Merged Cold Fusion Claims

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Horatius said:
Several comments:


3) It's carbon, according to some other sites I found while looking into this, in case anyone wants to get started on point #2 above :D
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NO,
according to Guglinski it's not carbon.

Look what he says in the Peswiki website, concerning his paper submitted to Andrea Rossi's blog:

... I suggested one element. However, probably the catalyzer is a mixture of some elements (and I think carbon is one of them, beyond that suggested in my paper). And so there is need to know what is the correct percentage of each of the elements.


http://peswiki.com/index.php/PowerPedia:the_mistery_on_the_Andrea_Rossi's_catalyzer
:)
 
Horatius said:
Several comments:

2) If, as is far more likely, this is all a scam, of course he doesn't want to publish (and endorse the findings of) something that "reveals" the catalyst, as that would allow real researchers to run their own experiments showing that it doesn't work. So long as the catalyst was unidentified, he could wave away any negative results by claiming they used the wrong catalyst material.
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:)
it's seems it's not the case.
Look at Andrea Rossi's reply to Guglinski:

Andrea Rossi
July 16th, 2011 at 9:13 AM

Dear Wladimir Guglinski,
You are very good in this science and I am sure you are making very good things. I am sure you are among those who are or will be able to replicate my effect studying the patent.
Warmest Regards, my friend. And a hug to Brazil!
A.R.
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=462&cpage=1#comment-53878
:rolleyes:
 
pedrone said:
:)
it's seems it's not the case.
Look at Andrea Rossi's reply to Guglinski:

Andrea Rossi
July 16th, 2011 at 9:13 AM

Dear Wladimir Guglinski,
You are very good in this science and I am sure you are making very good things. I am sure you are among those who are or will be able to replicate my effect studying the patent.
Warmest Regards, my friend. And a hug to Brazil!
A.R.
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=462&cpage=1#comment-53878
:rolleyes:
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Except the only mention of a catalyst on that page seems to be:

Dear Dr. Andrea Rossi

in my paper it’s suggested the element to be the best catalyzer for your E-Cat.
In the case the element suggested by my paper is the most important element used as catalyzer in your E-Cat, you can publish the paper with the following note:

NOTE of the editor:
Guglinski’s paper suggests correctly the principal element used as catalyzer in the E-Cat.
However, as Andrea Rossi did not get yet the patent for the E-Cat in USA, the element will not be revealed in the paper here published.
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So they still haven't published it.
 
Horatius said:
Except the only mention of a catalyst on that page seems to be:



So they still haven't published it.
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:)
Horatius,
look what Guglinski posted in the end of the peswiki link:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/PowerPedia:the_mistery_on_the_Andrea_Rossi's_catalyzer



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Andrea Rossi
July 16th, 2011 at 9:13 AM

Dear Wladimir Guglinski,
You are very good in this science and I am sure you are making very good things. I am sure you are among those who are or will be able to replicate my effect studying the patent.
Warmest Regards, my friend. And a hug to Brazil!
A.R.
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Wladimir Guglinski
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
July 17th, 2011 at 7:46 PM

Dear Dr. Andrea Rossi
So, it seems my paper suggests the correct element used in your E-Cat.
Therefore, my paper cannot be published in your journal.
At least not before you get the patent from USA.

I will NOT publish my paper in PESWIKI. I will wait you get the patent.

Best wishes,
regards
WLADIMIR GUGLINSKI
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=462&cpage=1#comment-53878
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The comment was not approved in Rossi's blog.

He sent the following email to Guglinski:



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Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 03:29:07 +0200
From: info@leonardocorp1996.com
To: wladimirguglinski@hotmail.com
Subject: Andrea Rossi

Dear Wladimir:
Smart Persons don't need too many words:
Thank you,
Warm regards,
Andrea Rossi
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:)


Horatius,
are you a smart person ?



