Colonel Donn de Grand Pre

[JoeyDonuts]

and in contrast F93 came down like a mach3 Sunburn rocket fired by Iranians hell bent on sinking an American carrier in the Straight of Hormuz.

Horrible comparison. Flight 93 did not skim the ground weaving back and forth at 9 G's. You wanna talk missile flight profiles, you wandered into the wrong neck of the woods, my friend.

And what makes you think that the Iranians have gotten their hands on the SS-N-22?

 

[cludgie]

OK, since you are the (self-professed) physics buff around here, you are going to explain to me why the impact crater in case of Lockerbie was much larger than in Shanksville, despite the fact that the Lockerbie plane came whirling from the sky like an autumn maple leaf and in contrast F93 came down like a mach3 Sunburn rocket fired by Iranians hell bent on sinking an American carrier in the Straight of Hormuz.

The only craters at Lockerbie were created by the (very heavy) engines striking the ground.

 

[beachnut]

The only craters at Lockerbie were created by the (very heavy) engines striking the ground.

4 big engines - 9,000 pounds each. That makes sense. Massive compared to the cockpit which is seen sitting on the ground in a large smashed section.

The large crater, or one large crater was caused by a wing with 200,000 pounds of fuel in it. The cockpit seen collapsed had crew still in seats and some passengers I believe.

There is a big difference for a plane in one piece hitting the ground, than many sections coming to the ground at various speeds.

 

[Travis]

Here's a video clip that helps illustrate the type of debris you get from 600 mph+ impacts.

 

[JoeyDonuts]

FAKED!!!!

wait...what was it?

 

[beachnut]

Here's a video clip that helps illustrate the type of debris you get from 600 mph+ impacts.

Great post.

Flight 93 was similar at 880 feet per second. Our 911Truth no physics person can't understand the impact of 93 was equal in KE to the energy of 1,637 pounds of TNT. E= 1/2 mv²

Grand-Pre is dirt dumb. Has anyone read his delusional work which debunks itself as it goes?

 

[cludgie]

Has Grand Pre even decided which branch of the military he was in? I seem to recall hes claimed to have been in just about all of them at one time or another. I get the impression he was about as much of a real colonel as Colonel Sanders.

 

[Travis]

Great post.

Flight 93 was similar at 880 feet per second. Our 911Truth no physics person can't understand the impact of 93 was equal in KE to the energy of 1,637 pounds of TNT. E= 1/2 mv²

Mythbusters are providing relevant awesomeness all the time it seems.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Great irrelevant post.

Nobody expects a recognizable Boeing lying around on some field. The point is: did parts of that demolished car in that video end up 8 miles from the impact location? Of course not.

Flight 93 was similar at 880 feet per second. Our 911Truth no physics person can't understand the impact of 93 was equal in KE to the energy of 1,637 pounds of TNT. E= 1/2 mv²

OMG, beachnut has googled up some simpleton 2nd year highschool physics for 14 year olds and thinks in all earnest that he has proven a point.

Grand-Pre is dirt dumb. Has anyone read his delusional work which debunks itself as it goes?

You should somewhat economize on your usage of the phrase 'dirt dumb' as it pops up in every post of yours. Especially since that phrase applies to you. You cannot call a book 'delusional' and stating that it 'debunks itself as it goes' and than asking if somebody has read it, and that all in one sentence. :D Again, I'll repeat what is the issue here: explain how parts of the plane could end up 8 miles from the original point of impact if the plane came down in one piece. And please spare me pictures of impact craters or home videos of crashing objects. Just verbal arguments.

 

[WildCat]

Here's a video clip that helps illustrate the type of debris you get from 600 mph+ impacts.

Hahahaha, he said "what car?" at the end. There was no car!

Debunked!

 

[Crazytimes]

Hey Truther... care to explain flight 1771?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2012161848891209006

I see this still hasnt been addressed. This must have also been an inside job.

 

[PB2007]

Again, I'll repeat what is the issue here: explain how parts of the plane could end up 8 miles from the original point of impact if the plane came down in one piece.

They didn't. Where is the evidence they did? And please don't quote that article because it clearly says

Others reported what appeared to be crash debris floating in Indian Lake, nearly six miles from the immediate crash scene.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Hahahaha, he said "what car?" at the end. There was no car!

Debunked!

WildCat implicitly admits that (s)he has no arguments for the discussion about F93 and the size of the debris field. No surprises here.

Anybody else?

 

[9/11-investigator]

They didn't. Where is the evidence they did? And please don't quote that article because it clearly says: 'Others reported what appeared to be crash debris floating in Indian Lake, nearly six miles from the immediate crash scen'

Do I really have to explain the meaning of English words to an Englishman?

