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Colonel Donn de Grand Pre

beachnut said:
Portions of the fuselage were striped away and the wings appear to be in one crater confirmed by finding certain wing bolts in the crater. The mass of the wing would cause a big crater and with 200,000 pounds of fuel a fire bigger than the 55,000 gallons or 66,000 gallons of fuel on 911 aircraft. But the smashed section of cockpit is visible because the rest of the plane did not pass through it into the ground. On 911 all the parts behind the nose section traveled to and through the nose section including people, seats, luggage, and the tail including the CVR and FDR when 93 impacted in one big piece into the found.

For the 911Truth delusion guys notice there are no parts that look like wings just like 93 in the crater.

The wings sections filled with fuel weighed more that flight 93.
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Fine, wo cares? We want to explain why the plane came down in the first place.

Explain the observed debris rain over the lake a few minutes after the (main part of the) plane crashed as described a few posts earlier.
 
9/11-investigator said:
Checks blowing in the wind ok, but pieces of seats? No way.
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Pieces of seat fabric. Sorry, it was blown on the wind and you can't prove otherwise with your lack of diversity and failure to understand physics and wind. The wind on 911 at Flight 93's impact zone was exactly the direction to blow (the bone was not from 93 was it) the ashes and papers for miles. I had a plane pop on the ground from over-pressurization and it spewed insulation for a 1/4 mile with no wind.

I forgot, there is a lot of insulation of a plane which flew with the wind. What were the directions of the wind on 911 at 93 final resting place; got knowledge; or just delusions.

Winds on 911 for 93, surface and 1000 feet or so?
 
beachnut said:
Pieces of seat fabric. Sorry, it was blown on the wind and you can't prove otherwise with your lack of diversity and failure to understand physics and wind. The wind on 911 at Flight 93's impact zone was exactly the direction to blow (the bone was not from 93 was it) the ashes and papers for miles. I had a plane pop on the ground from over-pressurization and it spewed insulation for a 1/4 mile with no wind.

I forgot, there is a lot of insulation of a plane which flew with the wind. What were the directions of the wind on 911 at 93 final resting place; got knowledge; or just delusions.

Winds on 911 for 93, surface and 1000 feet or so?
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But nobody speaks of seat fabric. You are making it up as you go. But you are evading the essential question again:

Explain the observed debris rain over the lake a few minutes after the (main part of the) plane crashed as described a few posts earlier.

The expression was: "like confetti raining down".

This is not like pieces of paper whirling through the sky following the whims of the wind.
 
9/11-investigator said:
But nobody speaks of seat fabric. You are making it up as you go. But you are evading the essential question again:

Explain the observed debris rain over the lake a few minutes after the (main part of the) plane crashed as described a few posts earlier.

The expression was: "like confetti raining down".

This is not like pieces of paper whirling through the sky following the whims of the wind.
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Confetti is paper; sorry, you have no idea or evidence to support your lies and hearsay junk. You lost because you use lies to support your delusions.

http://images.google.com/hosted/lif...e&hl=en&safe=off&um=1&imgurl=9fcaedca5bcc991a It floats on the wind.

Did you fail to look up the wind direction on 911 for the area around flight 93? You can't do research?

You have a delusions based on hearsay and internet lies. I have facts based on evidence and reality. For you to prove me wrong the winds on 911 at the impact of 93 would help you prove it was not the wind. This is logic you need to apply to your failed dirt dumb ideas so you can see they are pure poppycock.

You are setting your own traps when you say an expression like confetti when it was exactly like confetti raining down; exactly like paper and ashes and piece of burnt seats raining down just like confetti. This is super-thermite when you debunk yourself! Outstanding work you are a great hope for neoNAZIs all over the world.


Dirt dumb delusions - 473 posts
One failed 911Truth believer debunking his own post -
9/11-investigator said:
The expression was: "like confetti raining down". ...
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Priceless
 
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The witness does not say it was confetti, it said it was like confetti. And it was said that it was RAINING like confetti.

Now, patient as I am I'll explain it to you folks, slowly:

Here is a picture of rain:

http://weblogs.nos.nl/afrika/files/2009/03/rain.jpg

Now what do you guys notice?

Correct! The rain goes vertical, meaning from the sky to the ground. Very good! In that sense it is indeed like in that nice (while self-defeating) confetti picture you showed me during a tickerparade, which also goes from top to bottom.

Now beachnut wants us to believe that F93 came down in one piece, with Arabs and lets-rollers jerking at each others throat. Then BOOOM. Then all the suit cases are opened and all the stuff comes out and everything ripped to pieces and then there is a government loyalist wind that picks up all the light stuff like paper and blows it from the crash site in horizontal direction to the lake and then, magically all over sudden the wind turns direction and starts to blow vertically so that all the paper debris rains down like confetti from the sky. Just in a manner such that beachnut can keep telling dirt dumb stories.

Try again beachnut.

P.S. I am saying that it was the luggage and other small debris that truly rained from the sky after it had been blown away from the plane by the F16 from the 'Happy Hooligan' squadron the colonel, who is the hero of this thread, was talking about. But objects like trousers and underware fall at speeds of maybe max. 70 mph while the plane was diving at speeds of maybe 700 mph, so it took the luggage and other stuff a few minutes to rain towrds the earth.
 
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beachnut said:
He was shot down and keeps posting it. Now it is rain.
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F93 was shot down causing debris high in the sky that falls down with speeds of say 70 mph, while the plane nose-dived towrds earth.

