Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

[Audible Click]

a funny thing. I wrote the following post yesterday.

'' Well for the reasons I gave in the post you reference I find it impossible to believe that the fragile delicate aircraft negotiated those massive obstacles by way of bludgeoning it's way tthrough. But at the time time I also find it hard to believe that the perps would NOT have used real planes and resorted to the use of holograms or injected images of planes. That just seems too cmplicated and vulnerable to errors. (even though there is considerable evidence to support the injected images of planes)

So to square this circle you have to start thinking in other directions. The crumbling core columns spring to mind as a possible area of conjecture.''

I wonder........

That explains a lot of things.

 

[Newtons Bit]

That explains a lot of things.

Is he still on dustifying core columns?

 

[TruthersLie]

Just a random add-on from reading the link, I read this response to it with amazement... while not a spectacular display of rationality this is probably to least stupid thing I've personally ever read anywhere on infowars:

How many bets that the article author's will remove it at some point?

I always LOVE ignorant twoofs who point to the beijing towers fire.

As we can see.. they are the <sarcasm> SAME DESIGN </sarcasm>

 

[TruthersLie]

A biography of Judy Woods. She seems to be the singlemost technically qualified researcher of them all.
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/a/bio/Wood_Bio.html

You are SOOOOOOO right.

Thank you for debunking thermite, thermate and nanothermite oh great and strong JUDY WOODS.

so when will you stop spewing the thermite/thermate/nanothermite crap bill? After all Judy Woods says Steven Jones is full of crap about it.

 

[Baylor]

I wonder how this thing would perform if a plane hit it.

 

[TruthersLie]

I wonder how this thing would perform if a plane hit it.

[qimg]http://backpages.chronicleblogs.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/burj-dubai-tower.jpg[/qimg]

well if a plane hits it, I'll let you all know how it does... I live less than an hour away from it.

FREAKING HUGE doesn't begin to describe it...

 

[Slayhamlet]

That explains a lot of things.

Bill likes to sprinkle his posts with little phrases and intellectual or scientific sounding terms that he's picked up from reading various and sundry things, but since he lacks the capacity to understand most of what he reads they never mean what he thinks they mean.

 

[carlitos]

That tower in Dubai is amazing. I'm looking at the Trump Tower in Chicago right now. It's almost as tall as the Sears Tower, and the Dubai one is more than twice as tall as both. You could stack the Sears Tower and the Trump Tower on top of each other and they would be shorter than the Burj Dubai. That is insane.

I will never forget driving to Chicago after 9/11 and just looking up at the Sears Tower and wondering what plans the bad guys had for it.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

I wonder how this thing would perform if a plane hit it.

[qimg]http://backpages.chronicleblogs.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/burj-dubai-tower.jpg[/qimg]

Jesus.... I'm reading this ones closing in on 400 floors
**** no. But now that I've seen it, I'm considering it an option for my thesis project in a couple of years

 

[ElMondoHummus]

That tower in Dubai is amazing. I'm looking at the Trump Tower in Chicago right now. It's almost as tall as the Sears Tower, and the Dubai one is more than twice as tall as both. You could stack the Sears Tower and the Trump Tower on top of each other and they would be shorter than the Burj Dubai. That is insane.

I will never forget driving to Chicago after 9/11 and just looking up at the Sears Tower and wondering what plans the bad guys had for it.

You're somewhere around River North at the moment? Huh. If work and other things hadn't intervened, I'd be up there in Chicago hanging out with a buddy in West Loop this week.

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For reference, about a third of the way down this page, comparisons of noted tall towers in Chicago are made, including Trump Tower, Chicago Spire, "Willis" tower (better known by its right, proper, and God given name "Sears Tower"), John Hancock Center, and Ben Wallice.

Yes. Ben Wallice. Formerly of the Chicago Bulls. "In full afro", quote endquote. That site's webmaster has got a sense of humor.

