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Ed Christianity Foments Villainy

Leumas said:
Your post to which the parable was given as an answer ... says otherwise....




Your answer of BACD and the above post are in absolute discordance... I suggest you ponder about this... read your above post... and look at your response to the parable questions ... see if you can spot the problems in your reasoning in the post.
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No.

Your "parable" was asking me to rank actions in order of "disgustingness." As an analogous hypothetical situation, it 1)Isn't very analogous and 2) is begging the question, really. I played along, but in answering it, I was forced into your framing of the issue. I don't actually find religion disgusting in the same way I find roadkill disgusting. I have rejected religion for myself but I have no issue with other people who don't reject religion. I find most of them to be those that cut away the bad parts and at least try to "eat" only the good parts.

See, I don't frame the actions of other people based on whether or not they are religious. That is totally irrelevant to me. If one person -to use a particularly disgusting action- abuses a child, that person is an evil person no matter if they are atheist or Christian. Who cares if they think God told them it was OK? Who cares if they don't believe there is a God at all? I judge people by their actions, which is the only valid basis upon which to judge them.

I really don't understand what you accomplish by framing Christianity as a source of evil.
 
Leumas said:
Because you have posted all but countless posts in this thread and another thread telling me that I should.... here is one
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You misunderstand. I have never told you that you should worry about whether or not another person's belief system is "OK."

What I said was that, in essence, if you want to have a productive discourse with Christians, you should try to at least understand where they are coming from and meet them on their terms. You have to approach them using their framework, at least at first.
 
xjx388 said:
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I really don't understand what you accomplish by framing exposing Christianity as a source of evil.
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IFTFY

I am not framing it... this is a mendacity... I am exposing it... for people who can't get over their childhood indoctrination... using the very words in its scriptures that all can read but never bother to.

All the sophistry and casuistry you and others have so far offered have not in the least denied the VERY WORDS of the very scriptures... which expose the turpitude that is called christianity.

I doubt you will ever answer this question....
Do you think that it is ok for a person to believe that a mass murderer can be in heaven while the people he massacred can be in hell?​
And that is because the answer exposes the turpitude that is christianity.
 
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xjx388 said:
You misunderstand. I have never told you that you should worry about whether or not another person's belief system is "OK."
What I said was that, in essence, if you want to have a productive discourse with Christians, you should try to at least understand where they are coming from and meet them on their terms. You have to approach them using their framework, at least at first.
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:dl:
 
Leumas said:
I doubt you will ever answer this question....
Do you think that it is ok for a person to believe that a mass murderer can be in heaven while the people he massacred can be in hell?​
And that is because the answer exposes the turpitude that is christianity.
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Oh, man! Indented and bolded and resized...this must be an important question. Let me think . . .

Ok, got it.

I think it is OK for a person to believe whatever the hell they want to believe as long as they don't harm anyone. It's of no consequence to me what goes on in their heads. All I care about is what they actually do.
 
xjx388 said:
Oh, man! Indented and bolded and resized...this must be an important question. Let me think . . .

Ok, got it.

I think it is OK for a person to believe whatever the hell they want to believe as long as they don't harm anyone. It's of no consequence to me what goes on in their heads. All I care about is what they actually do.
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They do this.... because of their beliefs....
 
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Leumas said:
They do this.... because of their beliefs....
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Christians are just like other humans. Some do really bad things; some do really good things. What happens between their ears is much less important than what they actually, physically do.
 
Let's say that I agree with you that Christianity is inherently an evil religion.

Now what? What are we supposed to do about it? Nod and shake hands?
 
xjx388 said:
Christians are just like other humans. Some do really bad things; some do really good things. What happens between their ears is much less important than what they actually, physically do.
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With apologies to Steven Weinberg
  • Religion Christianity is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion Christianity.




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Leumas said:
Do you know what a parable is... can you explain how my parable does not relate... and to what??? And How does that make it a strawman??

And if you meant this question is a strawman... then please pray tell... how is a question a strawman.
Do you think that it is ok for a person to believe that a mass murderer can be in heaven while the people he massacred can be in hell?​
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No I did not mean this question.

But this question is addressed so many different ways. You and I believe this would be wrong. But you have to know that Christians who might also be perplexed by it would offer pablum like God acts in mysterious ways. And we can't understand God. Or that the Universe is God's domain and his acts are a divine right. It's not up to us to judge.
 
Leumas said:
Can you list 10 please... I am assuming you mean the New Tall tales (NT) ... 10 from the NT please.
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What? Do you think I'm interested in having Bible Study with you?

34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

You could argue the Beattitudes are another as it is an assurance that all will be made well. It gives us comfort.

Ephesians 4:32
Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you

Ephesians
Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice.

John 15:12
“This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you

Matthew 7:12
“So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets

1 John 4:20-21
If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen. And this commandment we have from him: whoever loves God must also love his brother

Romans 12:10
Love one another with brotherly affection. Outdo one another in showing honor

Proverbs 24:17
Do not rejoice when your enemy falls, and let not your heart be glad when he stumbles


Romans 15:1-2*
We who are strong have an obligation to bear with the failings of the weak, and not to please ourselves. Let each of us please his neighbor for his good, to build him up.


Philippians 2:4*
Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others

1 Corinthians 13:4-13*
Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. ...

Satisfied?
 
