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Split Thread Conservative Voices (Split from Muller Investigation)

Sorry for going on and on about this, but I swear to god, Keith Ellison does not actually "disbelieve in borders". He apparently just knew of some immigrant-supporting "activism" event, and either he (or more likely his staffers) came up with the bad idea of him going there wearing that shirt as a photo-op thing to add to his public image as "cool/down with" the protesty activisty types.

I was really stupid, and that's a perfect example of why there's no rumblings of a "Ellison for POTUS 2020" campaign in the works. "The left" does not trust him for these sorts of reasons.

That isn't the only reason. It would be political suicide. Ellison couldn't win a state wide race let alone be a viable national candidate. The Republicans could beat him simply by touting his religion. As much as I believe in freedom of religion and that no religious test should ever be required, I would NEVER vote for a member of that vile religion for President.

At least not until it stopped being a threat to a peaceful modernity. The world is bad enough with the crazy ass backwards Christians that deny science without entertaining leaders who embrace a religion that advocates Sharia.
 
That isn't the only reason. It would be political suicide. Ellison couldn't win a state wide race let alone be a viable national candidate. The Republicans could beat him simply by touting his religion. As much as I believe in freedom of religion and that no religious test should ever be required, I would NEVER vote for a member of that vile religion for President.

At least not until it stopped being a threat to a peaceful modernity. The world is bad enough with the crazy ass backwards Christians that deny science without entertaining leaders who embrace a religion that advocates Sharia.

Speaking on advocates sharia -- Linda Sarsour was co-chair of the 2017 Women's March, also advocate of sharia law within the USA? Do liberals want sharia law in the USA? Do they see it as oppressive of women and lgbt? Not sure why someone that advocates for sharia in the USA would be put in such a position?
 
Speaking on advocates sharia -- Linda Sarsour was co-chair of the 2017 Women's March, also advocate of sharia law within the USA? Do liberals want sharia law in the USA? Do they see it as oppressive of women and lgbt? Not sure why someone that advocates for sharia in the USA would be put in such a position?

If I take you at your word, well, religious fundamentalism is definitely a part of conservatism in the US, so I guess it fits tin this thread, although not in the way you think it does.

I recall back when Louis Farrakhan, along with many, many other people, organized the Million Man March. It was around the time that murder and domestic violence were at an absolute peak among black Americans (and the developed world in general, as an aside), and people really wanted a strong cause to show one another that we could do better than that, that we could *be* better than that. Even from Boston, it was understood that everyone who did go (I did not, but knew people who did, as literally their first trip outside the reach of Boston's Public Transit) were to be at their best - no violence, no drugs, nothing of that nature. ANd yeah, Farrakhan did speak at the event, among many other people.

But, it may have changed the lives of, at least, a few of the guys who went there, and that is important.

One could say the same of, say, the Tea Party rallies, and Glenn Beck back in 2010 or whenever.

If you want to see what I have to say of Farrakhan, and of the Nation of Islam as a religion, can do a forum search, the detailed breakdown would take a while. If you'd rather not, just understand that I generally despise them, *but* I do think that they serve a good in reforming criminals and, on some neighborhoods, providing security when nobody else does.

I'm unconcerned with who Sarsour is, or what her personal beliefs are, as far as the Womens' Marches go. They're simply not important. If she stays or goes, it makes no difference in what the people who attended the rally, who found their voices, who decided to run for offices are doing. Same as Farrakhan or Beck, both scam artists and conspiracy theorists at best, do not reflect the people who went to the Million Man March or the Tea Party rallies.
 
Speaking on advocates sharia -- Linda Sarsour was co-chair of the 2017 Women's March, also advocate of sharia law within the USA? Do liberals want sharia law in the USA? Do they see it as oppressive of women and lgbt? Not sure why someone that advocates for sharia in the USA would be put in such a position?

What a ridiculous post. I dont know a single elected official, Republican, Democrat or other that says they want sharia law in the US. I also am not worried about people in minor positions who couldn't possibly effect that change. It's also interesting that this is a Muslim promoting a woman's march.

I'm anti-religion. But that doesn't mean I am against people that promote equality and attribute it to their religion. I would vote for Ellison over every Republican for his seat in Congress, but I don't support him as President and if I heard him saying that we should no longer have a secular government, I would oppose him as dog catcher.
 
... Do liberals want sharia law in the USA? ...
This is one of the more absurd mantras the alt-right repeats again and again. Why on Earth would liberals want Sharia law? Absolute nonsense.

And why are the alt-righters pushing this nonsense? Because they see women with head coverings on in liberal groups.

That's like accusing conservatards of promoting Fred Phelps' ideas. After all, isn't he a Christian? :rolleyes:
 
This is one of the more absurd mantras the alt-right repeats again and again. Why on Earth would liberals want Sharia law? Absolute nonsense.

And why are the alt-righters pushing this nonsense? Because they see women with head coverings on in liberal groups.

That's like accusing conservatards of promoting Fred Phelps' ideas. After all, isn't he a Christian? :rolleyes:

I asked the question because I've seen many liberals defend Sarsours position in the womens march. Personally, I think it was a bad choice for the position considering her stance on the issue. When I see advocates for womens rights, and lgbt rights defend someone that supports sharia law in the USA -- I find it questionable.
 
I asked the question because I've seen many liberals defend Sarsours position in the womens march. Personally, I think it was a bad choice for the position considering her stance on the issue. When I see advocates for womens rights, and lgbt rights defend someone that supports sharia law in the USA -- I find it questionable.

