Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

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**** this ****! How can a discussion of the parallels between 9/11 and AGW CTs be considered off-topic in this thread??!?!?!?:confused:
It wouldn't be if that was what was being discussed (I lost a few trying to get him to do it). Did you see that happening? If so bring it to forum management. I personally didn't see it.
 
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**** this ****! How can a discussion of the parallels between 9/11 and AGW CTs be considered off-topic in this thread??!?!?!?:confused:

It never got to an actual discussion of parallels - lots of suggestions that Mr Smith was using similar techniques but no real discussion.

The techniques of CT's engaged in 9/11 Troof and the anti side of GW and let's not forget Creationist/Intelligent designers have a lot in common and are worthy of full debate. But even that should be in a special topic not a 9/11 General discussion thread.

$AU02

Try these two for a couple of related aspects of WTC 9/11 which are "half way; - they bridge between "Trufer Tactics" and "Legitimate discussion"

1) Why do we regularly let Troofers get away with the inference that "Free fall = Demolition" when natural processes/mechanisms can produce free fall?

2) Why do we bother discussing "Nano Thermate found on Ground Zero" with the inference that demolition needs to be reconsidered? Nano (or any other) thermate could not and did not contribute to any of the three WTC collapses.

etc etc

We really are to generous to Truthers when we readily agree to debate their nonsense on the ground of their choosing.
 
We really are to generous to Truthers when we readily agree to debate their nonsense on the ground of their choosing.

Well put!

As far as many of us here are concerned (I know this is the case for myself) it's all for ****'s and giggles. Some day "truthers" will see the differences between debate and mocking and it will all be over.
 
I was trying to get him to be specific. I asked him to post it in a more apropriate thread. If that's considered off-topic in a general thread then so be it. As for bringing this to forum management: don't make me laugh.
 
I was trying to get him to be specific. I asked him to post it in a more apropriate thread. If that's considered off-topic in a general thread then so be it. As for bringing this to forum management: don't make me laugh.
I was doing the same thing.

Bill didn't want that so off to AAH it goes.
 
"We shall see" what? If you can pointlessly use the "boggie man" defense to extend this forever with no hope of conclusion.

That statement reminds me of how the Bush Crime Syndacate sold their never ending "War On Terror" to the nit wits in the US and around the globe after their long planned false flag attack...Fortunately, critical thinkers like myself and Bill Smith have helped to shatter the illusions of the ever conspiratorial elite war profiteering usurious slime who have long been entrenched in the corradors of power throughout the world.....Read "War Is A Racket" by General Smedley Butler...Once this obvious truth is understood, the rest of the the thinly disguised chicanery is easily detected. The end draws near for this self ordained ruling elite...It's almost over..
 
That statement reminds me of how the Bush Crime Syndacate sold their never ending "War On Terror" to the nit wits in the US and around the globe after their long planned false flag attack...Fortunately, critical thinkers like myself and Bill Smith have helped to shatter the illusions of the ever conspiratorial elite war profiteering usurious slime who have long been entrenched in the corradors of power throughout the world.....Read "War Is A Racket" by General Smedley Butler...Once this obvious truth is understood, the rest of the the thinly disguised chicanery is easily detected. The end draws near for this self ordained ruling elite...It's almost over..

Lol,calling yourself and bill "thinkers". Delicious!
 
That statement reminds me of how the Bush Crime Syndacate sold their never ending "War On Terror" to the nit wits in the US and around the globe after their long planned false flag attack...Fortunately, critical thinkers like myself and Bill Smith have helped to shatter the illusions of the ever conspiratorial elite war profiteering usurious slime who have long been entrenched in the corradors of power throughout the world.....Read "War Is A Racket" by General Smedley Butler...Once this obvious truth is understood, the rest of the the thinly disguised chicanery is easily detected. The end draws near for this self ordained ruling elite...It's almost over..

This is funny as hell. Rambling, irrational diatribes filled with misplaced arrogance and fury ROCK!
 
