Merged Cold Fusion Claims

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Yeah my comment is "where are the stinkin' neutron?"
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Maybe the slamming slams into an up quark and turns it into a down quark, or something like that.
 
Craig B said:
The founder of the company involved in this LENR project is a VERY interesting person, somehow eerily typical of cold fusion promoters. Complex business deals, and not boring Establishment Science, seem to be his forte. See http://efie.net/
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It reminds me of John Worrell Keely who also pimped a magic generator that tapped "the vibratory energy of the ether" 150 years ago. More here.
 
Craig B said:
So they shut him down. Sort of reminds you of Galileo, in a way.
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No actually it doesn't remind me of Galileo Galilei in the slightest, probably because I've studied him, and his trial, in quite some detail.
 
catsmate1


Re Galileo. Sorry, I forgot to add a :). I keep getting into trouble about that!
 
nathan said:
The description is gibberish. 'dihydrogen', is that like regular H2 gas, or is it deuterium, or is it He2 (which doesn't exist). Similarly for 'H3' and 'H4'.

ETA: He2 -> He2
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This.
The only common meaning for dihydrogen is diatomic hydrogen, i.e. the common form of the gas. Hydrogen doesn't commonly form H3 except as the H3+ ion in space.
 
Craig B said:
catsmate1


Re Galileo. Sorry, I forgot to add a :). I keep getting into trouble about that!
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Yeah sorry. People invoking Galileo is one of my triggers. I'm trying to keep my tendency to post detailed diatribes under control:)
 
Some interesting data about testing on the Defkalion forum, apparently there will be a few Greek agencies that will test the E-Cat system during the first ten days in July, and Defkalion will publish the findings on their site. It's not clear how independent the testing will be:

http://coldfusionnow.wordpress.com/2011/06/24/defkalion-internal-tests/
http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=43

Defkalion GT said:
A big number of in house lab prototype e-cat tests have been succesfully concluded by Defkalion GT during the previous months. As far as we know, there are no any more third party testing or demos scheduled on lab prototype e-cats (similar to Kullander or other) till November.

At the moment there are no other third party testing on Hyperion Products other than the ones in progress by the Greek Authorities.
Results of these official tests on performance, stability, functionality and safety will be released following the issuing of the final Certificates by the Greek Authorities

Any other scheduled before end of October third-party-tests on Hyperion products and their results (including data, protocols etc) will be announced and published through DGT official site.
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They also note here what Greek Agencies will be doing the testing: http://ecatnews.com/?p=246

Defkalion GT said:
Out of the CE standards, Hyperion products (kW or MW range) have to pass all tests described the Greek and EU lows according to their industrial code classification.
The Authorities responsible to test and certify are
-The Ministry of Regional Development and Industry
-The Ministry of Environment and Energy
through their appointed by low labs.

If you can read greek, we can send to you all relevant legislation for your info.
Thank you for your question
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HoverBoarder said:
Some interesting data about testing on the Defkalion forum, apparently there will be a few Greek agencies that will test the E-Cat system during the first ten days in July, and Defkalion will publish the findings on their site. It's not clear how independent the testing will be:

http://coldfusionnow.wordpress.com/2011/06/24/defkalion-internal-tests/
http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=43




They also note here what Greek Agencies will be doing the testing: http://ecatnews.com/?p=246
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And so the deliberate confusion begins - which Hyperion products does this refer to - those that Defkalion has usurped the name for, or those made by the Hyperion company?
 
HoverBoarder,

Some interesting data about testing on the Defkalion forum, apparently there will be a few Greek agencies that will test the E-Cat system during the first ten days in July, and Defkalion will publish the findings on their site. It's not clear how independent the testing will be:
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And you quote Defkalion:

As far as we know, there are no any more third party testing or demos scheduled on lab prototype e-cats (similar to Kullander or other) till November. At the moment there are no other third party testing on Hyperion Products other than the ones in progress by the Greek Authorities. ...
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Kid Eager

And so the deliberate confusion begins - which Hyperion products does this refer to - those that Defkalion has usurped the name for, or those made by the Hyperion company?
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I don't think Defkalion are referring to the "nuclear batteries" offered by the entirely separate Hyperion of New Mexico - that would be going too far, even for the Rossi gang! I think this is an early example of obfuscation made possible by the two-tier marketing strategy discussed above at posts 1702, 1705, 1736 and 1738. The "Hyperion products" to be tested by the "Greek authorities" must be the designs or prototypes of the bolt-on peripheral components, which are nothing special, and this testing doesn't seem to apply to the magic e-cat "kernel". The test program for the magic e-cat is given above in very vague terms, "as far as we know ... " etc.

Surely this distinction is intentional and significant.
 
EcatNews is a rattling good read, by the way. The interview (25 June) with one of the most valued e-cat believers is fascinating http://ecatnews.com/?paged=2

Nobel Physicist Brian Josephson is a true champion – a high achiever, pretty damned smart and a ‘to-hell-with-closed-minds’ fire in his belly. ... It’s funny that people aren’t interested, but it has its historical precedents. One thing that was pretty similar was when the Wright brothers ... [etc, etc, ad nauseam] ... His first reactor is due to be produced in October, and he has a buyer for it. People, by the way, don’t have to pay until they’re convinced it is working, which is not what fraudsters do. So I think gradually it will take off.
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but guess what!
The unfortunate thing is there’s been a delay; there will be a delay in it getting going because the journals, and the media who follow the scientists, are refusing to publish anything. That delay will have consequences. It really does matter, from that point of view, that the scientists and the media are looking away.
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