Colonel Donn de Grand Pre

[leftysergeant]

I'm looking now for an e-mail address for Cindy Sheehan. She needs to know that at least one of her camp followers is not the credit to her movement that she seems to think he is.

I'm also writing to the superintendant of the Houston Catholic Schools. There is a claim on his website that he was once named Teacher of the Year in the Houston Catholic School. If it is for real, they may want to re-examine his resume and background check. I have worked security for a Catholic school, and I do not think they want him on the grounds, given their concern for integrity and the safety of students.

If he is just blowing smoke about that, too, they would probably want the claim blotted off his website.

 

[peteweaver]

Is it just me or does the Truther Movement seem uncommonly friendly to Anti Semites and other assorted bigots?

No its not just you, I've noticed that aswell....

 

[leftysergeant]

As I have pointed out before, one of the things that the white nationalists need, in order to sucede in their ambition to reshape society is numbers. There are not enough of the little morons now to do the job. 9/11 was a great blessing to their cause. So is the twoofer movement. They want to sow as much disaffection among the people as possible, and such deep despair that people will believe that they have to overthrow the government by force of arms to get their new investigation.

There are people in place already to take on the leadership role in any such uprising, but getting the twoof is not their main objective. It is to build the Fourth Reich.

Da Twoof is the conspiracy.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Dear all,

I'm a little bit ashamed that I have to confess that I discovered this Col. Donn de Grand-Pre character not earlier than tonight. That's what you get with these amateur 9/11-investigators like me.

On the other hand, I'm not particular impressed by the quality of your debunking efforts either. It took you guys almost a whole year to end up in the inevitable 'anti-semite corner' of the explanation space, basically meaning that this colonel could be right.

The sheer joy of recognition, God am I good! He even confirms the nerve-gas sort of scenario I had to pull out of my sleeve after you fellas convinced me that in the type of 9/11-planes it's always possible to mechanically overrule any 'auto-pilot gone wild scenario'. The only thing different from 'my' scenario (Bollyn's really) is the plane swapping (Bollyn himself seems to be on that trail).

I can live with that.

Yesterday I started a new blog just for scribbling...

http://911notes.blogspot.com/

...so we can stay in touch.

The 9/11 denouement is near.

 

[chillzero]

3 splits made. One to AAH - keep posts civil and on topic.
1 to the history section:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142305

and 1 to a new CT thread:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142306

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: chillzero

 

[9/11-investigator]

Thanks to chillzero for not throwing essential posts in the memory hole but instead start new threads! Not that I expect them to become classics, but again thanks anyway.

Back on topic. What we see here with the colonel is a familiar pattern. Colonel Donn de Grand Pre goes to Alex Jones to spill the beans only after he had a stroke and at almost 80 years old. It did not matter anymore for him. He died earlier this year.

Same thing with Italian ex-president Cossiga who gave an interview with Italy's largest newspaper where he said that 9/11 was a Mossad/CIA coproduction, only after he found out he had terminal cancer.

And that's the problem for insiders in the know to come out and speak 9/11-truth: it's gonna cost you, it's sort of high-treason. Look what happened to Rosie O'Donnell, to Canadian politician Leslie Hughes, who merely expressed doubts regarding the OCT: they got fired.

The only people who are willing to pursue 9/11 truth are people with no real big stakes in present day society: lefties, libertarians and white nationalists. Or people who probably are fed-up with their boring mediocre architect existence like Gage, who want to quit designing steel-framed highrise buildings and from a corner of their eyes saw what happened to ordinary people like Walesa or Havel.

 

[Lenbrazil]

Someone around town has been leaving copies of The American Free Press...the 21st Century's answer to Streicher's Der Sturmer....around town. I take an occasional glance but inevitably dump it in the nearest trash can after just a few minutes.

I'd take as many as I culd lay my hands on and donate them to a recyling center or bird owner.

 

[beachnut]

Back on topic. What we see here with the colonel is a familiar pattern. Colonel Donn de Grand Pre goes to Alex Jones to spill the beans only after he had a stroke and at almost 80 years old. It did not matter anymore for him. He died earlier this year.