Eight seconds is how long it takes to figure out 9/11. Seven seconds to watch Building 7 fall to the ground, then another second to realise what the implications are.
Take that to CBS, NBC, and ABC and see how fast they reject your delusion. Lots of luck. Have you worked up your Pulitzer Prize package?
LOL


Any predictions on the next smoking gun, or "loaded gun" from the truth movement top delusion masters? Why did the super-nano-thermite fail to garner the Pulitzer? Was that the last big deal?

p4t had the cockpit door was closed for ground and air operations - pilots pee in pants - news at 11...

The 911 conspiracy theory fed bag is running out of steam the top liars selling fantasy and lies will have to find a new McGuffin to run their delusion mill.
 
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What's with you and the Pulitzer Price, beachnut? He died in 1-911.

edit: are you interested in what modern investigative journalists have to say about the media landscape and price-winning? Hear.
 
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I have been trying to understand the implications of the ae911truth Controlled Demolition hypothesis and what assumptions they are making. Can anyone help? I assume that their theory has to go something like that shown below. I would like someone from the truth movement to tell me if CD can take place without any of the steps below:

Planning
Probably need a min of a year to plan and impliment.
That means that Al Queda and Bush-Cheney are in contact as B_C win Nov election.
US develop a new thermite weapon that melts thick steel by pouring super-hot liquid onto it.
US develops explosives that can withstand extreme temperatures and that neither flash or make a noise when they explode.
The administration organize an elevator maintenance contract ..planning goes back more than a year..so perhaps Clinton admin also involved.?
The demo team employ engineers and analysts to do a detail demo analysis... to ensure that North Tower will fall on WTC 7 since the airplan will hit the tower in the direction that it has to fall. ( I wonder why they didnt come the other way. )
Demo team and plane team start coordination to make sure main explosives are located at the plane impact levels

Access for pre-demolition and weakening work
The elevator contract gets you access to about 30% of the core columns..
Access to other core columns and the facade columns is achieved by crawling through false ceiling and not putting your foot thro the acoustic ceiling (according to Gage)
The demo team crawl above the acoustic ceiling and remove fire protection, burn holes in columns, and weld on charges, without setting of fire alarms, without creating any dust and without disturbing people working late and without damaging the acoustic ceiling. (several hundred tons of explosive according to gage at multiple levels)
Nobody noticed

Implimentation
Airport security coordinate safe passage thro security for the plane team who then crash planes into towers at level where main explosives are located, and are able to avoid detonating the explosives.
The demo team wait until most people escape and then without warning demolish the South Tower which was the second tower to be hit, using silent, flashless nanothermite explosives at the impact level.
The demo team wait until more people escape from the North tower then without warning demolish the second tower using the same method, making sure that debris falls onto WTC7.
The demo team hang around all day and coordinate with their NYFD team to make sure they do not fight the WTC7 fire.
The demo team phone Larry Silverstein, the BBC and a large group of firemen to warn them that you are still going to demolish WTC7.. ( ooops was that their mistake or their plan, its difficult to imagine either. )
The demo team demolish WTC7 without killing anyone.

Cover-up and aftermath
The planning involves scientists, weapons development, engineers, demo specialists, comms teams, politicians, security teams and of course Al Queda - And no-one reports anything inconsistent with an attack.
The implimentation involves demo specialist, the elevator contractor team, welders, cutters, debris removers, equipment suppliers, explosive suppliers, drivers, look-outs, interior decorators, cleaners and all the tenants who worked late and WTC security, airport security, etc Again no-one reports anything inconsistent with an attack.
But the cover-up during the search and rescue stage was probably the most difficult to organize and had to include the thousands of contractors, police, firemen, engineers, and CIA who worked at the WTC site on the recovery and cleanup...to make sure that nobody noticed or reported anything unusual.

And the demo team continued to "explode" thermite in the pile, for weeks after the initial explosion, as the "red-hot steel is proof of thermite". But they made sure this thermite never actually cut steel in anything but expected locations.

