Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

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orphia nay said:
:D No... I just used the word so that truthers can post something ignorant in reply and we get the lulz. :) ;)
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I don't know if these'll work but what the heck!

Gross negligence on the Truthers part:

1) Failure to provide sufficent evidence to prove said Conspiracy Theories surrounding 9/11.

2) Placing blame on anyone who opposes or discredits their theories and calling them "Shills", "Paid Agents" and such.

3) Providing a conspiracy to hide the truth that the terrorist plotted 9/11 Attacks. Conspiracy within a conspiracy by the conspiratists.

4) Denying evidence and substituting their own, without no credible sources or experts.
 
BigAl said:
Bumping myself
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There's quite a lot here, on the composition of the dust/smoke aerosol. Other studies I've read were - I recall - closer to GZ and didn't necessarily drift to the sampling location.
 
GlennB said:
There's quite a lot here, on the composition of the dust/smoke aerosol. Other studies I've read were - I recall - closer to GZ and didn't necessarily drift to the sampling location.
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Thanks, that's what I didn't bookmark the last time you posted it.
 
The Union of Concerned Scientists has gotten tens of thousands of signatures of scientists around the world castigating the Bush administration for distorting science for political ends. I wonder if that means that NIST (whch comes under the Dept. of Commerce) could have been lyng about 9/11 all along ? Haw Haw Haw.

Dr. Gruffin talks about that amongst much more in this 103-minute discussion about 'the mysterious collapse of WTC7' Enjoy.

http://www.electricpolitics.com/podcast/2009/10/building_seven.html
 
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orphia nay said:
They don't report explosions. They say the collapse sounded like explosions. It's called using a simile.

Noone heard explosions and saw flashes and then saw a collapse a second later. In all the youtube videos you've watched, haven't you ever seen a real demoliton?
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Plenty more where this came from....

'' Stephen Gregory -- Assistant Commissioner (F.D.N.Y.) We both for whatever reason -- again, I don't know how valid this is with everything that was going on at that particular point in time, but for some reason I thought that when I looked in the direction of the Trade Center before it came down, before No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes. In my conversation with Lieutenant Evangelista, never mentioning this to him, he questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I thought -- at that time I didn't know what it was. I mean, it could have been as a result of the building collapsing, things exploding, but I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down. ''
 
bill smith said:
The Union of Concerned Scientists has gotten tens of thousands of signatures of scientists around the world castigating the Bush administration for distorting science for political ends. I wonder if that means that NIST (whch comes under the Dept. of Commerce) could have been lyng about 9/11 all along ? Haw Haw Haw.

Dr. Gruffin talks about that amongst much more in this 103-minute discussion about 'the mysterious collapse of WTC7' Enjoy.

http://www.electricpolitics.com/podcast/2009/10/building_seven.html
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You find the dumbest videos and moronic information on 911; how do you post only lies and never any evidence? You never get anything correct and the proof is your complete lack of evidence. You laugh about the dead on 911 and present paranoid conspiracy theories to hide behind and apologize for terrorists by posting lies.

Bush is not in office. Did you miss that information along with all the facts on 911?
 
Controlled Demolition:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRaNwPGcQcM&feature=fvw

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WTC Collapse:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99Z6qoP-elw

In the CD video you can hear distinct explosions and see flashes.

In the WTC Collapse video all you hear is WTC2 collapsing on itself & the rumbling you hear is when the steel columns hit the ground & pavement. Not a single explosion could be heard on the video. Even from the helicopter pilots point of view, nothing was heard. And no flashes were seen either.

So the conclussion: WTCs' weren't a CD, not even WTC7.

Next time I'll put up the CD vs WTC7 Collapse and do a comparison, if this doesn't satisfy the Truthers.
 
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9/11ChewbaccaDefense said:
Controlled Demolition:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRaNwPGcQcM&feature=fvw

vs

WTC Collapse:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99Z6qoP-elw

In the CD video you can hear distinct explosions and see flashes.

In the WTC Collapse video all you hear is WTC2 collapsing on itself & the rumbling you hear is when the steel columns hit the ground & pavement. Not a single explosion could be heard on the video. Even from the helicopter pilots point of view, nothing was heard. And no flashes were seen either.

So the conclussion: WTCs' weren't a CD, not even WTC7.

Next time I'll put up the CD vs WTC7 Collapse and do a comparison, if this doesn't satisfy the Truthers.
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In the middle of this video you can hear the authentic explosions as the building comes down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ4dVo5QgYg Firemen's Testimony- Study

Compare Real to fake audio.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsoWbX6hCYk&NR=1 Real audio

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX9gdRST6zM&NR=1 Faked version
 
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bill smith said:
Plenty more where this came from....