...
And that's the problem for insiders in the know to come out and speak 9/11-truth: it's gonna cost you, it's sort of high-treason. Look what happened to Rosie O'Donnell, to Canadian politician Leslie Hughes, who merely expressed doubts regarding the OCT: they got fired.

....

The problem is the people of 911Truth have no evidence. If they had evidence they would have a Pulitzer Prize. Like Watergate, the 911Truth conclusions would earn a Pulitzer Prize but 911Truth conclusions are delusions.

 

[9/11-investigator]

The problem is the people of 911Truth have no evidence. If they had evidence they would have a Pulitzer Prize. Like Watergate, the 911Truth conclusions would earn a Pulitzer Prize but 911Truth conclusions are delusions.

So here we have a high-ranking military man...

http://www.prisonplanet.com/290204degrand.mp3

... and all you are saying is repeating the mantra 'no evidence'. You have a little bit of a credibility problem, wouldn't you think?

Especially since we have an independent source (Elisabeth Nelson) that confirms the story that flight93 was shot down by the military:

http://prisonplanet.com/images/april2009/080409clip.mp3

... which again is entirely consistent with the absence of debris.

That's enough evidence to know that flight93 was shot down and did not crash in the ground after spiraling down after in ran out of control after a struggle between lets-rollers and muzzies.

Link
Footage of the crash site showed barely any debris whatsoever. Compare this
to any other plane crash in history and the contrast is astounding.

The debris field of Flight 93 was eight miles wide - investigators found a
second debris field three miles away from the main crash site at Indian
Lake, and a third debris field in New Baltimore, eight miles away. This is
entirely consistent with the plane having been shot down.

Several eyewitnesses described hearing explosions before Flight 93 crashed
and others said they heard missiles.

And here is more about the Portugal conference led by the colonel.

 

[beachnut]

So here we have a high-ranking military man...

Footage of the crash site showed barely any debris whatsoever. Compare this
to any other plane crash in history and the contrast is astounding.

The debris field of Flight 93 was eight miles wide - investigators found a
second debris field three miles away from the main crash site at Indian
Lake, and a third debris field in New Baltimore, eight miles away. This is
entirely consistent with the plane having been shot down.

Several eyewitnesses described hearing explosions before Flight 93 crashed
and others said they heard missiles. ...

No debris; I love it when you fail to do any research at all and post lies.

The debris was all over the place after 93 hit at 600 mph. I was in the air force and worked (in charge of the scene) crash scene like this, but at slower speed of impact, but complete breakup of the aircraft. I have many pictures of 93 debris.


Not the first time a Col went nuts making up lies; you have no nut case Col with zero evidence. If you had something you and the idiot Col would have a Pulitzer Prize. Instead you have nut case ideas and delusions. No Prize.

The impact of flight 93 is what a 600 mph impact looks like.

The eight mile debris field is a delusion you are supporting? The items found further than a few hundred yards were small enough to be blown by the wind when ejected from the high speed impact.

Present exactly what was found 8 miles away. Good luck.

The FDR of 93 shows the plane was in one piece when it hit. Instead of talking and making up lies you should have studied the FDR and you would not be making dirt dumb posts supporting some delusions from some nuts in 911Truth.

A missile? Present the evidence. There were no planes near 93 with missiles on 911. You believe in lies. You have no evidence you have hearsay and no sources with evidence.

You have posted more lies, hearsay and delusions backed up with no evidence. As I stated clearly, if you had what you say you have you would have a Pulitzer Prize. Do you have more than dirt dumb delusions?

 

[9/11-investigator]

JamesB posted this link earlier in this thread in oct 2006:

http://www.freedomisforeverybody.org/M/Col. Donn de Grand-Pre 64.mp3

Another colonel called our colonel over the phone to talk about 9/11 after the Alex Jones interview: they confirm the entire Bollyn-line: the neocon-conspiracy, Israel, even Zakheim, the fear for another 9/11, the mentioning of a sense of resistance within the army to crush the neocon conspiracy.

Revealing.

 

[9/11-investigator]

[qimg]http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris8sm.jpg[/qimg]

What, you want to sell that little piece of grass littered with cow dung as Boeing debris???

