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mist said:
Hmm, I was wondering, how about if the charges were activated by timers? Or exploded by some kind of radio signal? In that case the explosives could have been hidden as single units without detenation cable needing to be present.

I'm guessing such a system would not be accurate enough (not all charges would go at exactly the same time or at all), and this would cause the building to collapse incorrectly.
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If it's timers how do you set them so that the collapse proceeds from the impact point downwards? What happens if the plane doesn't make it?

Also, assuming it would take months and thousands of charges to prepare the buildings (which are larger than any building that has been brought down with explosives) and secrecy meant that you would be working at night and covering your tracks (ie seamlessly repairing the damage you did in order to place the charges). How do you know how long it's going to take to finish the job? How to you set the timer on each charge so that they'll go off in perfect sequence?

The problem with radio controlled detonation is that they could be set off accidentally by other radio wave sources. This is why demolition companies wire buildings. Again, the size of the towers and the difficulty of working secretly in them would mean that the window this could occur in would be pretty big.

There's plenty of stuff about how stupid the CT hypotheses are. I like this:

http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/911truth2.html
 
maccy said:
If it's timers how do you set them so that the collapse proceeds from the impact point downwards? What happens if the plane doesn't make it?

Also, assuming it would take months and thousands of charges to prepare the buildings (which are larger than any building that has been brought down with explosives) and secrecy meant that you would be working at night and covering your tracks (ie seamlessly repairing the damage you did in order to place the charges). How do you know how long it's going to take to finish the job? How to you set the timer on each charge so that they'll go off in perfect sequence?

The problem with radio controlled detonation is that they could be set off accidentally by other radio wave sources. This is why demolition companies wire buildings. Again, the size of the towers and the difficulty of working secretly in them would mean that the window this could occur in would be pretty big.

There's plenty of stuff about how stupid the CT hypotheses are. I like this:

http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/911truth2.html
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Not only all that, but it still doesn't reduce the amount of actual explosives required one bit, and that would take some doing to install covertly.
 
mist said:
Hmm, I was wondering, how about if the charges were activated by timers? Or exploded by some kind of radio signal? In that case the explosives could have been hidden as single units without detenation cable needing to be present.

I'm guessing such a system would not be accurate enough (not all charges would go at exactly the same time or at all), and this would cause the building to collapse incorrectly.
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If you use radio signals, you've got to power the receivers. You'll also want some kind of command decoder, rather than just detecting a carrier. If you just wanted to detect a carrier, you could get away with a passive receiver - crystal radio style - but that could go off because of random RF noise.

How long in advance do you suppose the charges and radio controls would have been planted? Would they have been powered by battery, or would they have tried to tap into the AC power in the building? If batteries, then you've got a time limit. If AC, then you've got the same problem as with the detonation cord - namely, hiding the cables.

Either case presents some major problems.

And, again, the crashes would have destroyed most if not all of the charge in the vicinity of the crash sites - possibly by setting them off.

If the charges were destroyed without exploding them, then there wouldn't have been enough of them around an hour later to initiate the collapse.

If the charges went off because of the crash, then the collapse should have started immediately rather than an hour later.

Far simpler to supposed that the crashes and the fires caused a delayed collapse than to try to explain away all of the inconsistencies when supposing that it was a controlled demolition.
 
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Thank you for your responses.

Yes indeed, powering the radio receivers would be a major problem. Furthermore possibly prone to transmittion problems (exploding too late/too soon).

About using timers. I believe it would be possible to sychronize the timers before hand, before planting the first one. If you set them to some far point ahead of time you could be sure they were installed before that time, although of course the risk of getting caught before that time would increase. It would indeed become impossible to stop the countdown, but it might be easier to hide the explosives.

I agree that in any case it is almost impossible (unnecessary and ludacrous) that the building was planted with explosives, I was just wondering if there are other (better) ways than detonation cord that could have been used if it was.

BTW: It might also link the 1993 bomb attack, if the explosives were already planted a decade in advance and one of the explosive timers malfunctioned. Although I don't think anyone would actually believe this theory. :)
 
28th Kingdom said:
Okay... cool, so what is: This building is about to blow up... lingo for?
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So every firefighter in NYC was in on the conspiracy and willing to blab about it to a CNN reporter moments before their nefarious scheme was launched? What tight, unrivaled security your NWO has in place.

You want me to defend a cautionary expression made by a firefighter in the street who has just been ordered to clear the area because a 47 story building with massive structural damage is clearly going to fall over and possibly hurt/kill even more people? On a day when thousands are already dead and dozens of his fellow firefighters have already DIED? Why should he, as a member of this dark conspiracy with the blood of ~3000 people on his hands give a rats tail about whoever is left in or around WTC7? Why would he even be in on the conspiracy in the first place?

There is no scenario in which his actions and motives make sense within your conspiracy.
 
28th Kingdom said:
Jury Jone...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_of_least_resistance

Don't you think that the upper mass' momentum coupled with inertia and the fact that below it is a rock solid 70+ floors of undamaged building with 47 core columns, floors and steel outer columns... would propel it off to the side of the building (where there is no resistance) instead of down and through a structure which had the ability to support (massive resistance) the weight of the upper mass?
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Oh, sorry... wait a minute...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!

Wait...seriously...

HAHAHAHA!

OK, let me ask you...

