Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

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Niels Harrit said:
An explosive is defined as a process which develops gasses very quickly. In the ordinary black gun powder the gasses being developed there is carbon dioxide which everyone knows these days of the green house effect, and sulfur dioxide and some nitrogen oxide, and this is a mixture you know was invented in China, it was 1200 years ago or more, yea, about that. You mix carbon and sulfur and saltpeter and you get reacting and this develops actually not so very rapidly, but it develops rapidly carbon dioxide and sulfur dioxide and the gasses developed can then push a cannon ball out of the barrel. And it was not very efficient in the beginning, but has become more efficient later on. Now these days….but it’s a very nice picture actually, on what nano, on what the nano thermite is because in the gun powder, you have the ingredients I told about these chemical partners we have to react. In the gun powder, it is also a mixture of powders. It’s carbon and it’s sulfur and it’s saltpeter. But in modern explosives, the two partners are now in the same molecule which means that the trajectory of the electrons have to do when getting from one side to another is much smaller and this is why TNT or nitroglycerin or dynamite which are….they are so efficient because there the two partners are in the same molecule, and these are explosives. Now what happens when turn you ordinary thermite into nanothermite is that you are approaching the same situation as in a molecule with the classical explosives. There is a convergence between what we call bulk materials and what we call molecular materials and they are converging into nanotechnology. So you get the best of two worlds. You get all the energy of the thermite. There is more energy in the thermite than in dynamite or TNT. There is more energy in the thermite, but the classical thermite is slow. But when you convert it into nano technology it becomes fast and so you get an explosive which is more efficient than the classical explosives. It is smaller, cheaper, and nastier.
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What the...? That's written like a middle-school student's book report!
 
It reminds me of my first sniff of 9/11, heiwa was claiming that diesel contained less energy than C4. He should know better as marine engineer*, and so should Harrit, being a chemist.

*They do have some chemistry.
 
bill smith said:
All this silly arguing over fine detail does not matter any more Dave. We have found the unexploded thermite in the dust. We can still make it ignite energetically. IT IS THERE, AND WE HAVE PROVEN IT. That is enough.
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Bill, Why can't you just say "I don't know"? You know, no one here would fault you if you'd just admit you don't understand something. Now, answer Dave's question or admit you don't know.
 
Come on Bill, you can quote it and use the highlight and strike functions to indicate the true and false parts.
 
bill smith said:
All this silly arguing over fine detail does not matter any more Dave. We have found the unexploded thermite in the dust. We can still make it ignite energetically. IT IS THERE, AND WE HAVE PROVEN IT. That is enough.
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Bill admits that it's not really "nano-thermite". But rather paint chips that came off a steel column from the WTC stored at JFK Airport in Hanger 17.

Bill, we all know you lie! Give yourself to the Debunker Force!
 
Can anyone point to a JREF thread or discussion of the "Murray Street Engine"? I have searched about with no luck.

I bumped into a blog HERE which claims it could not have come from Flight 175. From the blog:


Christopher King said:
So. We have two data points indicating that the Murray Street engine is a Pratt and Whitney JT9D-7 series engine: the HPT Stage 1 Cooling Duct Assembly which the manufacturer indicates is for use only with the 7 series engine, and we have the diffuser casing of the Murray Street engine matching perfectly the diffuser casing of a 747 engine --for which model of Boeing aircraft Weezula says the JT9D-7 series engine was exclusively used.

So. All data so far seem to indicate that the Murray Street engine is not a JT9D-7R4D engine, as would have been on Flight 175. (And the Murray Street engine certainly is not a GE CF6 engine from Flight 11.)

Unless I'm missing something --and I don't think that I am, though I am no engine expert-- how did a 7-series 747 engine wind up on Murray Street?

Unless I'm missing something, that engine did not come from Flight 175.

So, then, what struck the South Tower? And, uh, where is Flight 175?
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tia

Compus
 
This is another variation on the "engine at the pentagon didn't come from flight 77" motif.

And that was completely and utterly destroyed.

The claim on the Blog is crap, based on a photo that is not clearly recognizable, and yet it doesn't show what an engine w/out the diffuser case looks like on a 767... I wonder why he didn't look that up.

of course here is another angle of the murray street engine at staten island landfill.
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CompusMentus said:
Can anyone point to a JREF thread or discussion of the "Murray Street Engine"? I have searched about with no luck.

I bumped into a blog HERE which claims it could not have come from Flight 175. From the blog:





tia

Compus
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So "they" were able to fake the video (and what people saw) so well that no one (with half a brain) has questioned what kind of aircraft it was but, "they" couldn't place the right engine? The depths of stupidity of these morons never fails to amaze me.
 
LCF disillusionment

Jackchit, an old favorite here, has now expressed his disappointment with the current Loose Change Forums.

No disrespect but this forum must be having the last rights(sic) read at the moment, I thought there maybe a few extra members after the release of 'american coup' but obviously anyone who has seen the film would not venture to the end of the movie less make any effort to find out more.
Sorry to say but this forum and the loose change brand as a whole has lost direction.
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He goes on further to say this about "American Coup":


I was so excited when I sat down to watch it with my new wife but it soon became apparent that it was far too much too keep the attention of a newbie when my missus picked up the laptop and began playing text express after half an hour...
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No hot springs that night.

LCF - always good for a nightcap chuckle.

Goodnight.
 