 

[ElMondoHummus]

I wonder how this thing would perform if a plane hit it.

http://backpages.chronicleblogs.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/burj-dubai-tower.jpg

Jesus.... I'm reading this ones closing in on 400 floors
**** no. But now that I've seen it, I'm considering it an option for my thesis project in a couple of years

Oh man, I'd pity the poor sap who'd have to do the FEA analysis on that collapse. He'd need so much hardware he'd suck up enough power to light New York for a week.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Oh man, I'd pity the poor sap who'd have to do the FEA analysis on that collapse. He'd need so much hardware he'd suck up enough power to light New York for a week.

Found a case study on it though I'd like to do one of my own for the practice:
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/fulltext/116838212/PDFSTART

The pics I glanced at are impressive but yeah, god help whoever gets tasked with examining it if it ever collapses. Designing it had to be a nightmare, in part with all the time that's gone into its construction so far

 

[Baylor]

Found a case study on it though I'd like to do one of my own for the practice:
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/fulltext/116838212/PDFSTART

The pics I glanced at are impressive but yeah, god help whoever gets tasked with examining it if it ever collapses. Designing it had to be a nightmare, in part with all the time that's gone into its construction so far

See if you can find anything on the Nakheel Tower.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

See if you can find anything on the Nakheel Tower.

A quick google search got me this from CTBUH

Link one (PDF)


I-I-I'm speechless.... choice #2 for thesis.

Page 6 of the PDF talks about the structural elements that make up the building BTW. Looks like a combination of reinforced concrete and steel frame design with the principal material for the vertical elements being concrete rated for 100 MPa

 

[TruthersLie]

Yea... that is the one they are planning on building in saudi.

I wonder if base jumpers will try it there.



sorry for the derail, but this is just freakin kewl.

eta: the buildings they are falling towards at the 4:30 mark are over 60 stories tall... 15 seconds of freefall...

REAL FREEFALL TWOOFS!

 

[tfk]

A quick google search got me this from CTBUH

Link one (PDF)


I-I-I'm speechless.... choice #2 for thesis.

Page 6 of the PDF talks about the structural elements that make up the building BTW. Looks like a combination of reinforced concrete and steel frame design with the principal material for the vertical elements being concrete rated for 100 MPa

I'm speechless that the person who put this graphic together went thru the trouble of putting them in order, tallest to shortest, adding in the height, and STILL somehow missed the fact that his graph has the 452 meter tall Petronis Towers icon shorter than the 442 meter tall Sears Tower.

(And probably the ESB wrong, too.)

Ah well.

Math literate proof readers rock.

Tom

 

[Grizzly Bear]

LOL touche... didn't previously notice that...

 

[Newtons Bit]

The graph is accurate. The spires top of the Petronas Towers are integral with the structure. You can actually get up there. It counts for the total height.

The antennas on the Sears Tower are guyed and don't count as "height of the structure".

 

[Gravy]

The graph is accurate. The spires top of the Petronas Towers are integral with the structure.

Yup.

You can actually get up there. It counts for the total height.

Well, someone can get up there.

The antennas on the Sears Tower are guyed and don't count as "height of the structure".

That's right, and while I have no problem with that restriction, aesthetically I have a problem with measuring building height by spire height. I think that an office or residential building's height should be measured by roof height or by its highest habitable floor. By that standard, Sears Tower would have reigned as the world's tallest from 1974 until Taipei 101* was topped out in 2004 (also by this standard, among finished buildings, Shanghai World Financial Center is now highest).

The spire silliness may have began – and culminated – in 1930, when a very public "race to the sky" occurred between former partners William van Allen, the designer of the Chrysler Building, and Craig Severance, the designer of 40 Wall Street. That race occurred despite both designers knowing that the spire-less Empire State Building would soon surpass the height of their buildings. There are buildings in NYC now, such as the New York Times Building and the Bank of America Building, that are "officially" classified as being in the top four tallest in NYC because of their tall spires, but that no visitor (and almost no New Yorkers except architects and structural engineers) would select as such.


*An aside: I think Taipei 101's "honeydripper" tuned mass damper is as cool as skyscraper stuff gets.

 

[Hokulele]

I've seen the Petronas Towers! I couldn't go inside, as they weren't officially open at the time.


Biiiiiiiiiiig.

Yes. Ben Wallice. Formerly of the Chicago Bulls. "In full afro", quote endquote. That site's webmaster has got a sense of humor.

It is Ben Wallace, but that is awesome.