Christopher 7 --- C7 & C4

[PerryLogan]

You're here because of a blurry video clip, obviously faked.

I'm here because Randi has cast a spell on me.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Amen

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Exibit A: [the reason i am here]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixwx19t2IMQ

A.1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_czyNCNhDI

C7, just a question:

What is it exactly that happens in a controlled demolition?

... Since I'll be awayfor some time, I'll answer it myself:

1) Supporting elements of a building are destroyed, near the base of the building. Usually by explosives.

2) Deprived of support, the building collapses under gravity.

Now, if the supporting elements of a building are destroyed for other reasons, like debris falling on it and subsequent extensive fires, what can be expected to follow?

2) Deprived of support, the building collapses under gravity.

So why is it so strange that the fall of WTC7 resembles a controlled demolition?

Another question: The italian clip you show, the "squips" are compared. Do you really, really think the puffs from the two buildings look alike?

Hans

 

[jaydeehess]

Chris,
You and others of your persuasion have also had 6 years to find some evidence of controlled demilition. I have asked you for that evidence. So far you have produced nothing other than what-you-don't-have.

Will you be then getting around to the actual topic of this thread anytime soon Chris?

 

[aggle-rithm]

Economic pressures should not trump the proper investigation of an event of this magnitude.

Well, the authorities believed that a "proper" investigation should focus on who, how, and why the attacks occured, not the question of why a building that had a skyscraper fall on it would catch fire and collapse.

That would be like investigating a bank robbery by focusing on why all the leftover pennies in the bank weren't in rolls, instead of going after the bad guy.

 

[Belz...]

Were it not for the fact that it looks like a CD [IMO], this would not be a problem.

It doesn't really look like a CD except for the fact that most buildings that fall down do so because humans demolish them.

Economic pressures should not trump the proper investigation of an event of this magnitude.

Every meal I eat should be delicious.

In any case, the only way to determine what caused the collapse with any degree of certainty, [not just the initiating event, but the subsequent failures] is to photograph and note the precise location and attitude of each piece of framing [easily done by satellite] and catalog it [easily done with a hand held computer] as it is removed.

"Oh, golly gosh. Two huge towers fell on this one, and it collapsed. I guess we're going to have to photograph every piece of it to be sure we know why." Right.

 

[A W Smith]

I searched all CD videos and in every single one of them you can clearly hear the explosives going off loudly. Why is it that in every single video of the WTC you hear no explosives whatsoever during the collapse?

 

[Christopher7]

You're here because of a blurry video clip, obviously faked.

I'm here because Randi has cast a spell on me.

If you think all the videos were faked, you have cast a spell on yourself.

 

[Christopher7]

C7, just a question:

What is it exactly that happens in a controlled demolition?

... Since I'll be awayfor some time, I'll answer it myself:

1) Supporting elements of a building are destroyed, near the base of the building. Usually by explosives.

As described by this eyewitness [start at 1:20]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVdnFFNbPK8

2) Deprived of support, the building collapses under gravity.

Now, if the supporting elements of a building are destroyed for other reasons, like debris falling on it and subsequent extensive fires, what can be expected to follow?

2) Deprived of support, the building collapses under gravity.

So why is it so strange that the fall of WTC7 resembles a controlled demolition?

Yes, it 'resembles' a CD.

Another question: The italian clip you show, the "squips" are compared. Do you really, really think the puffs from the two buildings look alike?

Maybe they were trying to minimize the external signs that it was a CD.

 

[Christopher7]

It doesn't really look like a CD except for the fact that most buildings that fall down do so because humans demolish them.

ALL high rise buildings, before and after 9/11 that have resulted in a 'global collapse', have been CD's.

"Oh, golly gosh. Two huge towers fell on this one, and it collapsed. I guess we're going to have to photograph every piece of it to be sure we know why." Right.

Exaggerate much?

