Christopher 7 --- C7 & C4

[Christopher7]

And by doing that you hope to prove controlled demolition? That won't work.

No

False. Those items were donated to the investigation.

If you say so

And your movement is incapable of raising $13,700, despite the "fact" that 84% of Americans agree with you? What does that tell you?

If 'my movement' buys the $13,700 package, can they then post it on the web for free ?

Since they weren't public in the first place, your comment is meaningless.
You are not making sense.
Please cite the precedent for the public release of all the evidence in an investigation.

Not all the evidence, just the pics and vids of 9/11.

He was on trial for planning the attacks. [or charges to that effect]
The jury already knew what happened that day. They had seen the towers collapse many times, they had seen the Pentagon burning, there was no need to sequester 6,000 video clips and 6,000 photographs showing the details.

Most Americans don't even know that the government is withholding this evidence because it is never mentioned on MSM

No Americans know that, because it's false.

foolmewunz:
Got one for ya.

You can easily obtain the photos and video. Why don't you?

$13,600

Then why was it on TV the other day, and why is it featured in a History Channel documentary?

I saw the collapse of WTC 7 for the first time nearly 4 years after it happened.
Most Americans have forgotten all about WTC 7.

Thanx for the heads up, i'll check the listings to see if they're going to run it again soon.

 

[beachnut]

Let's start with the evidence we don't have.

The physical evidence that was quickly removed and destroyed.
There was no need to do so and it made a real invistegation impossible.

It's like trying to determine what caused a plane crash without any pieces of the airplane.

The government confiscated over 6.000 photographs and 6,000 video clips.
They have been withheld from the public for over 5 years and now they want to charge $13,000 for them. [or go thru the freedom of information act]
There was no reason to remove them from the public in the first place.
The Masoui trial was an excuse not a reason as there were a number of photographs and videos that survived the purge.
Everyone knows what destruction was done. The photographs and videos had no berring on the planning of the attacks, which is what he was charged with.
In any case, that excuse is now gone.
Those photographs and videos belong to "we the people" not the government.
This is just another example of the Bush administration arrogance and desire to hide the truth about 9/11.
Most Americans don't even know that the government is withholding this evidence because it is never mentioned in the MSM.
Most Americans don't remember WTC 7 because MSM will not show the existing videos of it's collapse.

Are all truthers dumb? You are kidding right?

What evidence are you saying was whisked away? WTC took 7 months to clean up. (there is still stuff being found)

Airplane crashed due to terrorist pilots! CTers need an investigation to figure this out? Terrorist flew planes into buildings! The planes did exactly what planes do when flown into buildings at high speeds. I can tell you that is what they look like. Investigation done... (unless you have some facts supporting something else; not one CTer has a fact to change this; do you?)

How many trained aircraft accident investigators do CTers have? I am one and the planes were flown into buildings on purpose. Questions. I am one expert trained by the USAF. So who are your experts. If you have any fact that you think I am wrong you must tell us now! (you must of been lied to by idiots in the truth movement)

No the photos belong to the person who took them; end of story. The people who took them own them when the case is done. The people who took them can sell them etc. You have no rights to take someone's property; are you a NAZI or something. "We the people" decided the stuff is ours when we own it and you can not have it because we respect our rights and your rights to your stuff or our stuff but not both.

Are you challenged by this stuff?

 

[Belz...]

Do you have a place in mind where one could have stored the rubble from a 47 storey building?

Right where it was.

Ah, yes. Leave those right there so no new construction effort can be undertaken there for over five years. That'll work.

Feel free to return to reality any time.

To do a proper analysis of how and why the building collapsed, each main framing member would be photographed, and its location noted before it was removed, then the broken ends would be inspected to see why they broke.

EACH member ? Again, any time.

 

[Belz...]

I saw the collapse of WTC 7 for the first time nearly 4 years after it happened.

I saw it in the afternoon on 11 September, 2001. And I'm not even American.