Was the WTC solid inside? Someone once told me that children, before they learn about anatomy, are convinced that humans are solid inside, like a potato. Was the WTC a potato? Was it a tree? If not, please don't talk about "rock solid 70+ floors of undamaged building".

Secondly, what makes you think the core was undamaged? In my very simplified picture, I did not include the core columns. Do you have any idea why? Hmmm? It's because, if they did not fail, there would be no tilt. You'd have the outside intact on one side, and the core intact, and that would be enough to keep the upper mass from tilting. Are you familiar with the term "fulcrum"? If not, then perhaps you should return to third grade.

It's not the weight of the upper mass that crushed the lower floors all the way to the ground... it was the energy released by the 50 foot? fall that generated so much force that it smashed through almost 10 floors per second all the way to the ground. Note: And why were all four sides of the build exploding so symmetrically... in such a chaotic event i.e. tilting upper mass, scattered rubble... would the energy be so perfectly distributed throughout the entire collapse?
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Perhaps it was the asteroid that would hammer the WTC into the ground like a nail.

Also, if you tried to visualize this growing upper mass, whose increasing size supposedly increased the speed of collapse... you wouldn't come up with a single object i.e. the upper floors melded together with the collapsing lowers floors... wouldn't it be more like the upper mass, and then millions of pieces of individual rubble caused by the collision between the upper mass and the lower floors? You all talk like this increasing mass was the upper floors literally fusing together with the lower floors as the collapse progressed. See: this is why it's important to visualize things... as it helps you understand the relation between your theories and a real world environment.
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Once again, you seem to think that a pound of steel and a pound of talcum powder provide different amounts of kinetic force as it lands on the lower floors. A pound is a pound is a pound, and 100 thousand tons is 100 thousand tons, regardless of whether it's intact or not.

Also, your illustrations...omit one key component... and that is the 37 non-severed core columns that were still running from the base of the building through the impact floors (that big white gap - BTW did you borrow these pics from the 9/11 commission report) and up to the roof.

How did all of these columns manage to simultaneously break in a split second? How can three (sides) outer columns significantly affect the balance of the core columns in such a short span of time? I can see if the building was hollow... if that were the case, than obviously the three sides failing would of caused the imbalance required for the upper floors to tilt over... but, it all comes back to those core columns... and how they actually failed. This is an event that still doesn't have any logical explanation.

If you are gonna reply... please don't interject some really abstract term like, transferring of loads... which is so broad... that you could use it to explain away almost any event and/or phenomenon.

Yea, the WTC 1 & 2 fell because of the way the upper mass' latent energy penetrated the towers' terminal resistance threshold. Are you that dumb... please go read a book and learn something.
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:big: Man, you crack me up.


Oh, by the way, how about addressing how the upper mass was suspended in the air for three seconds before following the lower floors to the ground.

Sorry I'm not on the 'net at the same time you are. I have to catch up on these things after the fact.
 
mist said:
About using timers. I believe it would be possible to sychronize the timers before hand, before planting the first one. If you set them to some far point ahead of time you could be sure they were installed before that time, although of course the risk of getting caught before that time would increase. It would indeed become impossible to stop the countdown, but it might be easier to hide the explosives.
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Even if they were synchronized at first, you're expect some drift in their timings, as even good quality clocks are not perfect. If this time was set far enough in advance to guarantee you time to plant all the devices, the cumulative error could be large enough to muck up your demolition plan. As well, with the thousands of individual timers needed, you'd expect a certain number to simply break down, just with random malfunctions, which also buggers things up. There's a reason real CD guys do multple checks of their equipment, right up to the Big Day.




mist said:
BTW: It might also link the 1993 bomb attack, if the explosives were already planted a decade in advance and one of the explosive timers malfunctioned. Although I don't think anyone would actually believe this theory. :)
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Well, it is nice to be able to tie all the conspiracies into one neat package, but with a ten-year lead time, we're getting dangerously close to Christophera territory, and I don't think any of us wants that :).
 
Hmm yes indeed Horatius, the reliability with timers might be the limiting factor.

Thanks for your response. :)
 
Horatius said:
...and play on the teeter-totter until you understand it.

Play-time isn't just fun and exercise, you know. It's part of how you learn about how the real world works.
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He tried, but it's hard when you're the only one on it.

When he was a kid (you know, last week) they had to tie a pork chop around his neck to get the dog to play with him.

He never had any friends. His parents would rub it in, too. They'd only buy him one walkie-talkie for Christmas. Poor fellow!
 
Horatius said:
Oh, absolutely! That's the epitome of science, don't you know :)
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We're in agreement, then: the World Trade Center was made of potato, and was brought down by a particularly hungry Godzilla.

Everything else is the result of the hyponosis.
 
JonnyFive said:
We're in agreement, then: the World Trade Center was made of potato, and was brought down by a particularly hungry Godzilla.

Everything else is the result of the hyponosis.
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Did he turn them into a pile of french fries, with his radioactive breath?
 
JimBenArm said:
He tried, but it's hard when you're the only one on it.

When he was a kid (you know, last week) they had to tie a pork chop around his neck to get the dog to play with him.

He never had any friends. His parents would rub it in, too. They'd only buy him one walkie-talkie for Christmas. Poor fellow!
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That would explain so much. I think the only person I ever knew in real life who combined 28th-levels of ignorance and arrogance was that one kid no one else ever liked or hung out with.

I think you're onto something here.
 
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