Leumas said:
Let me give you a parable so that you might see but not perceive.... just like Jesus :D
Four people walking down road.... they come across a carrion...
"A": Says let's share it
"B": says are you crazy it is fetid and rife with filth I want nothing to do with it
"C": says ok and takes 1/3rd and starts cutting away the putrid parts trimming away the obviously filthy stuff and cooks it and eats it.
"A": takes his 1/3rd and proceeds to eat it raw ignoring the filth and muck.
"D": takes his 1/3rd and picks the filth and gunk and starts eating that and then grabs a passerby and SELLS him the relatively cleaner 1/3rd of the carrion​
Can you collate the persons in order of who is least disgusting to most disgusting???
Do you affirm that there was filth and muck in the carrion but prefer to remind us that there was good meat still there???​
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Let's suppose there's a severe famine going on at the time. Then:

B dies first, of starvation, having been too much of a precious privileged snowflake to eat any sub-optimal food.

D dies second, from malnutrition (due to giving away the better part of his share) and illness from the bad food combined.

A dies third, of illness from the bad and insufficiently prepared food.

(You can swap A and D if you'd like.)

C lives the longest and, due to the good fortune of finding carrion on the road combined with using it wisely, survives the famine.

E, the person who bought the cleaner portion of the carrion from D, assuming he also cooks it properly, also survives. He suffers from post-traumatic guilt, though, for having taken advantage of D's fatal folly, even though D would have just sold it to someone else if E had refused.


A, B, C, D, E, and I remain equally indifferent to what you find disgusting.
 
xjx388 said:
So that's it, that's the point of all this? Get everyone to agree with you and you will reward them with memes?

Wow. I always thought the point of a discussion forum was to debate issues, not be preached to about an issue.
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Your statement is a risible pathetic perfidious slander.... but thanks for that I still appreciate it when you or any one else does it... it only serves to demonstrate the extent of visceral emotions my OP has generated... do carry on!!!
 
Myriad said:
Let's suppose there's a severe famine going on at the time. Then:

B dies first, of starvation, having been too much of a precious privileged snowflake to eat any sub-optimal food.

D dies second, from malnutrition (due to giving away the better part of his share) and illness from the bad food combined.

A dies third, of illness from the bad and insufficiently prepared food.

(You can swap A and D if you'd like.)

C lives the longest and, due to the good fortune of finding carrion on the road combined with using it wisely, survives the famine.

E, the person who bought the cleaner portion of the carrion from D, assuming he also cooks it properly, also survives. He suffers from post-traumatic guilt, though, for having taken advantage of D's fatal folly, even though D would have just sold it to someone else if E had refused.


A, B, C, D, E, and I remain equally indifferent to what you find disgusting.
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:bigclap

Well done that was quite a lot of out of the box thinking... :thumbsup:
 
Myriad said:
Let's suppose there's a severe famine going on at the time. Then:
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nope that is not the case ... in fact at the time there were hundreds of live vibrant herds of various species of animals that anyone could hunt.


Myriad said:
B dies first, of starvation, having been too much of a precious privileged snowflake to eat any sub-optimal food.
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Nope... he was a descendant of Esau and knew how to hunt well.


Myriad said:
D dies second, from malnutrition (due to giving away the better part of his share) and illness from the bad food combined.
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Nope... he made lots of money and hired lots of the B people to kill most of the A and C and enslaved the E people and took their women and tents and lived happily ever after... as the king.


Myriad said:
A dies third, of illness from the bad and insufficiently prepared food.
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if he was lucky not to be enslaved by the B people hired by the D person pillaging him and his people.


Myriad said:
(You can swap A and D if you'd like.)
C lives the longest and, due to the good fortune of finding carrion on the road combined with using it wisely, survives the famine.
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Until he was enslaved by the B people working for the D person.


Myriad said:
E, the person who bought the cleaner portion of the carrion from D, assuming he also cooks it properly, also survives. He suffers from post-traumatic guilt, though, for having taken advantage of D's fatal folly, even though D would have just sold it to someone else if E had refused.
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Nope he had no time to do that due to the rapine and pillaging done by B people under the leadership of the D person ... he died after he was beaten up by his slave owner.


Myriad said:
A, B, C, D, E, and I remain equally indifferent to what you find disgusting.
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Yup... desperate people can justify any sordidness when they are desperate.
 
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acbytesla said:
What? Do you think I'm interested in having Bible Study with you?

34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

You could argue the Beattitudes are another as it is an assurance that all will be made well. It gives us comfort.

Ephesians 4:32
Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you

Ephesians
Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice.

John 15:12
“This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you

Matthew 7:12
“So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets

1 John 4:20-21
If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen. And this commandment we have from him: whoever loves God must also love his brother

Romans 12:10
Love one another with brotherly affection. Outdo one another in showing honor

Proverbs 24:17 Do not rejoice when your enemy falls, and let not your heart be glad when he stumbles

Romans 15:1-2*
We who are strong have an obligation to bear with the failings of the weak, and not to please ourselves. Let each of us please his neighbor for his good, to build him up.


Philippians 2:4*
Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others

1 Corinthians 13:4-13*
Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. ...

Satisfied?
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:bigclap
 
Leumas said:
Nope... he was a descendant of Esau and new how to hunt well.
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But he was so outraged and disgusted over having to eat food and kill animals to obtain food that he refused to do it. Instead he insisted on absorbing energy directly from sunlight instead, until he got sunburn and skin cancer, then died of constipation because he also refused to poop, that being beneath his dignity.

Nope... he made lots of money and hired lots of the B people to kill most of the A and C and enslaved the E people and took their women and tents and lived happily ever after... as the king.
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That's what would have happened but no one paid him anything because food was so plentiful anyhow, so he didn't make any money. Then he listened to B and learned to resent and despise his own nature and that of the world he lived in, so he dwelt in the basement of his parents' tent, hearing pathetic perfidious slander in every breath of the desert winds, and responding in kind with a stylus in the sand, because the Internet wasn't invented yet.
 
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