Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

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yah I just gave him my 2 cents.

Hope he listened, cause overall he is one of the good guys.

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
yah I just gave him my 2 cents.

Hope he listened, cause overall he is one of the good guys.

TAM:)
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I find it odd that you consider someone a "good guy" just because he takes the same side of the argument as you. That's truly strange.
 
RedIbis said:
I find it odd that you consider someone a "good guy" just because he takes the same side of the argument as you. That's truly strange.
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The way I see it, he actively argues, debates, etc... with people who believe the nonsense that is 9/11 truth. That makes him a good guy in my book. It makes you one of the bad guys, unfortunately. This does not, in my opinion, reflect on how you are as a human being or person, of which I am sure you are "good". Just on things 9/11, you are on the wrong side.

I would call it human...not strange.

TAM:)
 
bill smith said:
Jeez bill is that so ? And were the debunkers not at all interested in exploring this fascinating way of looking at how a 'big lie' is propagated and maintained ? That's a surprise indeed.
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Talking to yourself in public Bill?
 
tuc0 said:
You actually almost have a point here which is why I'll give you a serious reply.

I used to be an AGW denier until two or three years ago (mostly for ideological reasons because the science of the issue is way over my head). What finally changed my mind were the parallels you point out. The whole CT angle of AGW, the idea that tens of thousands of scientists would lie for a handfull of dollars, is so laughably moronic that I felt embarassed when realized I fell for the same kind of idiotic arguments 9/11 deniers use. The same uneducated fools arguing things they don't understand; the same illiterate apeals to false authority and popularity; the same cherry-picked out of context quotes that actually mean the opposite of what the CTs claim they do; the same misunderstanding of what science is and how it works; the same distortions of facts and outright lies. So it was in fact people like you that made me reconsider my position on AGW.
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Sorry to lose you. But never mind I always say. There's planty more out there to bring the light to. It's working on the grand scale too. GW and 9/11 both.
 
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Bill;
What's this have to do with 9/11? Why don't you join one of the discussions of this in science or current events. They'll love you.
 
DGM said:
Bill;
What's this have to do with 9/11? Why don't you join one of the discussions of this in science or current events. They'll love you.
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Because the way that this 'big lie' is carried out is exactly how the 'big lie' of 9/11 is carried out. You buy or intimidate your bunch of scientists to say what you want them to say, you have your compliant media print and broadcast what you want and in this way you control the thinking of most of the people for most of the time.

And last but absolutely not least you have your teams of debunkers to shout down anybody who speaks out against the official line. Do you recognise yourselves here guys ? lol

That is all you you need to carry the 'big lie' forward. Here are two paragraphs that encapsulate this.


"All this was inspired by the principle -- which is quite true in itself -- that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily, and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes."


"Most people prefer to believe their leaders are just and fair even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which they live is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of a corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all."
 
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Here's another quote. One that applies to you and your ilk:

"This new learning amazes me. Tell me again how sheep's bladders may be used to prevent earthquakes."
 
bill smith said:
Because the way that this 'big lie' is carried out is exactly how the 'big lie' of 9/11 is carried out. You buy or intimidate your bunch of scientists to say what you want them to say, you have your compliant media print and broadcast what you want and in this way you control the thinking of most of the people for most of the time.
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This could be applied to all conspiracy thinking. It's an out for you, all you have to do is claim "they were bought" and your out of the argument without having to prove anything. So in the end it's just a way to extend the argument indefinitely with no chance of conclusion. Kind of pointless if you ask me.
 
DGM said:
This could be applied to all conspiracy thinking. It's an out for you, all you have to do is claim "they were bought" and your out of the argument without having to prove anything. So in the end it's just a way to extend the argument indefinitely with no chance of conclusion. Kind of pointless if you ask me.
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We shall see.
 
Yea. You can't get any more powerful debate mojo than claiming any evidence your opponent brings up is fake and any witnesses "in on it". Jesus bill, it's okay to lose an argument ONCE in a while; you can't always be right. No need to stack the deck.
 
GW derail and other off-topic posts (such as "reported") have been moved to AAH. Stay on topic & be civil.
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**** this ****! How can a discussion of the parallels between 9/11 and AGW CTs be considered off-topic in this thread??!?!?!?:confused:
 
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