what will be even funnier, is seeing the looks of shame and embarrassment on their faces in 5 or 10 years, when these guys realize what IDIOTS they were.
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what will be even funnier, is seeing the looks of shame and embarrassment on their faces in 5 or 10 years, when these guys realize what IDIOTS they were.
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what will be even funnier, is seeing the looks of shame and embarrassment on their faces in 5 or 10 years, when these guys realize what IDIOTS they were.
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on the contrary, I believe this may be a permanent condition.
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i like how louis keeps sayin "but im just asking questions" lol
TJM
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Neither one will look the other in the eye. A pretty good tell.
pooooooor wiiiiiiiiiiddle Luke doesnt like the tables turned.
Karma is a biotch!
funk de fino
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From the Washington subway crash we had an interview from a girl who was on the train that was hit.
She said "it felt like an explosion"
Must have been nano thermite then eh?
She said "it felt like an explosion"
Must have been nano thermite then eh?
Peter Dale Scott is supposed to be a Big Truther Name, a (relatively) responsible author who can add some scholarly weight to their ranks. So I was interested to see even a partial transcript of a new interview with him flagged on 911blogger. Interested until I read it, anyway.
So not only does he still think that the June 2001 changes made it necessary to get Rumsfeld's approval for intercepts, but Scott also believes that Cheney was most likely responsible for this change, based solely on the fact that his office was supposed to be overseeing the coordination of programmes dealing with consequence management (what might happen if a city was hit by a dirty bomb, chemical attack etc, related drills and exercises). That's not really "counter terrorism", but even if it was that wouldn't give Cheney the right to change intercept policy. And the change didn't mean what Scott thinks anyway.
But not only that, he seems to think the Commission Report also blamed the changes in the rules for the lack of intercepts, at least in part? Hmmm. Somehow I don't believe Scott's quite the big hitter the truthers believe.
So not only does he still think that the June 2001 changes made it necessary to get Rumsfeld's approval for intercepts, but Scott also believes that Cheney was most likely responsible for this change, based solely on the fact that his office was supposed to be overseeing the coordination of programmes dealing with consequence management (what might happen if a city was hit by a dirty bomb, chemical attack etc, related drills and exercises). That's not really "counter terrorism", but even if it was that wouldn't give Cheney the right to change intercept policy. And the change didn't mean what Scott thinks anyway.
But not only that, he seems to think the Commission Report also blamed the changes in the rules for the lack of intercepts, at least in part? Hmmm. Somehow I don't believe Scott's quite the big hitter the truthers believe.
funk de fino
Dreaming of unicorns
he is also backing up a Ruppert claim
epic fail
epic fail
Dave Rogers
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I like this little exchange at the end of the segment.
This, from someone who clearly hasn't bothered to check whether his sources mean what Michael Ruppert says they mean, registers high on my irony meter.
Dave
This, from someone who clearly hasn't bothered to check whether his sources mean what Michael Ruppert says they mean, registers high on my irony meter.
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Pentagon, AA77, Air guard
Retired Major General David Wherley and his wife Ann were 2 of the victims
of the Washington Metro accident yesterday
General Wherley was the commander of the DC Air Guard 113 Figter Wing
which he ordered scrambled on 9/11
RIP General
Waiting fopr twofers to claim was "murdered" 3, 2, 1........
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/Metro-crash-victims-David-and-Ann-Wherley-48911917.html
Retired Major General David Wherley and his wife Ann were 2 of the victims
of the Washington Metro accident yesterday
General Wherley was the commander of the DC Air Guard 113 Figter Wing
which he ordered scrambled on 9/11
RIP General
Waiting fopr twofers to claim was "murdered" 3, 2, 1........
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/Metro-crash-victims-David-and-Ann-Wherley-48911917.html
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Heiwa..I think that David chandler has been reading your posts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG2y50Wyys4&eurl=http://www.911blogger.com/&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG2y50Wyys4&eurl=http://www.911blogger.com/&feature=player_embedded
ALWAYS A GOOD MOVE to crash trains and planes when you want to take someone out quietly.