:)
 
As an antidote to Rossi's irksome vagueness, well illustrated in recent posts, I hope I may be permitted to present a very detailed hypothesis on the processes underlying cold fusion.

http://newenergyandfuel.com/http:/n...ished-physics-has-another-new-fusion-problem/ Robert Godes on July 23, 2011 11:23 PM:
Based on the Brillouin Energy Corp.(BEC) hypothesis and supporting experiments at Brillouin Energy, LENR is driven by a weak interaction. Any material with a unit cell or molecule able to include hydrogen nuclei and obtain or exceed a Molecular Hamiltonian of 782KeV due to the superposition of phonons (dT < fSec) has the potential to run a Controlled Electron Capture Reaction (CECR) process, providing the system has conduction or valence band electrons available for capture. ... The electron capture event provides a natural reduction in energy of the system instantly removing 782KeV of energy from the unit cell nanoparticle or molecule. That energy represents the removal of a proton from the bounding Coulombic box, an electron, and conversion of energy to mass.
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Be warned, however, that an understanding of this hypothesis requires "some knowledge in several different disciplines" which I readily admit I don't possess.

Mr Godes is the main funder of research into the Brillouin "slamming" fusion process, discussed earlier in this thread. He provides a link http://www.brillouinenergy.com/BrillouinEnergyHypo but if you try to connect, you get the hilarious message
You have entered an incorrect User Name and Password or requested a page that does not exist on BrillouinEnergy.com.* If you were attempting to log in for more information on investing in Brillouin energy please ... call us for a username and password.
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and if you're not interested in "investing" you can go and boil your head, evidently.
 
pedrone said:
Horatius,
are you a smart person ?



:)
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Well, apparently not smart enough to see what you think the point of reposting all that was.


If you'll recall, we were discussing this point I made:


Horatius said:
2) If, as is far more likely, this is all a scam, of course he doesn't want to publish (and endorse the findings of) something that "reveals" the catalyst, as that would allow real researchers to run their own experiments showing that it doesn't work. So long as the catalyst was unidentified, he could wave away any negative results by claiming they used the wrong catalyst material.
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...and all that you've just posted supports what I said there - they haven't actually published the identification of the catalyst.

So I really can't image what sort of point you think you're making with this. Go ahead and pretend that makes you smarter than me, if you'd like.
 
Horatius said:
Well, apparently not smart enough to see what you think the point of reposting all that was.


If you'll recall, we were discussing this point I made:





...and all that you've just posted supports what I said there - they haven't actually published the identification of the catalyst.

So I really can't image what sort of point you think you're making with this. Go ahead and pretend that makes you smarter than me, if you'd like.
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Horatius,
Andrea Rossi has so many problems to solve, in order to put the factory in Grecce working supplied by his E-Cat.

I think Guglinski does not want to put one more problem in Rossi's hand, by publishing his paper, with the identification of the catalyst.
After all, as Rossi did not get the USA patent yet, he is afraid some of his competitors may stole his invention.
:)
 
pedrone said:
Horatius,
Andrea Rossi has so many problems to solve, in order to put the factory in Grecce working supplied by his E-Cat.

I think Guglinski does not want to put one more problem in Rossi's hand, by publishing his paper, with the identification of the catalyst.
After all, as Rossi did not get the USA patent yet, he is afraid some of his competitors may stole his invention.
:)
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Not if he knows anything about patents. In the U.S., it's first to file. If Rossi has already filed, he's covered.
On the other hand, if he hasn't yet filed, a product which has previously been sold is not eligible for a patent. So getting a factory running and product to retailers may not be the best use of his time, if he has a technology over which he would like to maintain control.
 
TjW said:
Not if he knows anything about patents. In the U.S., it's first to file. If Rossi has already filed, he's covered.
On the other hand, if he hasn't yet filed, a product which has previously been sold is not eligible for a patent. So getting a factory running and product to retailers may not be the best use of his time, if he has a technology over which he would like to maintain control.
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The one thing this whole affair demonstrates conclusively, is that Rossi, and apparently all of his die-hard supporters, have absolutely no idea how the patent system, in the US or elsewhere, actually operates.

Of course, some other people have similar problems, such as saying that the US is a first-to-file system. :D


The United States is unique in using a first-to-invent system. Canada and the Philippines had similar, although slightly different, systems until 1989 and 1998, respectively.[1] Invention in the U.S. is generally defined to comprise two steps: (1) conception of the invention and (2) reduction to practice of the invention. When an inventor conceives of an invention and diligently reduces the invention to practice (by filing a patent application, by practicing the invention, etc), the inventor's date of invention will be the date of conception. Thus, provided an inventor is diligent in actually reducing an application to practice, he or she will be the first inventor and the inventor entitled to a patent, even if another files a patent application, constructively reducing the invention to practice, before the inventor.[2]

However, the first applicant to file has the prima facie right to the grant of a patent. Should a second patent application be filed for the same invention, the second applicant can institute interference proceedings to determine who was the first inventor (as discussed in the preceding paragraph) and thereby who is entitled to the grant of a patent. Interference can be an expensive and time-consuming process.
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So, while first-to-file is the most likely to get a patent in the US, it's not a slam-dunk.