'' Stephen Gregory -- Assistant Commissioner (F.D.N.Y.) We both for whatever reason -- again, I don't know how valid this is with everything that was going on at that particular point in time, but for some reason I thought that when I looked in the direction of the Trade Center before it came down, before No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes. In my conversation with Lieutenant Evangelista, never mentioning this to him, he questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I thought -- at that time I didn't know what it was. I mean, it could have been as a result of the building collapsing, things exploding, but I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down. ''
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http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/Mackey_drg_nist_review_2_1.pdf
Griffin is a liar and can't form rational conclusions; he sells books to gullible conspiracy theorists.

Stephen Gregory -- Assistant Commissioner (F.D.N.Y.) "
He said did you see any flashes? I said, yes, well, I thought it was just me. He said no, I saw them, too. I don't know if that means anything. I mean, I equate it to the building coming down and pushing things down, it could have been electrical explosions, it could have been whatever.​
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Gregory said it could have been whatever, Griffin makes up lies about what Griffin never saw. Griffin is the hearsay liar for 911 topics. Whatever Griffin concludes is a lie. And proof is you posted it as some kind of factual information when it is only delusions aimed to fool you and people who can't research and use logic to make rational conclusions.

An expert, Stephen Gregory -- Assistant Commissioner (F.D.N.Y.), does not think it is explosives, but your expert theologian, David Ray Griffin, a Christian Minister, pushes an insane theory of explosives without evidence, just hearsay. Poor Bill, you are mislead and unable to understand a single fact on 911. 8 years of failure of you, and 8 years of profits from gullible for Griffin. You should ask Griffin for a stipend for being his evidence free cheerleader.
 
beachnut said:
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/Mackey_drg_nist_review_2_1.pdf
Griffin is a liar and can't form rational conclusions; he sells books to gullible conspiracy theorists.

Gregory said it could have been whatever, Griffin makes up lies about what Griffin never saw. Griffin is the hearsay liar for 911 topics. Whatever Griffin concludes is a lie. And proof is you posted it as some kind of factual information when it is only delusions aimed to fool you and people who can't research and use logic to make rational conclusions.

An expert, Stephen Gregory -- Assistant Commissioner (F.D.N.Y.), does not think it is explosives, but your expert theologian, David Ray Griffin, a Christian Minister, pushes an insane theory of explosives without evidence, just hearsay. Poor Bill, you are mislead and unable to understand a single fact on 911. 8 years of failure of you, and 8 years of profits from gullible for Griffin. You should ask Griffin for a stipend for being his evidence free cheerleader.
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Give it up Beachnut and come out with your hands up.lol. If you listened to Griffin's interview you know that it is all over bar the screaming. Quite where we go from here I don't pretend to know.
 
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bill smith said:
In the middle of this video you can hear the authentic explosions as the building comes down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ4dVo5QgYg Firemen's Testimony- Study

Compare Real to fake audio.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsoWbX6hCYk&NR=1 Real audio

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX9gdRST6zM&NR=1 Faked Gov. version
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You know, I can always make 2 videos:

1 of the real thing

1 of me editting in explosive sounds with Windows Movie Maker.

Not really that hard to fake a Truther video. You've got nothing but editted videos pal. Sorry!

Just because people "heard" explosions doesn't mean they're really explosives.

If I heard a car backfiring and say it's a gun shot. How do I know if it's a gun shot or a car back firing?

Did I see people in the car pull a gun & shoot?

If it wasn't a gun then the only possible solution is that it was a car backfiring & not a gun.

Debunked!
 
9/11ChewbaccaDefense said:
You know, I can always make 2 videos:

1 of the real thing

1 of me editting in explosive sounds with Windows Movie Maker.

Not really that hard to fake a Truther video. You've got nothing but editted videos pal. Sorry!

Just because people "heard" explosions doesn't mean they're really explosives.

If I heard a car backfiring and say it's a gun shot. How do I know if it's a gun shot or a car back firing?

Did I see people in the car pull a gun & shoot?

If it wasn't a gun then the only possible solution is that it was a car backfiring & not a gun.

Debunked!
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lol
 
bill smith said:
In the middle of this video you can hear the authentic explosions as the building comes down.
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You excel at posting lies. Much easier to lie than to gain knowledge and form rational reality based statements on 911. Great example of a failed movement posting propaganda constantly googled without conscience.

Griffin fails to tell the truth, he sells lies and you post them. Fraud
 
beachnut said:
You excel at posting lies. Much easier to lie than to gain knowledge and form rational reality based statements on 911. Great example of a failed movement posting propaganda constantly googled without conscience.

Griffin fails to tell the truth, he sells lies and you post them. Fraud
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Beachnut,

See how Bill quickly left after I showed him that his videos were Window Movie Maker frauds & editted by the Truthers. He hated the fact that I brought up about the "Car Backfire vs. Gun Shot Sound" comment.

When Truthers do the old "LOL!" comment, it's usually when they run away.
 
Chewie,

I got excited when I saw that in your first few posts you ended them with some reference or what have you to Chewie. Now you never do it. :(

And I think Bill is a girl.
 
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