I mean why be subtle?
"Here is a warning to all you investigooglers...if you try and uncover our super duper secret plot we will kill you in a highly public manner for trying to keep our plot (which was super duper secret) a non-secret. Also if you were part of our plot (sorry but there are soo many we cant keep track) or we think you were part of our plot and we think or someone tells us that you might go public we will kill you by bringing down planes, trains, buildings, etc becuase our secret plot MUST STAY SECRET!!!!!"
Wouldn't it have been easier to dump some missiles in the desert instead of go through all this?
Hell why not just fake finding a nuke in the US?
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LOL it looks like ATS finally clamped down and prevented Craig from using their site to spam his videos.
Craig is over at CIT CULT HQ crying about it.
Of course ATS has always had this policy and like any forum/business they can chose when and where to enforce their policy.
This doesnt stop the CIT CULT thought to ponder about ATS true motives and now of course ATS is trying to keep the truth down!!!!
EEEEEEK!!!!
Craig is over at CIT CULT HQ crying about it.
Of course ATS has always had this policy and like any forum/business they can chose when and where to enforce their policy.
This doesnt stop the CIT CULT thought to ponder about ATS true motives and now of course ATS is trying to keep the truth down!!!!
EEEEEEK!!!!
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Everybody knows ATS was set up as a 'Honeytrap' to gather the majority of gullible conspiracy theorists and right-wing security risks into one place. That way they already have an itemized list of who to toss into the FEMA pokeys when they come online any day now.
Rest assured Roger Misner will be driving one of the buses to the camps, after he gets done with his morning shift behind the wheel of the Sleep Inn BWI airport shuttle.
Rest assured Roger Misner will be driving one of the buses to the camps, after he gets done with his morning shift behind the wheel of the Sleep Inn BWI airport shuttle.
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*sigh*
It's really really sad when a youtuber falls for an open prediction of his actions. I haven't done much CT material on youtube in a few months so I figured I'd share this chuckle
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Anyone think I should stundie this purely for him doing this after giving him an open window to catch me off guard?
It's really really sad when a youtuber falls for an open prediction of his actions. I haven't done much CT material on youtube in a few months so I figured I'd share this chuckle
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Anyone think I should stundie this purely for him doing this after giving him an open window to catch me off guard?
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By Nik Green
'' hose who implicitly believe the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 can fall back on the 9/11 Commission to back up their arguments. However, was the 9/11 Commission the last word in uncovering the "who and how" of the operation?
Let's look at the 9/11 Commission and what various people within that inquiry have said:
First off, the Bush Administration refused to authorize any inquiry for 441 days (a most unexpected non-reaction to the worst ever attack on US soil), as well appointing Henry Kissinger as Commission chairman who stepped down rather than reveal his client list. Once the inquiry was authorized with extreme reluctance on the part of the Bush White House, they promised it would be the fullest investigation "no stones to be left unturned".
Unfortunately, according to the most senior Commissioners, this was far from the case.
*The Bush White House did everything in its power to derail an open inquiry. Then, when faced with its inevitability, the president and his aides sought to limit its scope, its access and its funding.
*John Farmer, the lead counsel to the Commission, claims that the greater part of the Commission's findings "are untrue". He also states: “The Commission's co-chairs said that the CIA (and likely the White House) "obstructed our investigation". Indeed, they said that the 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials misrepresented the facts to the Commission, and the Commission considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements.
John Farmer also said: "I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described .... The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years.... This is not spin. This is not true."
*9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that "There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn't have access . . . ."
*9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said "We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting".
*9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: "It is a national scandal"; "This investigation is now compromised"; and "One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up",” and also “at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened.
*The intimidation of witnesses in a criminal trial is a very serious offense. Throughout the 9/11 Commission hearings, Government "minders" aggressively intimidated Commission witnesses on a wholesale basis, with impunity.