Of course, that would require a complete disclosure of their invention, which Rossi has all but admitted he hasn't supplied, so he's pretty much screwed on the patent issue no matter what he does now.
 
Some news about Rossi and patents. See http://www.ecatnews.net/?author=5
A conference titled 'Has cold fusion become a reality?' was held at 4:00 PM July 23 at Villa Borbone in Viareggio, Italy. The conference was hosted by Italian solar energy company Delta Energie. Among the participants were Andrea Rossi via Skype; his research partner, retired University of Bologna physicist Sergio Focardi, via a pre-recorded presentation [etc.] ...
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I can't find an Italian company "Delta Energie". There's one of that name in the Netherlands.
16.13 – Rossi is contacted on Skype, he confirms delivery of the 1MW plant according schedule. The first industrial plant will be delivered 'patent pending' hoping that this will push the European patent application. Domestic reactors will have to wait a couple of years due to certifications.
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I think the last sentence above is the smoking gun. Any Rossi supporters still out there?
 
Horatius said:
The one thing this whole affair demonstrates conclusively, is that Rossi, and apparently all of his die-hard supporters, have absolutely no idea how the patent system, in the US or elsewhere, actually operates.

Of course, some other people have similar problems, such as saying that the US is a first-to-file system. :D





So, while first-to-file is the most likely to get a patent in the US, it's not a slam-dunk.

Of course, that would require a complete disclosure of their invention, which Rossi has all but admitted he hasn't supplied, so he's pretty much screwed on the patent issue no matter what he does now.
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Mea culpa. I suspect that's probably an attempt to get around things like the Selden/Henry Ford patent fight.
 
Rossi selling out to powerful corporations?

I've been off the site for awhile and haven't done much to check back posts. So if this has already been covered, I apologize.

On pesn.com there was recent allusion to the value of Rossi's E-cat being lowered because it now appears he is in collusion with powerful corporations. In other words when/if this becomes commercial the benefit will be mainly to the rich and benefit to the common man will be greatly reduced. At least that's what I get from it.

Does anyone have any more information on this?
 
Let me give you better info on my above post. The commentary appeared in a pesn article on a technology called Solid State Generator and went as follows:

""
Sterling: How would you compare this to the Rossi Cold Fusion System?

Mark: I applaud the Rossi System on its potential impact in saving valuable resources and its impact on the environment. However, from what I read it will be in the hands of big corporations who will build and license to power producers, it will not be in the hands of everyday people. You will still get your power bill from the utilities. The technologies here will be in the hands of everyone and will be used to power everyday appliances and technologies. Eventually as it is scaled up, it will be available to provide power for larger applications, but there may be engineering limitations.

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BenBurch said:
And since it doesn't, and never will, it's a nonsense question.
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Its amazing how many skeptics have dropped out of this thread now that the support in favor of e-cat is becoming overwhelming. Of course there are the die hards who will stay on to the bitter end.
 
attaboy said:
Its amazing how many skeptics have dropped out of this thread now that the support in favor of e-cat is becoming overwhelming. Of course there are the die hards who will stay on to the bitter end.
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Wait; what? "Overwhelming"? Where is that? Lots of cold fusion enthusiasts coming out in support of the latest cold fusion fad is far from "overwhelming".

People have "dropped out of the thread" because there's nothing new being said. They're just repeating the same unconvincing claims, and saying, "Just you wait!"

So, we're waiting. October, was it? Until then, there's nothing more to discuss.
 
attaboy said:
Its amazing how many skeptics have dropped out of this thread now that the support in favor of e-cat is becoming overwhelming. Of course there are the die hards who will stay on to the bitter end.
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Um, what overwhelming evidence are you talking about, nice use of citation.

See you in December
 
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