Christopher 7 --- C7 & C4

[Christopher7]

The idea that it was a CD is not that well known.

You may find this hard to believe but not many people believe or have even heard the conspiracy claims. Sure it's big on the internet but only in small circles.

Thank you.

This explains why many people in the CD industry are not saying WTC 7 was or was not a CD.

So far, we have Jowenko saying it "absolutely" was a CD
and no one from a CD company saying that it was not a CD.

As Nicepants said why would they comment on a non issue? Jowenko hasn't said anything about it in a long time.

Non issue?

If WTC 7 was a CD, then 9/11 was an inside job.

This is why some people are reluctant to speak out.

This is why some people don't even want to think about it.

This is why some people try to downplay or dispute the unbiased opinion of the owner of a CD company.

No expert from a CD company has disputed what Jowenko said.

Jowenko need not repeat himself, the video is available for all to see at any time.

The phone call where he reconfirms that WTC 7 was "absolutely" a CD, is also available.

 

[DGM]

Chris;

If WTC 7 was a CD, then 9/11 was an inside job.

This is why some people are reluctant to speak out.

This is why some people don't even want to think about it.

This is where I think your wrong. I think you give people to little credit. I know for myself I would not hesitate to blow the whistle.

 

[twinstead]

In order for Chris's fantasy to stay intact, he MUST believe that the only reason the vast majority of real CD experts on Earth haven't come out against the official story is because they are afraid.

In fact, Chris, you have to cling to that little belief like it is a some kind of life jacket after a shipwreck, don't you?

You are a walking, talking stereotype, Chris. Anybody who has studied conspiracy theorists are very well aware of the little circuit breakers that they have installed to protect their precious theories; without those theories they would be nobodies.

It requires you to become very very cynical towards your fellow humans, and that's a shame. To suggest that professionals in any field would kowtow to the government whom they know killed thousands of innocent people just to keep their jobs is so beyond ludicrous as to be almost funny.

Pathetic, but funny.

 

[JimBenArm]

Many people have forgotten about WTC 7, some are afraid to speak out, others are speaking out, but when they do, you brush them off as kooks.

You brush off Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice, Architects and engineers for 9/11 truth, Pilots for 9/11 Truth and anyone who says the official story is BS.

I have read the slam sheet on 13 of the engineers from ae9/11 truth.
Have you got one for the architects yet?
All those people have degrees in architecture or engineering.
Do you have one of those?
Who are you to say they don't know what they are talking about?

You deny the video evidence in spite of the fact that the owner of a CD company says WTC 7 was a CD based on that video evidence.

Then you say "There is no evidence"

Do you know more about CD's than Danny Jowenko ?

There you go, putting words I didn't say into my mouth. The only thing I've done is call you out on calling all these people cowards. Because that's exactly what you've done. Remember? You said they won't come forward due to fear of reprisal. No other qualifiers, nothing about forgetting, or anything else. You just flat called them craven, snivelling cowards. Then you try to turn it into something else, because you can't face owning up to your own accusation.
What a man! I'm impressed! Now, what other things are you going to falsely accuse me of saying, so you don't have to own up to this? Hmm?

 

[Christopher7]

In order for Chris's fantasy to stay intact, he MUST believe that the only reason the vast majority of real CD experts on Earth haven't come out against the official story is because they are afraid.

Wrong

As DGM said, the CD theory is not well known.

You keep ignoring the fact that no experts from CD companies have said WTC 7 was not a CD either.

No equally qualified expert has said that Jowenko is wrong.

Do you know of any CD companies [other than Jowenko] that have said anything one way or the other about WTC 7?

 

[DGM]

Wrong

As DGM said, the CD theory is not well known.

You keep ignoring the fact that no experts from CD companies have said WTC 7 was not a CD either.

No equally qualified expert has said that Jowenko is wrong.

Do you know of any CD companies [other than Jowenko] that have said anything one way or the other about WTC 7?

Again why would they come out?
I don't go home at night and tell my wife i didn't cheat on her. They saw the news and didn't hit them as strange. You don't talk about non-issues. If they thought it was a CD we would know by now. Give them some credit as real people.

 

[Christopher7]

There you go, putting words I didn't say into my mouth. The only thing I've done is call you out on calling all these people cowards.

You are putting words in my mouth.

I never said "all these people" or called anyone a coward.


You can't deny that Jowenko said WTC 7 was a CD based on the videos he saw, so you subject shift.

Saying that the videos are not even evidence of a CD after the owner of a CD company has said they are absolute proof of a CD, is a statement from denial.

 

[JimBenArm]

You are putting words in my mouth.

I never said "all these people" or called anyone a coward.


You can't deny that Jowenko said WTC 7 was a CD based on the videos he saw, so you subject shift.