If anybodyody needed absoute proof that the media ignore the 9/11 Truth Movement they only have to read he recent issue of 'The New Statesman' which is a leading left-leaning publication in Britain. While they only ever mention Truthers in pejorative terms this edition leaves no doubt about how important and significant they really consider us. They place Lord DR Griffn (who they describe as a 'top truther') as the 41st most important person in the world out of the top 50.

Pretty good for a movement that you all said was dead for the last several years. lol

http://www.newstatesman.com/global-issues/2009/09/world-fashion-gay-india-church
 
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willhaven said:
Strange how this "real audio" is the only video with explosion audio available. Almost as if the "real video" were the fake one and the "fake video" were the real one.

Maybe we should get Sherlock Holmes on the case to see if he can figure this one out for us.
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Well you hear the audio of at most a few dozen video cameras (virtually all of which may have been under government control) does not come close to trumping the eyewitness testimony of hundreds or thousands of people.

It only draws attenton to the fact that the audio has been doctored.

PS. Here is a video with witness statements. Jeez look at the amount of views. That's a few hundred thousand up on this time last month...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw
 
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bill smith said:
http://www.newstatesman.com/global-issues/2009/09/world-fashion-gay-india-church
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That list has way more than 50 people on it.

FROM THE LINK said:
41-50 on our diverse list of individuals, couples and families changing the world, for good and ill. Including Jay-Z, Hugo Chávez and Anna Wintour
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44. Hugo Chávez Bolívar's boy
43. Joaquín "Shorty" Guzmán Cocaine knight

There you have it DRG is worst than Hugo Chávez or a Mexican cocaine kingpin. Good job Agent Smith what would the NWO do with out a troll like you.
 
TokenMac said:
That list has way more than 50 people on it.




44. Hugo Chávez Bolívar's boy
43. Joaquín "Shorty" Guzmán Cocaine knight

There you have it DRG is worst than Hugo Chávez or a Mexican cocaine kingpin. Good job Agent Smith what would the NWO do with out a troll like you.
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No 8. Osama Bin Laden
Terrorist-in-chief.

Yes, Bill, Griffin isn't quite as important and significant as UBL yet, but I am sure with your help your Lord (and master) will get there.
 
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bill smith said:
Well you hear the audio of at most a few dozen video cameras (virtually all of which may have been under government control) does not come close to trumping the eyewitness testimony of hundreds or thousands of people.

It only draws attenton to the fact that the audio has been doctored.
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Wait, you wanna say, that ALL the audio of all videos from that day was edited?

Because I have watched many of such videos and haven't seen a single one, that let me hear detonations you could compare to real controlled demolitions.

And does anyone think it's odd, that the goverment is capable of editing all these independend videos, without someone saying: "Hey thats not what i have heard/filmed there."

Hmm, must be another magic trick of them, like planting bombs in a BURNING building... (just for the record: If you put a bomb on fire, the igniter will go off, so thats a pretty bad idea.)

Oh, and its also a magic trick to edit something completely OUT of a track. Every karaoke fan can tell you, that this is impossible.

bill smith said:
PS. Here is a video with witness statements. Jeez look at the amount of views. That's a few hundred thousand up on this time last month...
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There were explosions in those buildings? No way... :rolleyes:

Explosions in a burning building, are like whores in a brothel. And no, not only Explosives can cause an explosion.

Look at the Windsor Tower:

The fire started around 11:30 p.m. Saturday and was still burning out of control several hours later. At least nine upper stories were on fire and muffled explosions could be heard in the building.
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The blaze was still raging out of control in the early hours of Sunday, having breached a fire wall on the 17th floor and reached almost to street level. Explosions could be heard within the building and authorities cordoned off a zone some 500 metres in diameter in case it should collapse.
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I guess this was a CD too...

And i'm not sure, if you have ever seen a real CD, but the Explosions occur shortly before the collaps, not minutes or hours before.
 
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Kevin.Silbstedt said:
Wait, you wanna say, that ALL the audio of all videos from that day was edited?

Because I have watched many of such videos and haven't seen a single one, that let me hear detonations you could compare to real controlled demolitions.

And does anyone think it's odd, that the goverment is capable of editing all these independend videos, without someone saying: "Hey thats not what i have heard/filmed there."

Hmm, must be another magic trick of them, like planting bombs in a BURNING building... (just for the record: If you put a bomb on fire, the igniter will go off, so thats a pretty bad idea.)

Oh, and its also a magic trick to edit something completely OUT of a track. Every karaoke fan can tell you, that this is impossible.



There were explosions in those buildings? No way... :rolleyes:

Explosions in a burning building, are like whores in a brothel. And no, not only Explosives can cause an explosion.

Look at the Windsor Tower:





I guess this was a CD too...

And i'm not sure, if you have ever seen a real CD, but the Explosions occur shortly before the collaps, not minutes or hours before.
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Hey.. remember all those firemen who described WTC7 like this ?- '' It as fully involved in fire, all 47 floors from floor to ceiling ''

Can you guess which of the two buildings on fire is WTC7 in this video ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEPjOi2dQSM Any Questions ?
 
bill smith said:
Hey.. remember all those firemen who described WTC7 like this ?- '' It as fully involved in fire, all 47 floors from floor to ceiling ''

Can you guess which of the two buildings on fire is WTC7 in this video ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEPjOi2dQSM Any Questions ?
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I got a question:

Why do you show a building, with steel encased in concrete, just so you can try and prove that WTC7 should've survived that same kind of fire?

WTC7 was build differently than that building.

Sorry but what kind of proof you got Bill?
 
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