 

[JimBenArm]

Be sure to add
The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Perhaps that wasn't the best choice of words.
Allow me to re-phrase that.

Let's start with; the evidence the government has destroyed
and the evidence they are withholding.

How do you know this existed, or ever existed? You're just making stuff up again!

 

[jaydeehess]

No

I saw the collapse of WTC 7 for the first time nearly 4 years after it happened.
Most Americans have forgotten all about WTC 7.
.

I am Canadian and I saw it on the evening news of Sept 11/01.

If Americans simply do not watch the news or read news papers beyond the captions of the pictures and therefore do not know the addendum to the collapses of the better known WTC towers and Pentagon it is hardly the fault of the MSM or the gov't. Has the collapse of WTC 7 been a secret that has been hiding in plain view for 5 1/2 years?

 

[aggle-rithm]

Let's start with the evidence we don't have.

Absence of evidence is evidence of controlled demolition?

That's a new one.

 

[aggle-rithm]

And your movement is incapable of raising $13,700, despite the "fact" that 84% of Americans agree with you? What does that tell you?

If you turn it around and look at it from another angle: Is charging $13,700 for something REALLY the best way to hide evidence of mass murder?

I picture a bank robber videotaping incriminating evidence, then offering the video for sale on the Internet on the theory that the cops would never be able to raise the money...

 

[aggle-rithm]

If 'my movement' buys the $13,700 package, can they then post it on the web for free ?

Since that's more money than they're willing to spend for something that may very well reveal inconvenient truths, I guess we'll never know, will we?

 

[jhunter1163]

You'd think Dylan would fork over the $13,700. There must be a lot of facts in there about the events of 9/11...

Oh... I guess I see why he wouldn't want it after all.

 

[jaydeehess]

If 'my movement' buys the $13,700 package, can they then post it on the web for free ?

Dylan has not seemed to have a problem with using copyrighted music in his videos, neither does A. Jones and IIRC several other CT videographers. They'd be bothered by copyright on images?

 

[jaydeehess]

Right where it was.

To do a proper analysis of how and why the building collapsed, each main framing member would be photographed, and its location noted before it was removed, then the broken ends would be inspected to see why they broke.

A completely untenable senario for two reasons.
First as has been pointed out, there is the economic pressures of keeping a major part of Manhattan from even starting to be repaired. Never mind the rebuilding of the above ground structures there is also the fact that WTC 7 was a major power grid hub and I would assume also communications as well, then there is sewer and water and subway systems. It had to be removed ASAP if that part of Manhattan was to be made habitable again.

Second there is the rescue/recovery effort. Though it could be assumed that no living person was in WTC 7 , its debris extended into several other buildings as well and there may have been someone who was already dead due to injuries from the tower collapses still in the building when it also collapsed.

This was not a single vehicle accident where a car runs off the road into a tree. It was more akin to a multiple vehicle collision on a major highway. In that case the cars are removed asap, just as soon as the dead and injured are removed. By your logic it would behoove the authorities to leave all vehicles in place until all were photographed from several angles and only then could they be removed and the roadway put back in service.

 

[aggle-rithm]

A completely untenable senario for two reasons.
First as has been pointed out, there is the economic pressures of keeping a major part of Manhattan from even starting to be repaired. Never mind the rebuilding of the above ground structures there is also the fact that WTC 7 was a major power grid hub and I would assume also communications as well, then there is sewer and water and subway systems. It had to be removed ASAP if that part of Manhattan was to be made habitable again.

Second there is the rescue/recovery effort. Though it could be assumed that no living person was in WTC 7 , its debris extended into several other buildings as well and there may have been someone who was already dead due to injuries from the tower collapses still in the building when it also collapsed.

This was not a single vehicle accident where a car runs off the road into a tree. It was more akin to a multiple vehicle collision on a major highway. In that case the cars are removed asap, just as soon as the dead and injured are removed. By your logic it would behoove the authorities to leave all vehicles in place until all were photographed from several angles and only then could they be removed and the roadway put back in service.

