Christopher 7 --- C7 & C4

[JimBenArm]

You think the owner of a demolition company is talking nonsense because he hays WTC 7 was a CD.

You think you know better.

Where did I say that? Point to where I said anything at all about that. I'm talking about YOU Christopher7. I'm pointing out that you're posting this junk, and no one has sent you away. But then, if you allow that thought to penetrate, you'd have to rethink the whole CD stuff, so you can't allow that to happen, can you, Chris ol' boy? Then you'd have to admit you're WRONG!
And that's the one word you are most afraid of.

 

[Dave Rogers]

He knew about the fires.

1:09
"I remember that they told they've imploded it, it smoked for days."

Since WTC7 only burned for seven hours, doesn't Jowenko's assertion that "it smoked for days" prove that he didn't know the full details of the fires?

Dave

 

[Christopher7]

Where did I say that? Point to where I said anything at all about that. I'm talking about YOU Christopher7. I'm pointing out that you're posting this junk,

You believe people in the CD business in the US are free to say "WTC 7 was a CD" without fear of reprisal, i do not.

 

[Christopher7]

Since WTC7 only burned for seven hours, doesn't Jowenko's assertion that "it smoked for days" prove that he didn't know the full details of the fires?

Dave

So what?

He knew there was much damage. He knew there were fires.

By 4:45, the fire on floor 12 had burned out
The only fire in the area of the initiating event when WTC 7 collapsed was on floor 8 on the east side.

He did not need to hear the explosives or know the full details of the office fires you think caused the collapse.

He is an expert, you are not.

He said WTC 7 was "absolutely" a CD based on what he saw in the first video.

After having a couple months to consider the evidence, he still said that WTC 7 was "absolutely" a CD.


No one can justifiably say that the videos are not evidence of a CD when the owner of a CD company says they are proof of a CD.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

You believe people in the CD business in the US are free to say "WTC 7 was a CD" without fear of reprisal, i do not.

In other words they're all part of this conspiracy and all contradicting you because they are all afraid. What you really mean to say is that their expertise is devastating to your claims. Can you prove that they are all disagreeing with the conspiracy theories because they all fear reprisal?

Who is going to reprise them? And then that means that those people are part of it as well no? I would like to see this evidence so that we can confirm you aren't just making it up because it hurts your claims. Anyone can say such things, but this is really more a forum of science.

None of the supposed Engineers and Architect on your little web site seem to have any fear. Why is it only the people who don't buy into these claims do?

 

[Dave Rogers]

So what?

No, you say so what. You're the one who chose to back up Jowenko's conclusion by stating that he knew about the fires. When you're proven wrong, suddenly you do an about-face and say it wasn't important that he didn't know about the fires. In other words, your confirmation bias is showing.

Dave

 

[LashL]

The video was interesting to be sure. I would side with Jowenko, in his implication that the reason the building owner would want it brought down would be because of the high price of repair.
Just pay some people off to drop the building and just rebuild it.
But if that were the case, that would implicate the buildings owner, not the government. (If of course CD had been used at all)

That doesn't really make sense to me. If it would cost more to repair the building than to demolish it and rebuild, that is precisely what the insurers would choose to do. The owner would not be responsible for the cost of repairing or rebuilding. Thus, I do not agree with the implication that this would be a rational reason or motive to have it demolished, secretly, on September 11, 2001.

And I agree with everyone else here that there is no point in speculation. Wait until the NIST report comes out and see what they have to say.
I'm sure the CT crowd is expecting a whitewash, but just give it a chance before you dismiss it.

Agreed.

 

[JimBenArm]

You believe people in the CD business in the US are free to say "WTC 7 was a CD" without fear of reprisal, i do not.

Oh, yeah, they sit around going "I can't tell that the government killed those people, I might not work again!" They are all obviously cowards, and are just okay with that. Not a one of them will come forward, because they all lack courage and integrity. Every last one of them.
Way to go, Chris. Just slammed another group of people, with zero evidence, just to support your "evil coverup" fantasy. Cool. So how many others are sniveling cowards, in order to make this fantastic scheme work?

