Alferd_Packer
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Chemtrails again
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Yep, but they are regulated now, and instead of lead and other serious crap we only get a mild dose of carcinogens from cars and trucks.
steve s
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He had an interesting time in the war. He joined the Army Air Corps before the war and was stationed as an airplane mechanic at Hickam Field, Honolulu. He was there the day the Japanese attacked. Once the war got going he decided he wanted to be where the action was so he enrolled in flight school and became a pilot. He was sent to the base at Foggia, Italy. On his fifth mission he was shot down over northern Italy and was held at Stalag Luft 3 for the rest of the war. That's the same camp where the great escape took place, but he was there after the escape.
Let me guess. The P-51 is #1.
Steve S.
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Mmmm. Tasty! And it's still warm, too!
I Am He
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Swing Dangler
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And now for my flippin'ly dumb, yet serious question:
If the purpose of chemtrails is to spray humans, as so many sites claim, why do we see so many over the ocean?
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I mean, this doesn't matter if the "hypothesis"is that chemtrails exist for weather control (be happy that none of you can hear the *SNORT* as I type that), but to me, this does demonstrate how ridiculous any of the "biological warfare" or "mind control" chemtrail woo is. Why waste so much payload over open water?
Exactly! Weather or climate control is not necessarily nefarious. The very real problem that arises is the short term and the long term effect the chemical's have on humans. Does the public have a right to know what might happen to them as a result of such chemicals?
I don't agree with the mind control/bio warfare/ population reduction excuse but the health effects should be a concern.
LTC8K6
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I'm not a doctor, but the health effects of tiny ice crystals at high altitudes should be minimal.
ElMondoHummus
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Swing, waitaminute, I'm not convinced that "chemtrails" are really that: Chemical trails deliberately "sprayed" from jets on the human population.
Now on the other hand, if you are talking about jet exhaust contrails (as opposed to the wing vortex generated contrails, which are nothing more than water condensation), and if you agree that we're talking about pollution from that exhaust, then for once I can agree with you that there's a problem. As with any combustion of petroleum product, the health effects are generally well known (such as in this study or this one; sorry that second link isn't a direct one to an article, the point in citing it is that this sort of thing has been and is being studied), but you're right, they're still a concern. In general, any combustion-for-propulsion related pollution is.
But that's assuming you're discussing jet exhaust contrails and not "chemtrails". If the former, you're on firm ground. If the latter, not so much.
Swing Dangler
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Chemicals sprayed from jets that happen to land on the human population. I don't think it is deliberately done to the population. IMHO it is for weather control or to combat global warming.
Why do you think there would not be chemical spraying operations to combat global warming or in attempt to control or modify the weather as per the U.S. Airforce Force Multiplier paper?
I'm curious as to why the opposition to such operations?
It reminds me of the black triangle UFO people reported in the early 80's only to learn it was the F117 Stealth Fighter in development.
Dave Rogers
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Just a quick sanity check, EMH: should we infer that you're undecided on chemtrails? Or did you mis-type the words "Swing, chemtrails are a totally insane idea"?
Dave
This is NOT a conspiracy.
This was NOT a conspiracy. I knew about it and what it was. Why didn't you? Could it possibly be that you are not important enough to know minor details, ermmmm, like another event that you're obsessed with?
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LTC8K6
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What sort of lift capacity is needed to carry enough of these chemicals to produce fake contrails?
It would take an enormous amount of white powder to duplicate the look of a typical persistent contrail.
It would take an enormous amount of white powder to duplicate the look of a typical persistent contrail.
LTC8K6
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Anyone who thinks chemicals are being sprayed should just get an air sample from their next airliner trip. The cabin air is at least partially from directly outside the aircraft, so just bring a jar or a ziploc bag and sample the cabin air and have it tested. You will have a generous portion of high altitude air in your sample and it will contain any chemicals that are being sprayed.
If you believe the cabin air filters are preventing you from capturing the chemicals or particles, just ask for a used cabin air filter, cut it open, and have it tested.
If you believe the cabin air filters are preventing you from capturing the chemicals or particles, just ask for a used cabin air filter, cut it open, and have it tested.
Dave Rogers
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I did a quick estimate back at post #196.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=3422967#post3422967
A horizon-to-horizon contrail contains something of the order 100 metric tons of water, give or take a few sweeping assumptions. Tippit's supposed chemtrails are larger than normal contrails, though, so you'd have to increase that quite a bit. A C-5 could just about do it with a bit of spare cargo capacity, but a C-17 would be struggling.
Dave
There is an acute shortage of airlift capacity in the military creating an enormous requirement for civilian airlift supplement to the middle east just as their was during GW I. Just where would these C-5s come from and where are they stored, when they're not spraying their gaseous chemicals which would be ineffective from high altitude anyway.
*This is not a question for you, Dave, it's for a troofer who might offer a follow-up suggestion.
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Dave Rogers
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LTC8K6
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I didn't see that, but others have done it before over the years. The response was that the chemicals are in the fuel, which is even less likely, and the chemicals still have weight anyway.
Swing Dangler
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You seriously made this comment? Suuuuuurrreeee you did, Reheat. Sure you did.
Ok so it isn't a conspiracy.
You agree then their are ongoing chemical dispersion operations taking place to either control the weather or combat global warming?
You know, if your opinions were worthy of anything more than a puff of flatulence in a hurricane it would insult me that you've insinuated I'm a liar.
You're assuming that I'll agree with your continued delusions. Not a chance has it ever been anything on the scale that's in your troofer mind.
Would you mind explaining how in the H3!! one or two military airplanes (which is all there are) could do anything about global warming?
For rational minds that might view this thread, there are no more than a couple of aircraft (C-130 type) that can conduct weather modification experiments in concert with their normal weather observation missions in weather systems. Those aircraft are the source of some of the detailed information on hurricanes that are broadcast by the National Weather Service. Most of those operations are conducted over the ocean.
The seeding of clouds to make it rain or to produce more rainfall than normal in specific areas has been ongoing since at least the 1960's, perhaps even earlier. It is nothing new or unusual.
Those operations are in no way associated with what kooks call chemtrails. There is no such thing as chemtrails. They are simply contrails, period.
Here's a link for folks who want to learn about cloud seeding....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding
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LTC8K6
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If I thought I was possibly being poisoned by something being released at high altitudes from airliners I would certainly take these easy elementary steps. What's so hard about getting the air sample?
P.S., the ICP has supposedly already done the cabin air filter thing. They didn't talk about their results, afaik.
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