Saying that the videos are not even evidence of a CD after the owner of a CD company has said they are absolute proof of a CD, is a statement from denial.

Where was I talking about Jowenko? I've never stated an opinion on that anywhere, at any time. So, what in the hell are you talking about, subject shift? The only thing, ONLY THING I have ever pointed out to you is that YOU my friend, are no more qualified to be making these determinations than my pet dog is. You are a carpenter. You are NOT an engineer, any more than I am, so it doesn't make one whit of difference what you say.

Also, when you say "fear of reprisal" if that's not calling them cowards, exactly what are you saying about them? They are willing to stand by an do nothing while mass murderers go free. So, they're courageous patriots? Remember, those are your words, dude, you said them. YOU said that about others you know nothing about. Yet, I'm the one subject shifting. Maybe on your planet, but on mine, people are man enough to own the words they say.
Don't bother to reply. I know you'll avoid, subject shift, tap dance, and everything else under the book to avoid dealing with this. I'm not wasting any more bandwidth on you.
Toodles.

 

[BeAChooser]

Do you not see the obvious here?

No, he doesn't. Which is why I've lost interest in debating him. It's pointless. I had a rather innocuous (and not foul) word for folks like him on another forum. But it still got me in trouble so I don't think I'll be using it here just in case the administrators object to labeling people.

 

[lapman]

Ok, I have to admit that I was basing my response on videos that I saw in the past. My mistake.

They showed him videos of WTC 7 collapsing.

He knew about the debris damage.

1:35 into the interview he says
"They had a piece of luck that since there was already very much destroyed"

He knew about the fires.

1:09
"I remember that they told they've imploded it, it smoked for days."

He did not need to hear the explosions.

They never told that they imploded it. Jowenko also states that Silverstein says "pull it down." He never said "pull it down," only "pull it." Sounds like a problem with understanding the english language. Of course, Danny isn't corrected.

Whatever he saw convinced him that WTC 7 was a CD

At the end of the interview, after looking at the column layout, he still said that WTC 7 was "absolutely" a CD.

A couple months later, in a phone call, he reaffirmed that WTC 7 was "absolutely" a CD.

Again, his conclusions are based on faulty information. He was told that Silverstein ordered the CD. He was only told about the FEMA report and not the NIST reports. So why would he believe it to be anything different.

He is an expert, you are not.

True

The videos are clearly "compelling evidence" of a CD, yet the authors of a report, from an administration that systematically distorts scientific documents, say there is no evidence of CD.

Danny wasn't there. He has only the video and what he was told. Every expert that has studied the physical evidence says that it wasn't a CD. Yet somehow, 30 to 40 people were able to get in there with torches, explosives, det chord, etc., demo walls and plant the charges, run the det chord outside the building and leave without anyone noticing. Yeah right.

The scientists and engineers make no mention of why CD was not considered a possibility.

Because there is not evidence of CD.

How many people have independently stated that the videos are not evidence of a CD ?

All of us.
Danny also makes his assumption based on the fact that he feels Silverstein wanted WTC7 demolished because of the damage, which would be logical. However, why tear it down that day and make it look like it just collapsed? Just to save a relitive few dollars in permit costs or where are the copies of the permits? What about his tenents? Shouldn't they have been allowed to empty out their offices? So, where is Danny's opinion about the penthouse falling 8 seconds prior to the rest of the building? Where is his opinion about the NIST documents?

 

[Christopher7]

Where was I talking about Jowenko? I've never stated an opinion on that anywhere, at any time. So, what in the hell are you talking about, subject shift? The only thing, ONLY THING I have ever pointed out to you is that YOU my friend, are no more qualified to be making these determinations than my pet dog is. You are a carpenter. You are NOT an engineer, any more than I am, so it doesn't make one whit of difference what you say.

You talk about me and ignore the FACT that a CD expert said WTC 7 was a CD.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

You talk about me and ignore the FACT that a CD expert said WTC 7 was a CD.

Are you saying you aren't ignoring the fact that there are many many CD experts saying it clearly wasn't?

I bet you I can find a doctor who will tell you that eating oranges will cause cancer. Does that make it true?

 

[Christopher7]

They never told that they imploded it.

Jowenko said "I remember that they told they've imploded it"
We don't know who 'they' are.

Jowenko also states that Silverstein says "pull it down." He never said "pull it down," only "pull it." Sounds like a problem with understanding the english language. Of course, Danny isn't corrected.

Wrong, a lot of people think the 'pull it' statement refers to CD.

Again, his conclusions are based on faulty information. He was told that Silverstein ordered the CD.

The interviewers did not tell Jowenko about the 'pull it' statement.
He had learned about it before the interview.