 

[Christopher7]

No, you say so what. You're the one who chose to back up Jowenko's conclusion by stating that he knew about the fires.

He did know about the debris damage and the fires.

When you're proven wrong, suddenly you do an about-face and say it wasn't important that he didn't know about the fires. In other words, your confirmation bias is showing.

Dave

Your reading comprehension is impaired.

I said it doesn't matter if he knew the 'full details' of the fires.

You are trying to talk around the fact that he was certain that WTC 7 was a CD.

 

[LashL]

You believe people in the CD business in the US are free to say "WTC 7 was a CD" without fear of reprisal, i do not.

So, what are you really saying here, Chris? You seem to be suggesting that those who work and have some degree of expertise in the demolition business in the United States are all - every single one of them - so fearful of losing their jobs that they would knowingly cover up the deliberate murder of thousands.

Let's pretend for a moment that both you and I are both employed by and have expertise in the demolition industry in the United States. Would you speak up and say that you believe, on the basis of your expertise in the demolition industry, that WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7 were deliberately demolished?

I certainly would.

What is the price of your silence in the face of the deliberate murder of thousands? Personally, nobody could pay me enough to shut me up in the circumstances outlined above, and I have a very hard time believing that I am alone in that.

 

[Arus808]

and what prevents a whislteblower from moving to another country then speaking out? what prevents those in other countries, not favorable of the US from speaking out?

 

[Christopher7]

Oh, yeah, they sit around going "I can't tell that the government killed those people, I might not work again!" They are all obviously cowards, and are just okay with that. Not a one of them will come forward, because they all lack courage and integrity. Every last one of them.

Many people have forgotten about WTC 7, some are afraid to speak out, others are speaking out, but when they do, you brush them off as kooks.

You brush off Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice, Architects and engineers for 9/11 truth, Pilots for 9/11 Truth and anyone who says the official story is BS.

I have read the slam sheet on 13 of the engineers from ae9/11 truth.
Have you got one for the architects yet?
All those people have degrees in architecture or engineering.
Do you have one of those?
Who are you to say they don't know what they are talking about?

You deny the video evidence in spite of the fact that the owner of a CD company says WTC 7 was a CD based on that video evidence.

Then you say "There is no evidence"

Do you know more about CD's than Danny Jowenko ?

 

[Christopher7]

and what prevents a whislteblower from moving to another country then speaking out? what prevents those in other countries, not favorable of the US from speaking out?

People in foreign countries are speaking out but you won't hear about them on MSM.

http://www.911oz.com

http://www.911blogger.com/node/8267

http://www.prisonplanet.com/021104vonbuelow.html

When a fact like Jowenko saying that WTC 7 was "absolutely" a CD cannot be denied and therefore the videos of WTC 7 imploding are clearly evidence of a CD, people here try to change the subject.

 

[LashL]

Hmmph. No answer, Chris?

So, what are you really saying here, Chris? You seem to be suggesting that those who work and have some degree of expertise in the demolition business in the United States are all - every single one of them - so fearful of losing their jobs that they would knowingly cover up the deliberate murder of thousands.

Let's pretend for a moment that both you and I are both employed by and have expertise in the demolition industry in the United States. Would you speak up and say that you believe, on the basis of your expertise in the demolition industry, that WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7 were deliberately demolished?

I certainly would.

What is the price of your silence in the face of the deliberate murder of thousands? Personally, nobody could pay me enough to shut me up in the circumstances outlined above, and I have a very hard time believing that I am alone in that.

Come on. What's your price?

 

[Christopher7]

Hmmph. No answer, Chris?

Come on. What's your price?

I would speak out and probably get fired.

You would accept Half Baked Farce I & II as reasonable and patiently wait 6 years or more for Half Baked Farce III, the final episode.

 

[LashL]

I would speak out and probably get fired.

So, you would speak up despite the risk of being fired for doing so, yet you simultaneously believe that not a single person among the tens of thousands who actually work in the field would do so?

Really?

Do you not see the obvious here?

You would accept Half Baked Farce I & II as reasonable and patiently wait 6 years or more for Half Baked Farce III, the final episode.

That's just a silly and unfounded attempt to change the subject, and not worthy of response.