Your government loyalist scenario btw is treated here:

Theory 1 - It blew there (The NTSB/FBI Story).
Comment: Wind speed that day was 9 knots (or 10.4 MPH). Video from that morning shows a very light breeze.

The NTSB theory is that a lot of lightweight paper-like material survived the crash fireball and escaped the 35 foot deep, wet mud crash site and floated at 10 mph 2 - 8 miles over more wet, muddy fields. And how did clothing, books and large engine parts blow there again? And is there stuff 2 to 8 miles away at the Pentagon crash? Or another crash you can think of? Oh yea, at Lockerbie and Flight 800 there was (both had in-air explosions).

Remember, the debris is NOT continuous. They didn't even have a clue the secondary debris existed until phone calls from residents brought skeptical investigators looking. If this debris was heavier than feathers it would not have floated from an explosion the height of 600 feet to 11,000+ feet sideways. Even if it could, there would have been a continuous trail back to the crash with the heavier items falling first. Remember, all the debris at the crash crater bounced South and Southwest. The secondary debris is East in the direction of, and beyond, Indian Lake.

Indian Lake is where witnesses heard the airliner fly over, and saw debris falling from the sky moments after the crash. If the debris floated from the crash site, it would have taken 10-15 minutes at 10 mph to get there.

Debunked.
 
9/11-investigator said:
F93 was shot down causing debris high in the sky that falls down with speeds of say 70 mph, while the plane nose-dived towrds earth.

Your government loyalist scenario btw is treated here:

Theory 1 - It blew there (The NTSB/FBI Story).
Comment: Wind speed that day was 9 knots (or 10.4 MPH). Video from that morning shows a very light breeze.

The NTSB theory is that a lot of lightweight paper-like material survived the crash fireball and escaped the 35 foot deep, wet mud crash site and floated at 10 mph 2 - 8 miles over more wet, muddy fields. And how did clothing, books and large engine parts blow there again? And is there stuff 2 to 8 miles away at the Pentagon crash? Or another crash you can think of? Oh yea, at Lockerbie and Flight 800 there was (both had in-air explosions).

Remember, the debris is NOT continuous. They didn't even have a clue the secondary debris existed until phone calls from residents brought skeptical investigators looking. If this debris was heavier than feathers it would not have floated from an explosion the height of 600 feet to 11,000+ feet sideways. Even if it could, there would have been a continuous trail back to the crash with the heavier items falling first. Remember, all the debris at the crash crater bounced South and Southwest. The secondary debris is East in the direction of, and beyond, Indian Lake.

Indian Lake is where witnesses heard the airliner fly over, and saw debris falling from the sky moments after the crash. If the debris floated from the crash site, it would have taken 10-15 minutes at 10 mph to get there.

Debunked.
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You just prove it was not shot down and the debris was paper. Good job.

Let me post the winds right here in a minute after I check the FDR found buried in the ground at the impact point.
 
9/11-investigator said:
Your point escapes me, probably because there is no point, but thanks for the compliment anyway.



Do you need a spade?
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Your post proved 93 was in one piece when it impacted the ground; just like the FDR.


Checked the wind speed you were wrong.

Try again. What was the direction in degrees true, and speed in knots. State the altitude and source.
 
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beachnut said:
Your post proved 93 was in one piece when it impacted the ground; just like the FDR.
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Lets state in what we agree upon... According to witnesses:

All of a sudden the lights flickered and we joked that maybe they were coming for us. Then we heard engines screaming close overhead.

I'm willing to accept as a possibility that the plane came down at very high speed because the engines were still functioning. But that does not mean that the plane was not shot down. I am not an aviation expert but I can imagine that a plane is hit at the tail by a rocket but that the larger part of the plane spirals down with the engines still functioning and propelling the plane. This could explain the debris field with the very fractured plane pieces as you guys describe.

Checked the wind speed you were wrong.

Try again. What was the direction in degree true, and speed in knots.
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I am not going to participate in a quiz. Tell me if you know the answer + source or leave it.
 
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9/11-investigator said:
I'm willing to accept as a possibility that the plane came down at very high speed because the engines were still functioning. But that does not mean that the plane was not shot down. I am not an aviation expert but I can imagine that a plane is hit at the tail by a rocket but that the larger part of the plane spirals down with the engines still functioning and propelling the plane. This could explain the debris field with the very fractured plane pieces as you guys describe.
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You're right. You're not an aviation expert.
 
http://www.flight93crash.com/flight93_secondary_debris_field.html#2nd

The secondary (and tertiary) debris fields:

The Pennsylvania state police said debris from the crash has shown up about 8 miles away in a residential area where local media quoted some residents as seeing flaming debris from the sky.

This is completely at odds with your 'stuff blowing in the wind' scenario. A piece of paper does burn for a few seconds, not for 8 miles. Flaming debris from the sky means debris from an airplane that was shot.
 
9/11-investigator said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZekosYOmXc

Fox News rare F93 footage, never shown again.

The Fox reporter speaks of a debris field with a radius of 3-4 miles.
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Good old cherry-picking in the orchard of delusions. Great job

What was the wind and the source for the numbers you have?

New reports are so correct; good job

You can't find real facts so you cherry-pick delusions from any source you can find.

Found those winds yet where the debris blew from the impact sight.

With time from impact to time of seeing the "confetti" we have proof it was the wind. but you are too challenged to investigation and real research you post lies.

When did the burnt papers land 8 miles away? Need some help?

You have the wrong wind speed. You got it from a site of an idiot on 911 issues. Good job finding woo and delusions.
 
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