*CIA chief Tenet demonstrably lied to the Commissioners in closed session meetings.
*Despite the common awareness in the intelligence and law enforcement community that torture is a counterproductive method of obtaining worthwhile information, the huge majority of the Commission's "evidence" was extracted by torturing supposed suspects.
* Former VP Cheney provably lied to the 9/11 Commission regarding his movements and whereabouts in the critical period of time shortly after the attacks started.
* After both President Bush and VP Cheney initially refused to testify to the Commission under oath, their testimony was secret, behind closed doors, no cameras or transcripts allowed, and no questions by reporters. Does "executive privilege" extend to this degree of obfuscation?
*A document recently discovered in the National Archives shows that, in a memo to the 9/11 Commission’s chairman and vice-chairman on false statements made by NORAD and FAA officials about the failure of US air defenses, the commission’s Executive Director Philip Zelikow failed to mention the possibility of a criminal referral. This supports allegations that Zelikow “buried” the option of a criminal referral by the commission to the Justice Department for a perjury investigation.
* The overwhelming proportion of evidence, some 90% heard by the Commission was not included in the Commission's final report; this report has been described as a classic example of "dry labbing". In scientific circles this means "starting out with a theory, which you then prove by omitting all contrary material. The responsibility for this fiasco clearly fell with the Commission's executive director, Philip Zelikow, a Bush White House official, who determined which material was to be published, and which was to be ignored and erased.
*Both 9/11 Commission co-chairs Kean and Hamilton haves stated publicly that the 9/11 Commission was "deliberately set up to fail" by the Bush/Cheney White House. The 9/11 Commission Report is no better than a 571 page lie.
In the light of this information, the 9/11 Commission was clearly at the very best, severely hobbled; at the worst, it was bogus, a complete failure, its conclusions worthless garbage: a national disgrace with treasonous implications. According to the latest polls, the nation is divided about 50:50 on either supporting a new, real, no-holds barred investigation with full subpoena powers... or to let the matter rest and "move on". This latter group is clearly either unaware of the facts behind the 9/11 Commission's failure, or do not want to know. America and the world deserves far better than to let the matter rest; we are now in the insane situation that the worst crime of our lifetime remains uninvestigated, unsolved, and unpunished. Our alleged representatives in Washington DC appear to have closed ranks in keeping this nasty chapter in our history secret.
If all the people people asking the difficult questions are "conspiracy theorists", then the US Government should have no difficulty addressing these questions and evidence. In other words, lets have a real, no-holds-barred investigation with full subpoena power, to put this matter to rest once and for all. Common sense tells us that we should be suspicious of anyone in office who is against such an inquiry.''
'' hose who implicitly believe the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 can fall back on the 9/11 Commission to back up their arguments. However, was the 9/11 Commission the last word in uncovering the "who and how" of the operation?
Let's look at the 9/11 Commission and what various people within that inquiry have said:
First off, the Bush Administration refused to authorize any inquiry for 441 days (a most unexpected non-reaction to the worst ever attack on US soil), as well appointing Henry Kissinger as Commission chairman who stepped down rather than reveal his client list. Once the inquiry was authorized with extreme reluctance on the part of the Bush White House, they promised it would be the fullest investigation "no stones to be left unturned".
Unfortunately, according to the most senior Commissioners, this was far from the case.
*The Bush White House did everything in its power to derail an open inquiry. Then, when faced with its inevitability, the president and his aides sought to limit its scope, its access and its funding.
*John Farmer, the lead counsel to the Commission, claims that the greater part of the Commission's findings "are untrue". He also states: “The Commission's co-chairs said that the CIA (and likely the White House) "obstructed our investigation". Indeed, they said that the 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials misrepresented the facts to the Commission, and the Commission considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements.
John Farmer also said: "I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described .... The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years.... This is not spin. This is not true."
*9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that "There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn't have access . . . ."
*9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said "We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting".
*9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: "It is a national scandal"; "This investigation is now compromised"; and "One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up",” and also “at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened.