 

[Christopher7]

I searched all CD videos and in every single one of them you can clearly hear the explosives going off loudly. Why is it that in every single video of the WTC you hear no explosives whatsoever during the collapse?

Either they have no sound or they were taken from a distance and started after the big bang.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVdnFFNbPK8

No 2 buildings are exactly alike so no 2 demolition 'rigs' are exactly alike.

The 'clap of thunder' was probably most of the explosives going off at once or in very rapid succession.
The squibs were over 500' up and far away from any camera.

 

[Gravy]

The 'clap of thunder' was probably most of the explosives going off at once or in very rapid succession.
The squibs were over 500' up and far away from any camera.

Why was this amazing event not caught on video? Please explain.

Why was the bowing of the exterior columns on both towers at the collapse points clearly recorded (and commented on from the air and the ground) but not these huge explosions you refer to? Please explain.

There are no "squibs" until after the collapses begin: even where smoke and flames are visibly fanned by air pressure changes in the towers, no perturbations appear when these supposed explosions go off. Please explain.

The large "squib" high on the north face of the north tower has an average speed of 35 mph and accelerates as the collapse progresses. Please explain how explosives can account for that.

Finally, please explain what should happen to the air pressure (and light dust, smoke, and debris) in the towers as the collapses progress.

 

[Gravy]

ALL high rise buildings, before and after 9/11 that have resulted in a 'global collapse', have been CD's.

False. Earthquakes have leveled high-rises.

Here's comparable logic to yours, Chris:

"Oswald could never have shot JFK, because of all the presidents who had been shot before JFK, NONE were shot by Oswald!"

Get a grip on yourself, man. If you want to discuss what caused the WTC buildings to collapse, you have to discuss the damage and fires in those buildings.

The ones who said the building was fully involved were wrong.
I can better assess the damage, sitting here at my computer 5 years later, because i can see the other 2 [perhaps 3] sides of wtc 7 that the firefighter could not see.

east and north sides. east side in shadow = afternoon

west side in sunlight = afternoon

This building is NOT anything close to being 'fully involved'

 

[Coritani]

Either they have no sound or they were taken from a distance and started after the big bang.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVdnFFNbPK8

No 2 buildings are exactly alike so no 2 demolition 'rigs' are exactly alike.

The 'clap of thunder' was probably most of the explosives going off at once or in very rapid succession.
The squibs were over 500' up and far away from any camera.

The person who said this - known only as "Darryl" is a first year NYU Med student. Not a demolitions expert, not a fireman, not an engineer.

Anyway, being a medical student, he wouldn't be one to have expert knowledge of demolitions and building collapses. He probably wouldn't know a demolition charge if he heard it. Anything could've made a "clap of thunder" - falling steel, or a transformer explosion, for example. Bear in mind that he never claims that he hears a demolition charge - just a "clap of thunder".

If we are to take this literally, we are to believe there was a thunderstorm brewing inside WTC 7.

Also, the two-phase collapse portrayed here does not necessarily mean it was caused by explosives. Obviously, one part of the building must've failed, then the rest of the building came down. And it did! First, the Penthouses fell, then the rest of the building did. Good to see that his testimony fits in with the official theory.

Noone else, to my knowledge, has acknowledged that there was a shockwave. And definitely no experts.

 

[332nd]

Either they have no sound or they were taken from a distance and started after the big bang.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVdnFFNbPK8

So none of the videos that started just after the first plane hit had sound?

No 2 buildings are exactly alike so no 2 demolition 'rigs' are exactly alike.

So WTC 7 was the only CD in history that had no sound of explosives?

The 'clap of thunder' was probably most of the explosives going off at once or in very rapid succession.
The squibs were over 500' up and far away from any camera.

So they blasted from the top down?

 

[A W Smith]

Either they have no sound or they were taken from a distance and started after the big bang.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVdnFFNbPK8

No 2 buildings are exactly alike so no 2 demolition 'rigs' are exactly alike.

