of widespread fires.

Oh, wait! :eek:
"The building was fully involved in fire." – Photographer Steve Spak
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"I had a clear view down Washington Street of Building Seven, which was on the north edge of the site. All forty-seven stories were on fire. It was wild. The MPs said the building was going to collapse. I said, "Nah, I don't know." And then all of a sudden I watched the building shake like an earthquake hit it, and the building came down." –Ground Zero Superintendant Charlie Vitchers (Glenn Stout, Charles Vitchers, and Robert Gray. Nine Months at Ground Zero. Scribner, 2006 15-16) Note: Vitchers may have only seen the building from the north side. There may not have been visible fires on most floors there. His quote is included to show how impressive the scene was.
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1. We walked over by number Seven World Trade Center as it was burning and saw this 40-plus story building with fire on nearly all floors. –FDNY Lieutenant Robert Larocco

2. ...Just when you thought it was over, you're walking by this building and you're hearing this building creak and fully involved in flames. It's like, is it coming down next? Sure enough, about a half an hour later it came down. –FDNY Lieutenant James McGlynn

3. I walked out and I got to Vesey and West, where I reported to Frank [Cruthers]. He said, we’re moving the command post over this way, that building’s coming down. At this point, the fire was going virtually on every floor, heavy fire and smoke that really wasn’t bothering us when we were searching because it was being pushed southeast and we were a little bit west of that. I remember standing just where West and Vesey start to rise toward the entrance we were using in the World Financial Center. There were a couple of guys standing with me and a couple of guys right at the intersection, and we were trying to back them up – and here goes 7. It started to come down and now people were starting to run. –FDNY Deputy Chief Nick Visconti

4. All morning I was watching 7 World Trade burn, which we couldn't do anything about because it was so much chaos looking for missing members. –Firefighter Marcel Klaes

5. When the building came down it was completely involved in fire, all forty-seven stories.
–FDNY Assistant Chief Harry Myers (Smith, Dennis, 2002. Report From Ground Zero: The Heroic Story of the Rescuers at the World Trade Center. New York: Penguin Putnam. p. 160)
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Damn... if there was only a page where many of these testimonies were gathered and centralized for our convenience... and if only a central repository of first responder testimony existed that anyone could peruse at their leisure... :rolleyes:
 
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Al Qaeda must be kicking themselves. They hit the buildings first thing in the morning, to maximize potential casualties. If only they knew that this would have the unintended consequence of the fires lacking dramatic nighttime views. They need a new PR guy.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Look at the picture. There are fires on one floor.
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...at the time that picture was taken. Keep in mind, too, that that picture is of the face opposite of the damaged side of the building. The fire you see there worked its way through that entire floor to be visible on the opposite side.

Also, do you think experienced firefighters were lying about the fire situation?
 
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Cl1mh4224rd said:
...at the time that picture was taken. Keep in mind, too, that that picture is of the face opposite of the damaged side of the building. The fire you see there worked its way through that entire floor to be visible on the opposite side.
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So I'm guessing NYC ran out of film?
 
Clayton Moore said:
Look at the picture. There are fires on one floor.
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(*Facepalm*)

Yes, yes... somehow that one, single, static image represents all the hours the building was burning. :eye-poppi

:mgduh

Good grief man, you're not serious are you? There are plenty of images demonstrating that the fires covered multiple floors:
WTC7WestFaceSmoke.jpg
WTC-7-northface3-1.jpg
WTC-7-northface2.jpg


And again, TESTIMONIES:
Q: Why was building Seven on fire? Was that flaming debris from tower two, from tower two that fell onto that building and lit it on fire?

A: Correct. Because it really got going, that building Seven, saw it late in the day and like the first Seven floors were on fire. It looked like heavy fire on seven floors. It was fully engulfed, that whole building. There were pieces of tower two [sic: he probably means tower one] in building Seven and the corners of the building missing and what-not. But just looking up at it from ground level however many stories -- it was 40 some odd -- you could see the flames going straight through from one side of the building to the other, that’s an entire block. –Firefighter Tiernach Cassidy
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The whole south side of Seven World Trade had been hit by the collapse of the second Tower, and there was fire on every floor." – Fire Captain Brenda Berkman (Susan Hagen and Mary Carouba, Women at Ground Zero, 2002, p. 213)
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Grasping at straws should be less obvious. Either that, or you need to start offsetting posts you don't intend to be taken seriously in some way. Perhaps with smileys:
Yes, I am a big believer in the truth movement... :rolleyes:
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... or fake tags.
[sarcasm mode]Of course WTC 7 conspiracy theories have some basis to them[/sarcasm mode]
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... but one way or another, you really need to up your game here. It's pretty bad.
 
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