*The intimidation of witnesses in a criminal trial is a very serious offense. Throughout the 9/11 Commission hearings, Government "minders" aggressively intimidated Commission witnesses on a wholesale basis, with impunity.
*CIA chief Tenet demonstrably lied to the Commissioners in closed session meetings.
*Despite the common awareness in the intelligence and law enforcement community that torture is a counterproductive method of obtaining worthwhile information, the huge majority of the Commission's "evidence" was extracted by torturing supposed suspects.
* Former VP Cheney provably lied to the 9/11 Commission regarding his movements and whereabouts in the critical period of time shortly after the attacks started.
* After both President Bush and VP Cheney initially refused to testify to the Commission under oath, their testimony was secret, behind closed doors, no cameras or transcripts allowed, and no questions by reporters. Does "executive privilege" extend to this degree of obfuscation?
*A document recently discovered in the National Archives shows that, in a memo to the 9/11 Commission’s chairman and vice-chairman on false statements made by NORAD and FAA officials about the failure of US air defenses, the commission’s Executive Director Philip Zelikow failed to mention the possibility of a criminal referral. This supports allegations that Zelikow “buried” the option of a criminal referral by the commission to the Justice Department for a perjury investigation.
* The overwhelming proportion of evidence, some 90% heard by the Commission was not included in the Commission's final report; this report has been described as a classic example of "dry labbing". In scientific circles this means "starting out with a theory, which you then prove by omitting all contrary material. The responsibility for this fiasco clearly fell with the Commission's executive director, Philip Zelikow, a Bush White House official, who determined which material was to be published, and which was to be ignored and erased.
*Both 9/11 Commission co-chairs Kean and Hamilton haves stated publicly that the 9/11 Commission was "deliberately set up to fail" by the Bush/Cheney White House. The 9/11 Commission Report is no better than a 571 page lie.
In the light of this information, the 9/11 Commission was clearly at the very best, severely hobbled; at the worst, it was bogus, a complete failure, its conclusions worthless garbage: a national disgrace with treasonous implications. According to the latest polls, the nation is divided about 50:50 on either supporting a new, real, no-holds barred investigation with full subpoena powers... or to let the matter rest and "move on". This latter group is clearly either unaware of the facts behind the 9/11 Commission's failure, or do not want to know. America and the world deserves far better than to let the matter rest; we are now in the insane situation that the worst crime of our lifetime remains uninvestigated, unsolved, and unpunished. Our alleged representatives in Washington DC appear to have closed ranks in keeping this nasty chapter in our history secret.
If all the people people asking the difficult questions are "conspiracy theorists", then the US Government should have no difficulty addressing these questions and evidence. In other words, lets have a real, no-holds-barred investigation with full subpoena power, to put this matter to rest once and for all. Common sense tells us that we should be suspicious of anyone in office who is against such an inquiry.''
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What was the FBI doing? You post moronic lies for no reason. You posted SPAM about 911 and failed to tie it to a conclusions save the fact you post the dumbest junk that means northing about 911. You have no original ideas and post old junk debunked years ago. You have done it again and again posting lies and running off to post more lies the more moronic the better.
You show no skepticism to the junk you post and act as if the lies, hearsay and delusions you post are evidence.
So you can cut and post; when will you figure out 911? The passengers of Flight 93 did it in minutes why after 7 years and 9 months are you posting lies. It takes minutes to figure out 911! Why are you so slow?
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How do you know Farmer's claims have anything to do with the core facts of 9/11, that 19 Arab Islamists lead by bin Laden hijacked 4 jets and crashed them, killing 3,000 people in the process.
It appears that John Farmers book hasn't seen daylight and I wouldn't go quoting from any book I hadn't read in it's entirety. I wonder what is delaying the publishing of the Farmer book. Fact check failure, maybe?
The rest of your quotes are cherry-picked crap.
It's just about cherrypicking season. Here's Bill doing what he does best.
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