The 'clap of thunder' was probably most of the explosives going off at once or in very rapid succession.
The squibs were over 500' up and far away from any camera.

Chris yes there were videos with sound. Compare them with the scores of CD videos online. In All the cd videos with audio regardless of distance you can clearly hear multple explosions that are in sequence and very loud. No two demolitions are the same but they ALL sound the same.

 

[Christopher7]

The person who said this - known only as "Darryl" is a first year NYU Med student. Not a demolitions expert, not a fireman, not an engineer.

Right. Only demo experts, firemen and engineers are qualified to know an explosion when they hear one.

Anyway, being a medical student, he wouldn't be one to have expert knowledge of demolitions and building collapses. He probably wouldn't know a demolition charge if he heard it.

Of course not.

Anything could've made a "clap of thunder" - falling steel, or a transformer explosion, for example. Bear in mind that he never claims that he hears a demolition charge - just a "clap of thunder".

Plausible deniability. The deniers best friend.

If we are to take this literally, we are to believe there is a thunderstorm brewing in WTC 7.

Perhaps we shoulden't take the statement 'literally'

Also, the two - phase collapse portrayed here does not necessarily mean it was caused by explosives.

Not necessairly, but quite possibly.

Obviously, one part of the building must've failed, then the rest of the building came down. And it did! First, the Penthouses fell, then the rest of the building did. Good to see that his testimony fits in with the official theory.

He didn't say anything about the penthouse. He just said it sounded like a clap of thunder, a shock wave went through the building and all the windows blew out. A second later, the building came down.
That sure as hell sounds like a CD!

Noone else, to my knowledge has acknowledged that there was a shockwave. And definitely no experts.

to your knowledge

 

[Christopher7]

So none of the videos that started just after the first plane hit had sound?

Hello
We're talking about WTC 7

So WTC 7 was the only CD in history that had no sound of explosives?

Daryl and Craig heard explosions.

Rember, they had [most] everybody get back 600'

So they blasted from the top down?

No

 

[Christopher7]

Chris yes there were videos with sound. Compare them with the scores of CD videos online. In All the cd videos with audio regardless of distance you can clearly hear multple explosions that are in sequence and very loud. No two demolitions are the same but they ALL sound the same.

No. Some are louder than others.
Some have a lot of crackeling and then loud booms.
Some have a series of booms.
Some start with a big boom like WTC 7.

 

[Coritani]

Right. Only demo experts, firemen and engineers are qualified to know an explosion when they hear one.

True, but it may take the qualification of being a Fireman, Demo expert or engineer to accurately determine the source of that explosion.

Plausible deniability. The deniers best friend.

So you have no evidence that it is a bomb and not anything else?

Perhaps we shoulden't take the statement 'literally'

Exactly. Explosion does not mean explosive, as so many CFs think.

Not necessairly, but quite possibly.

Quite possibly?

At any rate, it is not in your favour.

He didn't say anything about the penthouse.

So? Was he looking at the penthouse? He describes a two phase collapse, and the official theory states that there was a two phase collapse.

He just said it sounded like a clap of thunder,

The first phase: the collapse of the penthouses. This could easily cause this 'clap of thunder' sound.

a shock wave went through the building and all the windows blew out. A second later, the building came down.

The second phase of the collapse, as the rest of the building falls. Gee, it's certainly helpful that you're citing eyewitness accounts that support the official theory. It makes my life alot easier.

That sure as hell sounds like a CD!

In your opinion. In your biased, non - expert opinion.

to your knowledge

If you have any other witnesses (particularly Demo experts) who claim that there was a 'shockwave', post them. Remember that there were several demo teams present when WTC 7 collapsed. Number of Demo experts who claim they heard demolition charges go off: 0.

 

[A W Smith]

No. Some are louder than others.
Some have a lot of crackeling and then loud booms.
Some have a series of booms.
Some start with a big boom like WTC 7.

pont me to a CD video that only has one loud boom. I can find none.