Do you really want to suggest that 'what appeared to be crash debris' really means: 'there certainly was no crash debris in the Lake'?

I'll help you to interprete your own language. Here we go again:

http://post-gazette.com/headlines/20010913somersetp3.asp

Finding the flight data recorder had been the focus of investigators as they widened their search area today following the discoveries of more debris, including what appeared to be human remains, miles from the point of impact at a reclaimed coal mine.

When we forget for a moment about the human remains the sentence reads:

Finding the flight data recorder had been the focus of investigators as they widened their search area today following the discoveries of more debris miles from the point of impact at a reclaimed coal mine.

I mean English is a very simple language. In fact the whole world uses the language. If you cannot grasp the meaning of the sentence I advise you to go back to primary school.

We continue with the article:

Workers at Indian Lake Marina said that they saw a cloud of confetti-like debris descend on the lake and nearby farms minutes after hearing the explosion that signaled the crash at 10:06 a.m. Tuesday.

Now try to explain that sentence to me without resorting to childish explanations like the Post Gazette being a Nazi newspaper.

Try to reconcile that observation with your assertion that F93 was still in 1 piece shortly before impact.

Patiently waiting...

 

[Crazytimes]

Flight 1771 ?

 

[9/11-investigator]

Flight 1771 ?

See your point. But shoot only the tail from F93 and you can have exactly the same effect of a plane speeding towards the ground full throttle and crashing with a speed of 700 mph totally obliterating the plane. But what YOU cannot explain is this:

http://www.flight93crash.com/MyPittsburghLIVE.htm
(link to original article is dead)

"All of a sudden the lights flickered and we joked that maybe they were coming for us. Then we heard engines screaming close overhead. The building shook. We ran out, heard the explosion and saw a fireball mushroom," said Fleegle, pointing to a clearing on a ridge at the far end of the lake.

Delasko, who ran outside moments later, said she thought someone had blown up a boat on the lake. "It just looked like confetti raining down all over the air above the lake," she said.
...

Fleegle said he climbed on the roof of an abandoned cabin and tossed down a burning seat cushion that had landed there.

By Wednesday morning, crash debris began washing ashore at the marina. Fleegle said there was something that looked like a rib bone amid pieces of seats, small chunks of melted plastic and checks.

Checks blowing in the wind ok, but pieces of seats? No way.

 

[PB2007]

OK. I got it wrong it was lightweight debris that could have been carried by the explosion from the plane crash. http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/Indian_Lake

I'm clearly out of depth and I'll admit that, with not a hint of sarcasm. I think i contributed more to this site when i just lurked and STFU.

I really can't argue with people who resort to crap like

Now try to explain that sentence to me without resorting to childish explanations like the Post Gazette being a Nazi newspaper.

So you win 9/11 investigator......

 

[9/11-investigator]

OK. I got it wrong it was lightweight debris that could have been carried by the explosion from the plane crash. http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/Indian_Lake

I'm clearly out of depth and I'll admit that, with not a hint of sarcasm. I think i contributed more to this site when i just lurked and STFU.

So you win 9/11 investigator......

OK, thanks.

Anybody else?

 

[sophia8]

4 big engines - 9,000 pounds each. That makes sense. Massive compared to the cockpit which is seen sitting on the ground in a large smashed section.

The large crater, or one large crater was caused by a wing with 200,000 pounds of fuel in it.

To be strictly accurate - the crater was made by the middle section of the plane, which was carrying both of the wing-mounted fuel tanks, plus all the combustible stuff in the several houses it landed on. At least one of the engines landed separately, a couple of streets away.

 

[beachnut]

To be strictly accurate - the crater was made by the middle section of the plane, which was carrying both of the wing-mounted fuel tanks, plus all the combustible stuff in the several houses it landed on. At least one of the engines landed separately, a couple of streets away.

Portions of the fuselage were striped away and the wings appear to be in one crater confirmed by finding certain wing bolts in the crater. The mass of the wing would cause a big crater and with 200,000 pounds of fuel a fire bigger than the 55,000 gallons or 66,000 gallons of fuel on 911 aircraft. But the smashed section of cockpit is visible because the rest of the plane did not pass through it into the ground. On 911 all the parts behind the nose section traveled to and through the nose section including people, seats, luggage, and the tail including the CVR and FDR when 93 impacted in one big piece into the found.

For the 911Truth delusion guys notice there are no parts that look like wings just like 93 in the crater.

The wings sections filled with fuel weighed more that flight 93.