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chemtrails

I've only ever encountered one person face to face who believed chemtrails. When I mentioned I am a pilot he very quickly shut his mouth and sulked in a corner.
 
jaydeehess said:
Therein lies the problem of course. many of these contrails are also from highflying passenger jets and sending a balloon up 30000 ft in the hopes it will intercept a contrail is a bit overly optimistic and most people do not have the means by which to fly up to them to get samples' not to mention that the faa or eqiv in other countries would not be too happy about unauthorised aircraft entering flight corridors.
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There are commercially available atmospheric research aircraft that could be hired if they seriously wanted to do a study of contrails.
 
jaydeehess said:
Therein lies the problem of course. many of these contrails are also from highflying passenger jets and sending a balloon up 30000 ft in the hopes it will intercept a contrail is a bit overly optimistic and most people do not have the means by which to fly up to them to get samples' not to mention that the faa or eqiv in other countries would not be too happy about unauthorised aircraft entering flight corridors.
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Chungy said:
Really?
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Woah. You made Chungy de-register.
 
jaydeehess said:
Therein lies the problem of course. many of these contrails are also from highflying passenger jets and sending a balloon up 30000 ft in the hopes it will intercept a contrail is a bit overly optimistic and most people do not have the means by which to fly up to them to get samples' not to mention that the faa or eqiv in other countries would not be too happy about unauthorised aircraft entering flight corridors.
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It's not like it's that hard to get an IFR clearance. I know one of the Learjets has a service ceiling of 52000 feet. Finding something other than a light jet that would have a service ceiling as high the jetliners might be a problem.
A motor glider might get you up there. They fairly routinely fly to 30K without the engine on in mountain wave. It would probably need to have auxiliary fuel tanks, though.
I sincerely doubt an IFR rated pilot would have any trouble at all accessing Class A airspace, especially if you explained to the controllers the flight was for atmospheric sampling.
And after all, the sampling would need to be done on the downwind side of where the air traffic is, anyway.
 
TjW said:
It's not like it's that hard to get an IFR clearance. I know one of the Learjets has a service ceiling of 52000 feet. Finding something other than a light jet that would have a service ceiling as high the jetliners might be a problem.
A motor glider might get you up there. They fairly routinely fly to 30K without the engine on in mountain wave. It would probably need to have auxiliary fuel tanks, though.
I sincerely doubt an IFR rated pilot would have any trouble at all accessing Class A airspace, especially if you explained to the controllers the flight was for atmospheric sampling.
And after all, the sampling would need to be done on the downwind side of where the air traffic is, anyway.
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Flying IFR, it is remarkably easy to fly just about anywhere you want, as long as you make a reasonable request. By "reasonable" I mean give the controller some time to coordinate the request.
 
I rode with another Submarine Veteran yesterday to participate in a parade in Columbia, MO. On the two-hour drive down, he started rambling about how chemtrails had caused his wife's COPD. I couldn't do anything except just sit there in stunned silence. I mean, what can you say to something like that, that isn't going to get you left on the side of the interstate?
 
An acquaintance of mine recently posted a photo of the inside of the chemtrails plane. It had tanks to hold stuff and fumps and pipes to move it outside the plane, and was clearly mounted inside an airplane. It must have seemed like some pretty concrete evidence of chemtrails.

It was a MAFFS unit.
 
Just imagine how nervous those people will get if you tell them that an awful lot of that fire retardant is manufactured by the evil corporation Monsanto.
 
Jhau said:
Ah, conspiracy theorists have beaten you to it - when I made that point to my friend who is an ardent believer in such theories, he immediately said that "the powers that be" have an antidote which they issue to those in the know so as to protect them, whilst the sheeple end up being poisoned...
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Ah, that explains the "ANTIDOTE" section in the local Safeway. :p
 
TjW said:
It's not like it's that hard to get an IFR clearance. I know one of the Learjets has a service ceiling of 52000 feet. Finding something other than a light jet that would have a service ceiling as high the jetliners might be a problem.
A motor glider might get you up there. They fairly routinely fly to 30K without the engine on in mountain wave. It would probably need to have auxiliary fuel tanks, though.
I sincerely doubt an IFR rated pilot would have any trouble at all accessing Class A airspace, especially if you explained to the controllers the flight was for atmospheric sampling.
And after all, the sampling would need to be done on the downwind side of where the air traffic is, anyway.
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The point was that one would have to have the means, for eg, the Lear jet you mention. I picture most chem trail loons as having jobs involving asking patrons if they would like to include fries with their order
 
LSSBB said:
Yeah, I was wondering what they do for people that join the conspiracy later. Also, if they have an antidote to whatever these chems are, what's to stop anyone else from developing it? I smell a scam brewing that will dwarf the tinfoil hat industry.
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Indeed this conspiracy meme has been going on so long that 20- 30 year olds would have been poisoned many times before being recruited.
 
jaydeehess said:
Indeed this conspiracy meme has been going on so long that 20- 30 year olds would have been poisoned many times before being recruited.
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If the Chemtrail conspiracy theory wasn't conspiracy theory junk, wouldn't most people have a built-up resistance to whatever it supposed to be by now?
 
The "poison" aspect of chemtrails is a red herring - it's a fringe belief within the chemtrail community. Most chemtrail believers think that their purpose is to control the weather for some kind of geoengineering and/or political purpose. The poison aspect of the theory is essentially just that it's uncontrolled pollution as a side effect of the spraying, and not that they are deliberately spraying poisons to poison people.

So bringing up the "surely they would be poisoning themselves" argument is a waste of time - as the only people who think it's really poison are the extreme elements who are not open to reason.

Better to focus on the facts the contrails have always persisted and spread when the weather is right, and that all the tests that the chemtrailers tout simply show normal levels of things like aluminum.
 
I could see the environmental community somehow seeing artificial cloud cover as a means of "cooling the planet", but such a scheme would be highly publicized as it went through UN studies and hearings, and it would likely be introduced with great fanfare as it was implemented.

If it were poison, why does the population keep growing? ...rapidly?

Fact is, the number of jets up there is growing...lots of smaller jets (ERJ/A320/737) flying more frequently to satisfy the travellers demand for convenience. Occasionally see the big ones blowing beautiful trails (747s, Fedex DC-10s...saw an A380 once...LAX-Europe...awesome!), but in CO in the summer, usually clear.

The chemtrail folks really need to load some flight tracking software, it's fun to correlate trails with specific flights. (then they can write a "strongly worded letter" to the appropriate airlines!!!)
 
Oh, they did the whole flight tracker thing over ten yesrs aho. Then when it didn't prove their csse, they promptly fotgot sbout it.
 
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