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Richard Gage's "700" architects is a gross over exaggeration... About 2/3rds of the people on his list are not even qualified architects or engineers...

And even if they were all valid, 700 is a tiny fraction of 1% of the amount of architects and engineers in the USA, let alone the world.

Their "700" is hardly as impressive as they pump it up to be...
 
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Richard Gage's "700" architects is a gross over exaggeration... About 2/3rds of the people on his list are not even qualified architects or engineers...

And even if they were all valid, 700 is a tiny fraction of 1% of the amount of architects and engineers in the USA, let alone the world.

Their "700" is hardly as impressive as they pump it up to be...

Don't even need to look at their numbers. Their main website is representative of the credibility of the group as a whole; professionally incompetent rubbish and malpractice of principals relating to their fields of study. Openly supporting that sort of incompetent malpractice pretty much says everything about their qualifications relative to this subject.
 
Anyone knows that a building cannot collapse at the rate of a freely falling object while simultaneously crushing 40,000 tons of structural steel – because all of its gravitational potential energy has been converted to motion.

What direction does gravity have it's most effect Bill? Hint: It's not upward.
 
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Anyone knows that a building cannot collapse at the rate of a freely falling object [...] because all of its gravitational potential energy has been converted to motion.


Wow! :eek:
 
Another very excitng letter from Richard Gage. Watch them circle the wagons. The Injuns are gonna win this one boys ...sure as eggs is eggs.

Marvin J. Malecha, FAIA
President, American Institute of Architects
1735 New York Ave., NW
Washington, DC 20006-5292
July 20, 2009
Re: Response to July 1, 2009 Letter “Decline of request to meet with the Board”

Dear Mr. Malecha,
It is with great regret that I read in your letter the decline of our request to meet with you and the AIA Board. We wrote to you that we now have over 700 architects and engineers at AE911Truth calling for a real investigation into the destruction of the three World Trade Center high-rises on 9/11. Now, as a result of our latest successful exhibit booth and class at the Washington DC conference last week we have over 45 AIA members signed on.

At what point will you take us seriously? Perhaps when our rapidly growing numbers reach 1,000 ?

You note that “We believe that the NIST investigation and the resulting NIST report are valid and credible.” But how can they possibly be valid and credible when:
1. NIST’s November 2009 Final WTC 7 Investigative Report has many fatal flaws:

a. NIST is forced to acknowledge the free-fall collapse of Building 7 for 100 feet of its 6.5 second fall, only after being grilled publicly by experts who are petition signers of AE911Truth. Yet they do not acknowledge the obvious implications of such free-fall collapse – that the structure had to have been removed – forcibly – by explosives. (Anyone knows that a building cannot collapse at the rate of a freely falling object while simultaneously crushing 40,000 tons of structural steel – because all of it’s gravitational potential energy has been converted to motion.)

b. NIST falsifies evidence of fires on the critical 12th floor (video and photos document that the fires had burned at least an hour before collapse – at the theorized area of collapse initiation).

c. NIST simply eliminates the evidence of melted steel documented thoroughly in Appendix C of the former FEMA BPAT report: “Rapid oxidation, intergranular melting, sulfidation… evaporation of steel.” These processes are simply not possible with “normal office fires” which NIST cites as the cause of this building’s unprecedented catastrophic failure. (See notes below for temperature comparisons.)

d. NIST’s computer simulations of WTC 7 look nothing like the straight-down symmetrical collapse seen in all of the videos. The animations reveal the building top “folding in on itself” – then the simulation is actually stopped - only half way through – at the point at which the model appears to begin to behave like a natural process of collapse – asymetricallly – falling...

read full letter:-
http://www.ae911truth.org/downloads/Letter_to_AIA_-_Melacha-_7-19-09a.pdf
 
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so essentially a repeat of the previous one... how original... =O
 
Another very excitng letter from Richard Gage. Watch them circle the wagons. The Injuns are gonna win this one boys .
... http://www.ae911truth.org/downloads/Letter_to_AIA_-_Melacha-_7-19-09a.pdf
Do you have something to say about your post of delusional claptrap?

No, you don't have any supporting evidence you post lies and then post more. Why don't you support your posts with evidence? Because there is no evidence to support the failed ideas of Gage.

How do you have the ability to post the anti-intellectual aspects of 911? Is this a learned skill or a natural talent? Gage calling NIST liars while he is just a simple fraud using donated money to travel around the world spreading his lies and impressing the dolts who give him money. What a neat scam; fooling the willfully ignorant.
 
so essentially a repeat of the previous one... how original... =O
www.ae911truth.org has become undeniably muscular. It's just great seeing Richard start to flex those muscles and to see the AIA shrink away cringing. I expect no more from NIST. Now we can flog these and other bodies mercilessly. Something is going to give girls.... I know it- you know it.
 
