Coleman Franken Redux

Tricky said:
Here's the keys to the story:

The Minnesota Majority describes itself as "Standing together for traditional values", meaning, of course, a right-wing religious group.

Yes, I have no doubt that all these groups are doing their level best to overturn the results of what is possibly the most closely scrutinized vote in history.
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That's what I wonder about. Could these wing nuts actually believe that the election result could be overturned? Unless they have a way of determining exactly how those felons voted, it wouldn't matter if they found that 100,000 people voted illegally. The votes were cast and there is no way of reconstructing the "true" outcome.

I would hope they aren't that stupid, but....

And if they do have a way of determining how those felons voted, someone has some 'splainin' to do.



I assume that what is really going on is just wanting to throw some fuel on the fire and say nasty things about Al Franken and the Democrats as a way of posturing for future elections.
 
Meadmaker said:
I assume that what is really going on is just wanting to throw some fuel on the fire and say nasty things about Al Franken and the Democrats as a way of posturing for future elections.
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FoxNews' animus towards Al Franken burns brighter than a Type "O" star.
 
It'd be hilarious if it turned out that most of the ineligible voters had cast for Coleman.
 
A few years back, the Republicants were shrieking like little punks that there had been some large-scale voting by felons in the race between Chris Gregoire and Dino Rossi for Governor of Washington State.

The Tacoma News Tribune was able to track down three fraudulent voters. Two had cast ballots for deceased spouses, for Rossi(R) and one felon voted Libertarian.

Minnesota Majority are either deliberately dishonest or superstitious twits.
 
leftysergeant said:
A few years back, the Republicants were shrieking like little punks that there had been some large-scale voting by felons in the race between Chris Gregoire and Dino Rossi for Governor of Washington State.

The Tacoma News Tribune was able to track down three fraudulent voters. Two had cast ballots for deceased spouses, for Rossi(R) and one felon voted Libertarian.

Minnesota Majority are either deliberately dishonest or superstitious twits.
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The evidence suggests deliberately dishonest.

A Republican friend of mine was sent a notice in that election his signature had been challenged. He had 2 days to show up at the voter registration office and verify his signature or they would toss out his vote.

He assumed it was some Democrat who had challenged his vote. But I showed him that nowhere except in the primaries is your party affiliation on the ballot.

What really happened was the Republics* had gone through all the ballots just in King County (a heavily Democratic voting county) picking out any signatures that didn't look exactly right and challenging those votes. My friend had registered several decades earlier. Lots of people's signatures don't look the same after 20 or more years. It's easy to find signatures like that to challenge.

Of course for the people who didn't bother to immediately get to the county voter registration office during business hours within 2 days, the Republics* claimed those were all fraudulent voters.

Then they put out news reports of 'massive' voter fraud in King County. They pushed the Dept. of Justice to prosecute the supposed massive voter fraud case.

John McKay, the Republic* appointed federal attorney refused to do anything and pointed out without auditing the signatures in every county and not just King County, you could not make the case that voter fraud in King County altered the governor's race.

That led to Bush firing John McKay as one of the infamous 8 federal attorney's who wouldn't prosecutes Democrats for political purposes that Bush fired.

None of that stopped Republics* from promoting the lie that massive voter fraud in King County got Gregoire elected, nor did any prominent Republics ever speak out against the blatant abuse of power the Department of Justice actions under Bush represented.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
What really happened was the Republics* had gone through all the ballots just in King County (a heavily Democratic voting county) picking out any signatures that didn't look exactly right and challenging those votes. My friend had registered several decades earlier. Lots of people's signatures don't look the same after 20 or more years. It's easy to find signatures like that to challenge.
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Absolutely. A friend of mine was diagnosed with Parkinson's between the time he registered to vote and the time he signed and when he voted around 20 years later. When he found his ballot was challenged, he laughed.
 
There is no evidence of massive voter fraud conducted by the Democrats. ACORN is not known to have caused the enrollment of any significant number of inelligible voters.

There is massive evidence of Republican election fraud.

The touch-screen voting macjhines are subject to tampering without detection. Rover's caging letters were a dirty trick. sometimes he sent them to people who were deployed to some of the Shrub's idiot military adventures.

Ken Blackwell made arbitrary rules without notifying people that they were not going to be allowed to vote unless they re-registered, and the Harris twit deliberately threw out voters who just happened to have similar names to felons without verifying that they were the same persons.

And until Coleman has refunded all of the illegal campaign contributions he recieved, I shall not refer to him as a respectable citizen.

The Republican Party is a criminal cartel.
 
Maybe the Minnesotans are trying to pull a Katherine Harris. For those of you who missed this episode, after an extremely close Senate race where a recount was needed, Republicans complained that there were thousands of felons on Florida voting rolls. It was decided that a cleanup of the rolls was necessary. Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris farmed out the work to an out of state firm. That firm purged the voter rolls of known felons. Unfortunately, they also purged the rolls of an awful lot of people who were not felons and were perfectly elibible to vote. Many of them didn't find out until election day that they had been mistakenly* purged from the polling lists.

However, since the election day was election day of the year 2000 this overzealous poll list cleansing in all probability was enough to throw the election to George W. Bush.

It's a pity you can't have a do-over in such cases, but you can't. What's done is done, and Al Gore did not become President, and Al Franken did become Senator.

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* I always assume incompetence is a better explanation than malice unless there is reason to believe otherwise. On the other hand, when a potential mistake is likely to result in an advantage to your side, you are less likely to watch very carefully to avoid mistakes.
 
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Meadmaker said:
* I always assume incompetence is a better explanation than malice unless there is reason to believe otherwise. On the other hand, when a potential mistake is likely to result in an advantage to your side, you are less likely to watch very carefully to avoid mistakes.
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Given that:

a. The person charged with maintianing the integrity of the voter registration system was closely assosciated with the campaign of one of the candidates for president

b. That the majority of the felons in the state have names drawn from a pool of names which occur predominantly in one or two ethnic groups

c. That the ethnic groups represented by that pool of names tend to vote against the party with which the person maintaining the voter roles identifies

I have to conclude malicious intent in not verifying the names by birth dates and social security numbers.
 
leftysergeant said:
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I have to conclude malicious intent in not verifying the names by birth dates and social security numbers.
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And there is a lot more evidence than just one incident. Caging was not only carried out in more than one county, the Republics* were found guilty of it. Clearly the firing of the 8 Dept of Justice attorneys was not an accident. Anything innocently done here would be the exception, not the rule.
 
hgc said:
My favorite Fox News way of making the accusation while pretending it's not them making it: Some say Pawlenty makes sweet love to goats under the full moon. Ann Coulter will join us to discuss the allegation.
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Of course if you were making the accusation you would be in the opinion section of fox news. But reporting on the accusation is perfect for the news section of fox news.
 
quadraginta said:
I'd be more inclined to expect convicted felons to vote for the conservative candidate. After all, just because they were caught is no reason to think they would turn against their own kind.
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"A liberal is a conservative that has spent the night in jail, and a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged."
 
So, has Coleman given the illegal funds he recieved to a legitimate charity for veterans yet?
 
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