Not only that, but from a crime standpoint, WTC7 could be seen as an innocent bystander caught up in a larger crime. There was little mystery as to why it collapsed. The only reason an investigation was done at all was to see if there were vulnerabilities in the design that could be avoided in the future.

The investigation favored by the troofers would be like running blood tests on a nun shot and killed while walking by a gang war to see if she was poisoned by the ambulance driver en route to the hospital.

 

[Coritani]

You'd think Dylan would fork over the $13,700. There must be a lot of facts in there about the events of 9/11...

Oh... I guess I see why he wouldn't want it after all.

God forbid he spends money on 9/11. Money making is more his thing. Like the rest of the twoof movement.

Especially since he claims he has a $20 million budget. $13700 is nothing compared to that.

 

[jaydeehess]

$20M?? I thought it was $2M

No matter $13,500 is 0.675% of the lesser $2,000,000 figure(it would be 0.0675% of $20,000,000)

Dylan wanted a big expose, had the means to obtain the images that the gov't had that would amount to only 0.675% of the budget for the video. Had there been some images in these that he believed were of use to him he could then apply to be able to use them in his commercial project. Given permission he could then use them, refused and he could make sure his video includes the fact that there are images showing something of interest which he has been refused permission to use in "Loose Change". Its win-win for Avery. Even if there were no images he wanted to use he could include that fact, with a little spooky music, in the video.

So what can be inferred from this? That Dylan Avery is not in fact interested in pursueing The Truth AND/OR that he is a liar and the budget was never really anything like $2,000,000.

 

[Coritani]

$20M?? I thought it was $2M

No matter $13,500 is 0.675% of the lesser $2,000,000 figure(it would be 0.0675% of $20,000,000)

Dylan wanted a big expose, had the means to obtain the images that the gov't had that would amount to only 0.675% of the budget for the video. Had there been some images in these that he believed were of use to him he could then apply to be able to use them in his commercial project. Given permission he could then use them, refused and he could make sure his video includes the fact that there are images showing something of interest which he has been refused permission to use in "Loose Change". Its win-win for Avery. Even if there were no images he wanted to use he could include that fact, with a little spooky music, in the video.

So what can be inferred from this? That Dylan Avery is not in fact interested in pursueing The Truth AND/OR that he is a liar and the budget was never really anything like $2,000,000.

Korey Rowe said this, but then Dylan said it was only 2 million. Then Dylan said that it was 22 million - 2 million for the profuction, the rest for marketing, copyrights etc. I can't remember where he said this though.

Either way, $13700 is a small pric to pay for him and his lackeys. They're just being lazy.

 

[jaydeehess]

profuction

I realize its just a typo but it really could be a descriptor for "Loose Change"

So if its $20M for copyrights etc. then that would be the budget from which the purchase of rights to use these images in a commercial project would come from and the $13500 probably from the production budget.

"Lazy" would be taking the high road in describing DA and his cadre on this topic.

 

[Coritani]

I realize its just a typo but it really could be a descriptor for "Loose Change"

So if its $20M for copyrights etc. then that would be the budget from which the purchase of rights to use these images in a commercial project would come from and the $13500 probably from the production budget.

"Lazy" would be taking the high road in describing DA and his cadre on this topic.

I blame a lack of sleep last night.

A louder than words profuction...

 

[Christopher7]

Ah, yes. Leave those right there so no new construction effort can be undertaken there for over five years. That'll work.
Feel free to return to reality any time.

5 years ? Prehaps it is you who should return to reality.

EACH member ? Again, any time.

They removed the large beams one at a time.
All they had to do was photograph and catalog each piece as they went.
This would have made the cleanup take longer but, with modern technology,* not that much longer.
*[hand held computers, satellites for photographs]

 

[Dog Town]

They removed the large beams one at a time.
All they had to do was photograph and catalog each piece as they went.
This would have made the cleanup take longer but, with modern technology,* not that much longer.
*[hand held computers, satellites for photographs]

Why would that be needed?