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I know this has been said before, but ... From the quoted bits of Mr. Smith I see here, he is surely not a real person. 2,800 posts since Feb, and virtually none make sense. When one did, he actually disavowed saying it. Based on this, I think that Bill is probably 4 drunk college students with a Blackberry, messing with everyone around here. (Possibly the same for Heiwa)

Veering onto the topic, if the only adherents to the 9/11 "truth" religion / cult / whatever exhibit his lack of insight, the movement may finally die soon. The bright side is that it doesn't exist at all outside of the internet.
 
www.ae911truth.org has become undeniably muscular. It's just great seing Richard start to flex those muscles and to see the AIA shrink away cringing. I expect no more from NIST. Now we can flog these and other bodies mercilessly. Something is going to give girls.... I know it- you know it.
You have some woefully strange fantasies :)
 
Richard Gage's "700" architects is a gross over exaggeration... About 2/3rds of the people on his list are not even qualified architects or engineers...

And even if they were all valid, 700 is a tiny fraction of 1% of the amount of architects and engineers in the USA, let alone the world.

Their "700" is hardly as impressive as they pump it up to be...
It is a matter of fooling 700 people. Gage found 700 gullible fools (until they see Gage is a liar they are fools and idiots on 911) to fund his travels with cash.

Fraud is alive and Gage is a capitalist apologizing for terrorist to fool the few, the fringe, the nut case idea believing conspiracy theorists; some of them don't know they are conspiracy theorists.
 
It is a matter of fooling 700 people. Gage found 700 gullible fools (until they see Gage is a liar they are fools and idiots on 911) to fund his travels with cash.

Fraud is alive and Gage is a capitalist apologizing for terrorist to fool the few, the fringe, the nut case idea believing conspiracy theorists; some of them don't know they are conspiracy theorists.

777 architects and engineers currently. Is it time to start rounding up to 800 ? Maybe I'll wait till next week. A&E are not conspiracy theorists and are not part of the Truth Movement. They are licenced and degreed professionsals who are calling for a new 9/11 enquiry because of their extreme doubts about the veracity of the government ccount of 9/11 based on their own training and scientific research.
 
777 architects and engineers currently. Is it time to start rounding up to 800? Maybe I'll wait till next week.
The numbers can go up and down as they please; however that will not absolve their claims of the irresponsibility and malpractice behind them. :)

A&E are not conspiracy theorists and are not part of the Truth Movement.
And that is why their group is called AE911truth? :)

They are licenced and degreed professionsals who are calling for a new 9/11 enquiry because of their extreme doubts about the veracity of the government count of 9/11 based on their own training and scientific research.

I've said this before and I will continue saying it whether you like it or not. Their professional status has nothing to do with the merits of their conclusions. Having seen their inability to practice basic procedure in case studies and damage analysis it speaks volumes more to me than their degreed status. And it will remain that way until the day they finally stop deliberately obfuscating their deceptive practices, which they do a horrible job at hiding in the first place. :)
 
The numbers can go up and down as they please; however that will not absolve their claims of the irresponsibility and malpractice behind them. :)


And that is why their group is called AE911truth? :)



I've said this before and I will continue saying it whether you like it or not. Their professional status has nothing to do with the merits of their conclusions. Having seen their inability to practice basic procedure in case studies and damage analysis it speaks volumes more to me than their degreed status. And it will remain that way until the day they finally stop deliberately obfuscating their deceptive practices, which they do a horrible job at hiding in the first place. :)

Fortunately the numbers tend to consistently go up much more than they tend to go down. Not much use in you denying that.


What you call ' irresponsibility and malpractice ' I call Patrotism, moral recitude and boundless courage.

Because they use the word 'Truth' in their name does not make them a part of the Truth Movement.

Their licenced and degreed status is what makes them unassailably credible. They have at least one of the world's foremost structural damage analysts among their ranks in the person of our own famous 'Heiwa'.

So whether you like it or not this is the situation you are faced with. I would say the debunker condition is terminal.
 
Fortunately the numbers tend to consistently go up much more than they tend to go down. Not much use in you denying that.
I don't really care about them in the first place since appeals to popularity don't tell me anything about the credibility of their organization.

What you call ' irresponsibility and malpractice ' I call Patrotism, moral recitude and boundless courage
The difference being apparently:

I call it malpractice and irresponsibility on the grounds that their claims are factually incorrect when placed under the scrutiny of known principals of their respective fields of study

And you define it as patriotism, moral rectitude and boundless courage for "raging against the machine."

I'm noticing a trend here. The former actually studies and is familiar with the known principals in the related fields of study; the latter on the other hand lacks every basic qualification of study in the related fields and will eat crap hook line and sinker :)


Their licenced and degreed status is what makes them unassailably credible.
See what I mean? :)


Because they use the word 'Truth' in their name does not make them a part of the Truth Movement.
uh-huh :rolleyes:

They have at least one of the world's foremost structural damage analysts among their ranks in the person of our own famous 'Heiwa'.
Wow. You put these two things into the same sentence. That's "impressive" *wink* *wink*

So whether you like it or not this is the situation you are faced with.
If professional incompetence is your best offensive against competent practice, then I'm quite relieved to hear that. But I cringe at what defeat must feel like for you...

I would say the debunker condition is terminal.
I can't help it... incompetence and idiot speak are two things I can't stand doing... :)
 
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