I really have to protect Boeing against you.
Who needs evidence when I have you to debunk yourself!

 

[9/11-investigator]

Here is an MSM report dating 13 sept 2001:

http://post-gazette.com/headlines/20010913somersetp3.asp

Finding the flight data recorder had been the focus of investigators as they widened their search area today following the discoveries of more debris, including what appeared to be human remains, miles from the point of impact at a reclaimed coal mine.

Residents and workers at businesses outside Shanksville, Somerset County, reported discovering clothing, books, papers and what appeared to be human remains. Some residents said they collected bags-full of items to be turned over to investigators. Others reported what appeared to be crash debris floating in Indian Lake, nearly six miles from the immediate crash scene.

So who is 'dirt dumb lying' here.
You are.

 

[PB2007]

including what appeared to be human remains

Others reported what appeared to be crash debris floating in Indian Lake, nearly six miles from the immediate crash scene.

...and did it turn out to be crash debris / human remains, or just something that looked like it? Appearances can be deceptive....

 

[9/11-investigator]

...and did it turn out to be crash debris / human remains, or just something that looked like it? Appearances can be deceptive....

You are quoting selectively. The qualifier 'appeared' was linked to the human remains. The full quote was:

following the discoveries of more debris, including what appeared to be human remains, miles from the point of impact


No reservations were stated regarding debris located miles from the poi.

F93 was shot down. An F16 pilot from the 'Happy Hooligans' went up because the plane was flying over verboten territory, intercepted the plane, flew next to it, saw the Euro-American pilots hanging over their controls, unconscious or dead; same picture for the passengers. The pilot reported this and he got his order to shoot the plane down since it was flying over sparsely inhabited terrain. This story is consistent both with the story from the colonel and from miss Nelson. F93 was a failure in the planning of the plotters and the reason was the 41 minute delay it unexpectedly had and hence F93 had lost it surprise advantage. The military men who had given the shootdown order got an order in their turn from higher up to shut up.

 

[PB2007]

No reservations were stated regarding debris located miles from the poi.

From the article...

Others reported what appeared to be crash debris floating in Indian Lake, nearly six miles from the immediate crash scene

Apart from the qualifier in bold, you mean?

In BOTH cases it says it APPEARS to be debris and human remains. The questions is

Did it turn out to be debris and / or human remains or just something that looked like it?

 

[jhunter1163]

The debris field for Pan Am 103 (which actually broke up in midair) was in the thousands of square miles. The debris field for Flight 93 was in the single figures of square miles.

What does this tell you, truthers?

 

[9/11-investigator]

The debris field for Pan Am 103 (which actually broke up in midair) was in the thousands of square miles. The debris field for Flight 93 was in the single figures of square miles.

What does this tell you, truthers?

Pan Am 103 did not 'break up' but was blown up with a bomb, an event comparable with the rocket that brought down F93.

But are you saying that F93 broke up in midair as well? Hopefully you are not trying to sell me the idea that F93 flew into the ground as one piece and that after the crash parts of the plane just bumped along for a couple of miles like a basketball.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Edited by chillzero: 

Edited for Rule 11. There are plenty of threads to discuss CIT. Keep this thread on topic - you've had enough splits already.

 

[jhunter1163]

Pan Am 103 did not 'break up' but was blown up with a bomb, an event comparable with the rocket that brought down F93.

But are you saying that F93 broke up in midair as well? Hopefully you are not trying to sell me the idea that F93 flew into the ground as one piece and that after the crash parts of the plane just bumped along for a couple of miles like a basketball.

If UA93 blew up in midair, parts of it would have been scattered for miles and miles in every direction, as was seen with PA103.

This was NOT seen with UA93. Most (>90%) of the plane was found within 300 yards of the impact site, and the only debris that was found at any great distance was very light stuff that could have been blown on the wind.

From this we can conclude that, since UA93's debris was not scattered to any great extent, it did not explode in midair as PA103 did.

And that's not even mentioning the fact that UA93's FDR shows that the plane was functioning normally right up until impact.