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Ed Cleo Smith

It's taking a while to charge the man because of illness or injuries.

"He was taken to hospital around midday yesterday and again this morning, but the ABC understands he has now been returned to the police station.

"Deputy Police Commissioner Col Blanch said he did not believe the man had any serious injuries."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-04/cleo-suspect-in-custody-after-hospital-visit/100593306

I think I heard on the ABC that the man seems to have sustained injuries while he was alone in his cell.
 
A curious, and creepy revelation.

https://www.news.com.au/national/we...h/news-story/d63383b933c42d0dddd4fb2457dd9be6

The kidnapper has been named, and one of the claims (not in this article, but one behind a paywall) is that he had a room full of dolls. Maybe Cleo was to be his new, real life doll?

More speculation, I know. While I think he will ultimately found unfit to plead, a pattern of escalating behaviour may lead to evidence of premeditation, which will be bad for him.

Interestingly in the paywalled article the police declined to comment about the dolls, but said they were closely investigating this aspect of the case.
 
The Atheist said:
Yeah, no mental illness there...
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Maybe, maybe not. Many, many murderers displayed weird, antisocial and totemistic behaviour without being declared insane.

Jeffrey Dahmer killed his victims, had sex with their bodies and ate them. Insane? Yes in the layperson meaning of the word, but legally? No. And that was largely due to premedication and planning. Which this creep may also be found to have done.
 
Collecting dolls may be creepy but it's not a sign of mental illness; come on, people.

The fact that this guy collected children's dolls is certainly given some sinister context by the fact that he kidnapped a child; but even then, we're talking about the dolls being a fetish thing, not a symptom of a psychiatric disease.
 
lionking said:
Maybe, maybe not.
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And even better, I see he's a blackfella. That'll play well.

Whether the bloke is medically insane or not, he's bat **** crazy by my metrics:

I love taking my dolls for drive arounds and doing their hair and taking selfies in public.
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I think even Chief Wiggum might have been able to see him as a possible subject, and the timeline suggests it was the very act of driving around late at night - presumably with his dollies - gave the cops the tip.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/...r-had-room-full-of-dolls-20211103-p595ny.html
 
Sounds like this Terence Kelly guy used the age-old standard paedophile toolkit: enticed the young kid with attractive toys. It used to be sweets but I guess kids have more sophisticated taste these days.
 
Vixen said:
Sounds like this Terence Kelly guy used the age-old standard paedophile toolkit: enticed the young kid with attractive toys. It used to be sweets but I guess kids have more sophisticated taste these days.
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Bitcoin?
 
Vixen said:
Sounds like this Terence Kelly guy used the age-old standard paedophile toolkit: enticed the young kid with attractive toys. It used to be sweets but I guess kids have more sophisticated taste these days.
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That doesn't seem right to me. He didn't lure her to his car while she was walking home from school or sommat; he silently entered her tent in the middle of the night and just grabbed her. It doesn't appear to be an enticement situation.

It depends on how serious he was about his doll collection. The news article has a photo of a room at his house I guess, showing many of them arranged on the shelves still in their packages; and my impression is that grown adults who "seriously" collect toys tend to be as protective of their hoard as "serious" collectors of anything else, like, say, stamps. He may not have allowed the girl he kidnapped any access to his stash.

I can't say anything about collectors of "Bratz" dolls, but I've seen videos about grown men who collect "My Little Pony" dolls. They come off as...fanatical.
 
Just some minor corrections to things mentioned up-thread.


The accused was caught driving around town with a pair of 20 yr old women, not Bratz dolls.


As to the collection of dolls, they originally belonged to his late grandmother, who if the TV news report I watched was anything to go by was the only person who was close to him.


As to the racial issue, I'll admit to being surprised when I saw the pictures, that being the second shock in this case after the girl being found alive.


Generally crimes like this occur between people of the same races. Does anyone know the profile information the police were working from?
 
Graham2001 said:
Just some minor corrections to things mentioned up-thread.


The accused was caught driving around town with a pair of 20 yr old women, not Bratz dolls.
As to the collection of dolls, they originally belonged to his late grandmother, who if the TV news report I watched was anything to go by was the only person who was close to him.


As to the racial issue, I'll admit to being surprised when I saw the pictures, that being the second shock in this case after the girl being found alive.


Generally crimes like this occur between people of the same races. Does anyone know the profile information the police were working from?
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Do you have a link confirming this? I don’t doubt you, but I have never seen this before.
 
Mum whose photos 'child kidnapper' used to create fake Facebook family horrified

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/mum-whose-photos-cleo-smith-25396234

Since his arrest for the alleged kidnapping, a number of fake Facebook accounts believed to be used by the Bratz doll collector to interact with his main accounts - Bratz DeLuca and Terence TezKelz - have emerged.

With one of the accounts, he pretended to be a teenage girl and a mum, it has been reported.
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lionking said:
Blocked link. Pity.
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The only interesting thing in the article is the guy being led by the cops in shackles. Probably a little unnecessary. He's not a violent bloke and he doesn't look in much shape to do a runner.
 
Terence Kelly sentenced over abduction of Cleo Smith near Carnarvon in WA's outback

The man who kidnapped a four-year-old girl from her family's camping tent and kept her captive for more than a fortnight in his house turned up the radio to drown out the noise of her pleading for her mother, a Perth court has heard.

Terence Darrell Kelly, 37, was sentenced to 13 years and six months in jail after pleading guilty to abducting Cleo Smith in a case that made headlines around the world.

He will have to serve over 11 years before he is eligible for release on parole.
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I was waiting for that to be posted.

Given his brain trouble, it seems a little harsh, but then he's a blackfella in WA, so not surprising.
 
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