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Ed Cleo Smith

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Not sure if this has made the news outside of Australasia so far, but it's a hot story here, and more so in Oz - 4 yo girl goes missing from a camping ground. A southern hemisphere Madeline McCann.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10...tings-of-missing-wa-girl-cleo-smith/100575154

All the evidence points to abduction, so the outlook is pretty grim.

Predictably, the trolls are at work, accusing the parents of killing her, or being complicit in some way. And in another shade of the McCann story, not looking sad enough.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/in...ths-disappearance/UOWTHAJKPYHJQAI2K6A6ATTQHE/
 
Vixen said:
Surely, it is more akin to Lindy Chamberlain..?
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The only thing similar is the CT ***** blaming the parents. The CTers were wrong from day one, then and now.

No dingo involved. No parents involved. This thread is pointless.
 
lionking said:
No parents involved.
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I think that's wrong, and why there's a striking similarity to Madeline McCann.

The parents allowed her to sleep in a tent on her own.

I know with 100% certainty that none of my kids would ever have ever been in that situation. When I take my kids camping - and we take them to both paid camping grounds and out-in-bush camping - the children sleep with me, and I'm in front of the entry. They can't get out, and nobody can get in, without waking me up first.

Personally, I see that as no different to withholding medical treatment, or other forms of neglect.

I don't know about Aussie, but it's a criminal offence to leave children under 12 alone in NZ, and in a separate tent is alone enough to qualify in my book.
 
The Atheist said:
I think that's wrong, and why there's a striking similarity to Madeline McCann.

The parents allowed her to sleep in a tent on her own.

I know with 100% certainty that none of my kids would ever have ever been in that situation. When I take my kids camping - and we take them to both paid camping grounds and out-in-bush camping - the children sleep with me, and I'm in front of the entry. They can't get out, and nobody can get in, without waking me up first.

Personally, I see that as no different to withholding medical treatment, or other forms of neglect.

I don't know about Aussie, but it's a criminal offence to leave children under 12 alone in NZ, and in a separate tent is alone enough to qualify in my book.
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No they didn’t.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10...return-of-missing-girl-with-tv-plea/100568190

she disappeared from her family's tent
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lionking said:
No they didn’t.
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Ok, my mistake - it read like she was in a different tent, while it was a room in a family tent that had its own opening.

Still not a situation I'd have allowed, but not criminally responsible.
 
The Atheist said:
I think that's wrong, and why there's a striking similarity to Madeline McCann.

The parents allowed her to sleep in a tent on her own.

I know with 100% certainty that none of my kids would ever have ever been in that situation. When I take my kids camping - and we take them to both paid camping grounds and out-in-bush camping - the children sleep with me, and I'm in front of the entry. They can't get out, and nobody can get in, without waking me up first.

Personally, I see that as no different to withholding medical treatment, or other forms of neglect.

I don't know about Aussie, but it's a criminal offence to leave children under 12 alone in NZ, and in a separate tent is alone enough to qualify in my book.
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I'm so glad I grew up when I did, back in the dangerous days of sleeping in a tent ten feet from my parents. Actually us kids usually slept outside under the stars, weather permitting. It would suck to be a kid now.
 
I was under the impression she was in a separate tent. Thanks for the clarification.

Yes, this does have similarities to Madeleine McCann, and CT-wise, Azaria Chamberlain.
 
mgidm86 said:
I'm so glad I grew up when I did, back in the dangerous days of sleeping in a tent ten feet from my parents. Actually us kids usually slept outside under the stars, weather permitting. It would suck to be a kid now.
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Agreed, plus the proponents of the extreme safety-first rules of childcare always say something like "if it saves just one child...", but never take into account the damage done to the children by overprotecting them and not allowing them to explore the world on their own terms and becoming self-reliant: anxiety rates are through the roof.

I don't have any numbers at hand, but I wonder how the number of children "saved" from largely imaginary, or at least extraordinarily rare dangers compare to the increased suicides caused by anxiety. And I only mention suicides as I expect it would be the easiest to quantify. There are many other forms of psychological damage inflicted on kids today in the name of safety.

I don't envy today's children.
 
mgidm86 said:
I'm so glad I grew up when I did, back in the dangerous days of sleeping in a tent ten feet from my parents. Actually us kids usually slept outside under the stars, weather permitting. It would suck to be a kid now.
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I hear you. My wife and I were reminiscing about Halloween tonight and how we would stray more than a mile from home in a suburban area but our parents displayed no overt concern for our safety. All of our kids who have little kids now accompany them on their Halloween jaunt. We once ruled that night. Now it’s too scary for a different reason.
 
Ron Obvious said:
Agreed, plus the proponents of the extreme safety-first rules of childcare always say something like "if it saves just one child...",...
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I'm not a parent who protects my kids from harm - they've been able to go to the playground and walk to school alone from early ages, but I wouldn't have had those sleeping arrangements.
 
The Atheist said:
I'm not a parent who protects my kids from harm - they've been able to go to the playground and walk to school alone from early ages, but I wouldn't have had those sleeping arrangements.
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What ******* sleeping arrangements?

What stupidity. We have taken children on holidays many times, including camping, as have almost every parent. Are you saying parents need to have all kids in the same place/bed?

This idiocy is beyond belief.

But good show. Blame the victims. You are good at this.
 
Athyrio said:
I hear you. My wife and I were reminiscing about Halloween tonight and how we would stray more than a mile from home in a suburban area but our parents displayed no overt concern for our safety. All of our kids who have little kids now accompany them on their Halloween jaunt. We once ruled that night. Now it’s too scary for a different reason.
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I'm astonished that the generation I was from - apparently the last with freedom to wander as kids - turned into such frightened and fearful parents.
 
Darat said:
I'm astonished that the generation I was from - apparently the last with freedom to wander as kids - turned into such frightened and fearful parents.
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And this has exactly what to do with the topic of this thread?
 
lionking said:
And this has exactly what to do with the topic of this thread?
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Addresses a point you made in an earlier post:

lionking said:
What ******* sleeping arrangements?

What stupidity. We have taken children on holidays many times, including camping, as have almost every parent. Are you saying parents need to have all kids in the same place/bed?

This idiocy is beyond belief.

But good show. Blame the victims. You are good at this.
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The Atheist said:
Having a baby in a cot and a 4 yo sleeping in a separate room with a zip opening to the outside.

Those ******* sleeping arrangements.
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A zip opening Cleo couldn’t reach.

The police attribute no blame on the parents, but carry on.
 
lionking said:
A zip opening Cleo couldn’t reach.

The police attribute no blame on the parents, but carry on.
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I haven't seen TA blaming the parents for the disappearance.

Just surprised, like I am, that the children were allowed to sleep with just a zip for protection.

"Blaming the parents" would imply you think TA thinks the parents arranged to have someone kidnap the child. I don't think you really mean that, but it sounds like you're saying that.
 
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