He was only told about the FEMA report and not the NIST reports. So why would he believe it to be anything different.

He was not told anything by the interviewers. They just showed him the videos.
After seeing one video he said "This is controlled demolition."

Danny wasn't there.

Neither were the people at NIST.

He has only the video and what he was told.

That's all anyone has.

Every expert that has studied the physical evidence says that it wasn't a CD.

Not so.

Please name one expert that has studied the physical evidence and said that WTC 7 was not a CD.

Yet somehow, 30 to 40 people were able to get in there with torches, explosives, det chord, etc., demo walls and plant the charges, run the det chord outside the building and leave without anyone noticing. Yeah right.

Wrong.

It would be impossible to get everything and everyone needed to rig WTC 7 to the site in a few hours, much less rig it in that time.

Because there is not evidence of CD.

The owner of a demolitions company says the videos are conclusive proof that WTC 7 was a CD.

An administration that systematically distorts and falsifies scientific documents to fit it's political agenda says there is no evidence of CD.

You prefer to believe the latter and dismiss the former.

Danny also makes his assumption based on the fact that he feels Silverstein wanted WTC7 demolished because of the damage,

Wrong

He said it was a CD based on the fact that WTC 7 imploded.

The 'pull it' remark only refers to why WTC 7 was demolished.

where is Danny's opinion about the penthouse falling 8 seconds prior to the rest of the building? Where is his opinion about the NIST documents?

He saw the screenwall and the west penthouse fall just before the exterior.

The penthouse falling 5 seconds before only adds to his conclusion that it was a CD.

He did not need to read or evaluate the NIST report to see the obvious.

The videos are evidence of a CD.

 

[Christopher7]

He was told that Silverstein ordered the CD.

He was also told that WTC 7 was imploded days later.

It makes sense to believe the 'pull it' remark if he thought WTC 7 imploded days later.

He speculated on how it could be done in one day.

Clearly, he believes that WTC 7 could be rigged in a few days.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

So all this guy saw was a video? Wow. Sounds like you have a winner there. And yes lots of people think "pull it" is a CD term. because it is. But it doesn't mean what those many people think it means. And just because people think it means to use explosives doesn't make it true.

And many demolition company say it is definitely NOT a CD. yet you only listen to the ones who say they do. Isn't that really interesting.

And now you are accusing the other experts of falsifying documents. Wow, this is a pointless argument. We get it. Anyone who tells you there was a CD is credible. Anyone who doesn't is just getting paid off, working for the government, or is scared. You're just such an honest person Chris.

Of course he didn't need to read the NIST report, there might be important details in there that could blow a hole in your conspiracy.

 

[Christopher7]

So all this guy saw was a video? Wow. Sounds like you have a winner there.

This guy owns a demolitions company, he is an expert.

He knows a controlled demolition when he sees one.

Who are you to say he's wrong?

And many demolition company say it is definitely NOT a CD.

Name one

yet you only listen to the ones who say they do.

There is only one.

And now you are accusing the other experts of falsifying documents.

No, i stated that the Bush administration systematically distorts and falsifies scientific documents.

 

[Unfit4Command]

He was also told that WTC 7 was imploded days later.

It makes sense to believe the 'pull it' remark if he thought WTC 7 imploded days later.

He speculated on how it could be done in one day.

Clearly, he believes that WTC 7 could be rigged in a few days.

He believes it could have been rigged by 30 (haven't watched the interview in a while, I think that's the number he gave) people, some with cutter torches and others planting the explosives.

Don't you think the people working in the building would have noticed people walking around with thousands of explosive charges and cutter torches? He never said, as far as I know, please correct me if I'm wrong, that the building could have been rigged in a few days when it was full of people without anyone noticing.

 

[Christopher7]

From the '10 story hole' thread

I can't tell if they are just repeating what one of the guys said or if it's a voice over a combined video

You are right about the quick edits and voice overs.

It's hard to tell who said what.

I don't like sound bites either.

Longer clips would give a better sense of the context.

 

[Christopher7]

He believes it could have been rigged by 30 (haven't watched the interview in a while, I think that's the number he gave) people, some with cutter torches and others planting the explosives.

Don't you think the people working in the building would have noticed people walking around with thousands of explosive charges and cutter torches? He never said, as far as I know, please correct me if I'm wrong, that the building could have been rigged in a few days when it was full of people without anyone noticing.

Danny thought it was rigged after 9/11 when no one was working there.

Before 9/11, wireless charges could have been placed on the core columns on the
mechanical floors [5 and 6] and in the elevator shafts, where no one except the
'maintenance workers' who put them there would see them.

 

[twinstead]

I'm bumping this old thread because chris thinks that THIS is the only place to critique his theory.

Reading the thread, I thing critique is a very mild word.