You should worry less about march organizers, and vastly more about elected officials - they're the actual, chosen representatives of the group, installed specifically to put ideas into law for others to live by. Sarsour is nothing compared to DOlt 45, or Cruz's flailing attempts to attack Beto O'Rourke (as an example from yesterday).
 
I asked the question because I've seen many liberals defend Sarsours position in the womens march. Personally, I think it was a bad choice for the position considering her stance on the issue. When I see advocates for womens rights, and lgbt rights defend someone that supports sharia law in the USA -- I find it questionable.
And look, turns out your beliefs about the woman are absurd.

When are you going to remind yourself before repeating that crap, "oh yeah, I do remember hearing that it was BS."
 
I asked the question because I've seen many liberals defend Sarsours position in the womens march. Personally, I think it was a bad choice for the position considering her stance on the issue. When I see advocates for womens rights, and lgbt rights defend someone that supports sharia law in the USA -- I find it questionable.

I take it you did not read the Snopes link I provided?

If you consider Sarsour personally living what sharia tells her as promoting sharia law in the US, then you might as well claim that Catholics living by their religious beliefs is evidence of their promoting Biblical law as US law. Or Jews. Or Quakers. Or Amish. Or any other person who personally lives by their religious teachings.
 
I asked the question because I've seen many liberals defend Sarsours position in the womens march. Personally, I think it was a bad choice for the position considering her stance on the issue. When I see advocates for womens rights, and lgbt rights defend someone that supports sharia law in the USA -- I find it questionable.

I do defend her position in the March. I don't agree with Martin Luther King on Jesus either but I supported his position on civil rights. Since when does one have to have universal unanimity on every issue? The Bible also says if your bride is not a virgin on your wedding night , you are to kill her and leave her body on her father's doorstep. It says how much you are to pay for slaves and not suffer a witch to live. And yet I support Habitat for Humanity even though Jimmy Carter is prominent.
 
If I take you at your word, well, religious fundamentalism is definitely a part of conservatism in the US, so I guess it fits tin this thread, although not in the way you think it does.

I recall back when Louis Farrakhan, along with many, many other people, organized the Million Man March. It was around the time that murder and domestic violence were at an absolute peak among black Americans (and the developed world in general, as an aside), and people really wanted a strong cause to show one another that we could do better than that, that we could *be* better than that. Even from Boston, it was understood that everyone who did go (I did not, but knew people who did, as literally their first trip outside the reach of Boston's Public Transit) were to be at their best - no violence, no drugs, nothing of that nature. ANd yeah, Farrakhan did speak at the event, among many other people.

But, it may have changed the lives of, at least, a few of the guys who went there, and that is important.

One could say the same of, say, the Tea Party rallies, and Glenn Beck back in 2010 or whenever.

If you want to see what I have to say of Farrakhan, and of the Nation of Islam as a religion, can do a forum search, the detailed breakdown would take a while. If you'd rather not, just understand that I generally despise them, *but* I do think that they serve a good in reforming criminals and, on some neighborhoods, providing security when nobody else does.

I'm unconcerned with who Sarsour is, or what her personal beliefs are, as far as the Womens' Marches go. They're simply not important. If she stays or goes, it makes no difference in what the people who attended the rally, who found their voices, who decided to run for offices are doing. Same as Farrakhan or Beck, both scam artists and conspiracy theorists at best, do not reflect the people who went to the Million Man March or the Tea Party rallies.

Not a fan of Farrakhan. I see him in the same light as David Duke, or others that discriminate based on race. Not a fan of bigots personally.

The point is, the march is supposed to represent something much different than sharia.
 
I take it you did not read the Snopes link I provided?

If you consider Sarsour personally living what sharia tells her as promoting sharia law in the US, then you might as well claim that Catholics living by their religious beliefs is evidence of their promoting Biblical law as US law. Or Jews. Or Quakers. Or Amish. Or any other person who personally lives by their religious teachings.

Do you doubt that she is a supporter of sharia law? Is sharia law oppressive of women and lgbt?
 
You should worry less about march organizers, and vastly more about elected officials - they're the actual, chosen representatives of the group, installed specifically to put ideas into law for others to live by. Sarsour is nothing compared to DOlt 45, or Cruz's flailing attempts to attack Beto O'Rourke (as an example from yesterday).


Elected officials can be voted out. I've yet to see a decent candidate propped up by the democrats. I'm not a huge Trump fan despite some of the posters here belief. However, given the choice of HRC or Trump, it's like picking which shade of poo you like best.
 
Do you doubt that she is a supporter of sharia law? Is sharia law oppressive of women and lgbt?

For herself? Yes. For non-Muslims? No.

Most Judeo-Christian denominations are oppressive of women and LGBTQ. Or do you see them as champions of women's and LGBTQ rights?
Who fought against gay marriage? Who fights against a woman's right to choose? Who refuses to bake a wedding cake for same sex couples? Yep, it's all those darn atheists and liberals.
 
Elected officials can be voted out. I've yet to see a decent candidate propped up by the democrats. I'm not a huge Trump fan despite some of the posters here belief. However, given the choice of HRC or Trump, it's like picking which shade of poo you like best.

At least HRC was competent and qualified poo.
 
Not a fan of Farrakhan. I see him in the same light as David Duke, or others that discriminate based on race.

David Duke is part of an organization that has done much, much more than just discriminate based on race.

I'm no fan of Farrakhan by any stretch, but comparing him to the lynch-happy terrorists of the KKK is wrong.
 

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