Merged Cold Fusion Claims

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HoverBoarder said:
Here is another good paper by Peter Ekstrom calculating why the steam levels don't add up:

http://www.fysik.org/WebSite/fragelada/resurser/cold_fusion_krivit.pdf
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Note that he just repeats calculation of steam flow rate I published
earlier (just with assumption of 1 cm radius vs my 0.5cm).

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=7301190#post7301190
and
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=7307028#post7307028

So, yes it totally makes sense (I still think internal radius looks more like
0.5mc), and also note the "storm-level" assignments from my message that indicate expected noise levels.

Regards,
Yevgen
 
By "afraid of" I'm sure you mean "depressed by," because it's simply depressing anyone could believe this.
 
Jimmy42 said:
It is depressing how credulous people are in general. Unless you are a grifter.
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Is this a major problem with the world that can never be resolved, and so will always constitute a major impediment to human progress?
 
An exercise in conspirology

Version 1:
There is no cold fusion reactor, and there is a fraud, but the inventor himself is not a fraudster. It is quite possible that he is just experiencing some mental problems (like many-many other inventors) which prevent him from admitting unpleasant facts of reality. Medical textbooks are full of descriptions of such mental states and similar cases.
But there is some other person, hidden behind the curtain. He is cold and rational, and he chose the inventor as a “scapegoat” for the final acts of this tragedy: when all the money will be gathered, and the time will come to run away as quickly as possible.

Version 2:
The inventor does have a real working cold fusion reactor, and one of scenarios he is considering: to get money from the “Big Oil”. To be able to do so, he should not leave any undeniable proof that his reactor works. Only in such case the “Big Oil” can safely come to agreement with him, and hide this invention in some dark place for many years to come – until oil resources exhausted.
 
mike3 said:
Is this a major problem with the world that can never be resolved, and so will always constitute a major impediment to human progress?
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Why are there so few posts in the Education Forum? Is it too hard, or just not fun enough? The number of viewers in that section is amongst the lowest of the categories.
 
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Only in such case the “Big Oil” can safely come to agreement with him, and hide this invention in some dark place for many years to come – until oil resources exhausted.
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Exactly; just as "Big Pony Express" hid Samuel Morse's telegraph until they had run out of horseshoes. (Maybe I should add a :) just in case ... )
 
User27182 said:
Version 2:
The inventor does have a real working cold fusion reactor, and one of scenarios he is considering: to get money from the “Big Oil”. To be able to do so, he should not leave any undeniable proof that his reactor works. Only in such case the “Big Oil” can safely come to agreement with him, and hide this invention in some dark place for many years to come – until oil resources exhausted.
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The problem with this plan is, Mother Nature is a slut.

That is, science works for anyone who asks the right questions. Assuming for a moment that this actually works as claimed, there are several people working in this area, that is, nickel-based LENR, and as we've seen, most of these people are not discouraged by years, or even decades, of failed attempts to produce excess energy. Eventually one or more other people will find the same catalysts that Rossi is using. Big Oil would have to keep suppressing this every single time - and if even one of these people decides that being one of the greatest scientific heroes in history is worth more that a few billion dollars, the whole house of cards comes down.
 
I can't buy the big oil scenario. First of all, I suspect that "big oil" can always sell enough oil to make big money. Even if the LENR setup worked, we'd still have millions of cars on the highway, homes to heat, things to lubricate, plastics to manufacture. Even if LENR cut into big oil's profits eventually, it would take a long time for the infrastructure to change, and I can't see why they would ever be willing to pony up as big a sum to suppress it as any number of "Big" interests would pay to own it. About the only interest I can imagine being threatened enough to do something would be "Big Corn," but I doubt they take it seriously either.
 
bruto said:
I can't buy the big oil scenario. First of all, I suspect that "big oil" can always sell enough oil to make big money. Even if the LENR setup worked, we'd still have millions of cars on the highway, homes to heat, things to lubricate, plastics to manufacture. Even if LENR cut into big oil's profits eventually, it would take a long time for the infrastructure to change, and I can't see why they would ever be willing to pony up as big a sum to suppress it as any number of "Big" interests would pay to own it. About the only interest I can imagine being threatened enough to do something would be "Big Corn," but I doubt they take it seriously either.
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Exactly. If some sort of low cost energy source was developed it'd cause such a stimulus to the global economy that the demand for oil could well increase once the initial disruptions had stabilised. Long term the non-fuel consumption of oil/gas (which I believe are ~42% worldwide) would be far harder to change.
 
Dancing David said:
Considering the numbers of players in Big Corn, and the leterogenous nature of the industry, it seems even more unlikely.
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Typo for heterogeneous? Probably so, but since the fuel use of corn is widespread and heavily subsidized, one could at least imagine a scenario in which producers of corn would resist change. They may be heterogeneous, but they seem to be pretty well organized when it comes to lobbying for those subsidies. I don't think LENR will be an issue for them anyway, but I could see "big corn" being more threatened by major changes in energy production than some other "bigs." But it's a mildly amusing game of "what-if" and not worth much bandwidth.
 
bruto said:
Typo for heterogeneous? Probably so, but since the fuel use of corn is widespread and heavily subsidized, one could at least imagine a scenario in which producers of corn would resist change. They may be heterogeneous, but they seem to be pretty well organized when it comes to lobbying for those subsidies. I don't think LENR will be an issue for them anyway, but I could see "big corn" being more threatened by major changes in energy production than some other "bigs." But it's a mildly amusing game of "what-if" and not worth much bandwidth.
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I just meant that compared to seven multi national corporations that control global oil, corn is produced in many places, stored by many people and traded in a totally decentralized fashion. Ethanol keeps the price up, but not like the demand for meat, which is recovering from the dip of the recession. Ethanol kept corn at an all time high during the recession, but the pressure on corn prices is mainly food demand. The low levels of carry over/out indicate that it is still a seller's market, and given the demand on soy bean meal and oil it indicates a continuing high food demand.



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