Let's stick with the current subject, which is you insinuating that there are a whole lot of people in the demolition industry who are deliberately and wilfully remaining silent about the conspiracy theories you spout (i.e. controlled demolitions) because, according to you, they would be fired for speaking up about the "truth".

What you are really saying here, Chris, is that those who work or have expertise in the demolition business in the United States are all - every single one of them - so fearful of losing their jobs that they would knowingly cover up the deliberate murder of thousands.

Now, you say that if you were one of those people who work or have expertise in the demolition business, you would speak up and expose the vast conspiracy that you imagine, so you obviously, would not be afraid of losing your job and would not be afraid of the NWO. So, why do you imagine that those who actually work in the industry should be or would be afraid?

You are suggesting that all of the thousands of people who work or have expertise in the demolition business have been cowed, paid off, or otherwise forced into keeping quiet about the murder of thousands of innocent people, for fear of losing their jobs. Yet you, had you been in their shoes, would stand up and speak up and have none of the fear that you ascribe to them.

It comes back to you accusing a whole lot of people of being either paid off or frightened into keeping quiet about the murder of thousands. No amount of money could buy my silence about such an atrocity, and I suspect that the same is true of most decent people.

 

[Christopher7]

So, you would speak up despite the risk of being fired for doing so, yet you simultaneously believe that not a single person among the tens of thousand who actually work in the field would do so?

Exaggerate much?

There are very few experts in the CD industry.

Let's stick with the current subject,

Right, After viewing one video of WTC 7 imploding, Jerwenko said that it was a CD.

It cannot be said that the videos are not evidence of a CD.

He is the only owner of a CD company to state his opinion publicly.

So far, no owner or expert from a CD company has viewed the videos and disagreed with him.

 

[LashL]

Exaggerate much?

There are very few experts in the CD industry.

I am not exaggerating at all. How about quoting my words instead of cherry picking them, and how about reading them for comprehension instead of just pretending that they are what you wish them to be? That would be a good start. I realize how difficult that is for you troofer types but, come on, I spelled it out all nice and clear for you deliberately.

Right, After viewing one video of WTC 7 imploding, Jerwenko said that it was a CD.

Yes, exactly. No wonder he was wrong.

It cannot be said that the videos are not evidence of a CD.

Sure, it can. Watch this: the video is not evidence of a CD. See how easy that was?

He is the only owner of a CD company to state his opinion publicly.

Not so.

So far, no owner or expert from a CD company has viewed the videos and disagreed with him.

Not so. But you already know this. And even if it were true, which it is not, that wouldn't make him right, particularly since he killed his own credibility by jumping the gun and purporting to opine on the matter with insufficient data.

Now, back to the prior point - do you honestly believe that everyone who works in the demolition industry in the United States has been bought off or cowed into silence about the murder of thousands?

 

[Christopher7]

Not so. But you already know this.

Please name the expert and CD company who has said that WTC 7 was definitely not a CD.

And even if it were true, which it is not, that wouldn't make him right, particularly since he killed his own credibility by jumping the gun and purporting to opine on the matter with insufficient data.

He had sufficient data.

He knew about the debris damage and fires.

He could see WTC 7 implode.

He is an expert, you are not.

No one in the CD industry has said that Jowenko is wrong.

Now, back to the prior point - do you honestly believe that everyone who works in the demolition industry in the United States has been bought off or cowed into silence about the murder of thousands?

I cannot speak for everyone in the industry. I have had people tell me that if they were to give away LC2 or other CT videos at work, they would be fired.

Other than the editors of Implosions World, [who document but do not actually demolish buildings] i have not seen any statement by an expert in the CD industry that has stated that WTC 7 was definitely not a CD, have you?

 

[DGM]

Other than the editors of Implosions World, [who document but do not actually demolish buildings] i have not seen any statement by an expert in the CD industry that has stated that WTC 7 was definitely not a CD, have you?

The idea that it was a CD is not that well known.

You may find this hard to believe but not many people believe or have even heard the conspiracy claims. Sure it's big on the internet but only in small circles.

As Nicepants said why would they comment on a non issue? Jowenko hasn't said anything about it in a long time.