Is there anything here inconsistent with the CD hypothesis.?
 
Good post, Bluesky. :)

Good luck finding two truthers who'll give you the same answer. ;)

Because the way that this 'big lie' is carried out is exactly how the 'big lie' of 9/11 is carried out. You buy or intimidate your bunch of scientists to say what you want them to say, you have your compliant media print and broadcast what you want and in this way you control the thinking of most of the people for most of the time.

And last but absolutely not least you have your teams of debunkers to shout down anybody who speaks out against the official line. Do you recognise yourselves here guys ? lol

That is all you you need to carry the 'big lie' forward. Here are two paragraphs that encapsulate this.


"All this was inspired by the principle -- which is quite true in itself -- that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily, and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes."


"Most people prefer to believe their leaders are just and fair even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which they live is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of a corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all."

No source, bill? :oldroll: Are you secretly ashamed to believe the same thing Hitler did (you should be), and are you a plagiarist?
 
I have been trying to understand the implications of the ae911truth Controlled Demolition hypothesis and what assumptions they are making. Can anyone help? I assume that their theory has to go something like that shown below. etc etc........
Much of what you post is spot on Bluesky but be aware of the big trap.

It is THEIR "hypothesis" and therefore their burden of proof. Don't fall for the trap of doing their job for them. They are using what is probably "Truthers Trick #1" - they propose a fantasy idea - their idea remember - then challenge you to flesh out the detail before you can show how it would not work.

If you do the leg work and prove that you fleshing out won't work they simply say either "your detail is wrong" OR they shift the goal posts.

It is their overall idea - make them specify the details THEN counter attack.
 
Much of what you post is spot on Bluesky but be aware of the big trap.

It is THEIR "hypothesis" and therefore their burden of proof. Don't fall for the trap of doing their job for them. They are using what is probably "Truthers Trick #1" - they propose a fantasy idea - their idea remember - then challenge you to flesh out the detail before you can show how it would not work.

If you do the leg work and prove that you fleshing out won't work they simply say either "your detail is wrong" OR they shift the goal posts.

It is their overall idea - make them specify the details THEN counter attack.

I don't think it is a trap. I personnally have dismissed the CD hypothesis by trying to prove it. A few tiny parts of the CD hypothesis can appear to make sense if you look at things in isolation such as their videos and sound clips. But if you ever try and put the theory together in a comprehensive way it looks like it is barking mad. This is why the ae911truth have 600 pictures and movie files without any connected arguments.

The fire and collapse hypothesis by Nist is the opposite. It makes holistic sense, although there are a few details and minor inconsistencies within it.

Forums such as this one, have succesfully tackled each point of the ae911truth arguments.

So I would like the ae911truth people to describe to me how a CD hypothesis could work outside of the method I described above. And of course the method I described is completely nuts.
 
Here's a great little movie for a debunker's happy Christmas. It's called 'Nanothernite' and in it Steven Jones pulls all the various threads of the technical aspects of 9/11 together. The science is clearly in as it is with Global Warming. But do we really have to accept blatant lies from the government as Truth ? What is going on with us ? Does this make nobody uneasy ?

http://world911truth.org/steven-jones-on-nanothermite/
 
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So I would like the ae911truth people to describe to me how a CD hypothesis could work outside of the method I described above. And of course the method I described is completely nuts.
Gage is not trying to solve anything, he is trying to raise money to spread his canned presentation to raise more money to travel. Gage can't shed light on 911 his is not qualified to do much more than take failed junk on 911 and repackage it.
 
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I was just looking at a handwritten record of an interview with Mineta, this bit in particular:

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(hotlinked, but from my own site)
Original document here

Mineta's saying as per usual that "VP was already at PEOC": fair enough. But what follows that? I can't make it out. "be ad L MevL", only something that makes sense, presumably a name as it's followed by "was there - as well as Karl Truscott". Can anyone think what it might mean?
 
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