Chávez - Load up the rubber bullets.

[DC]

Americans on this forum were outraged at the abuses and called for Bush's impeachment.

this is true indeed. The people in the US, and i would think it was the majority, disliked it alot. But officialy that oppinion did not get reflected.

I am totaly convinced, would the US have something like Venezuelas recall referendum, Bsuh would not have finished the term.

I gues even in war, the people in the US would not tollerate something like that.

But they dont have a say in those things

 

[DC]

I also disagree.

When China would overthrow your representant, would you not feel threated?

 

[RandFan]

did i say i support theyr terrorism?

If it looks like a duck...

do you support the installment of an US friendly government in Venezuela, no mather wath the Venezuelans want?

I don't see the world in a grade school black and white fashion where there are only binary choices. I don't hate Venezuelans and hope the best for them.

for me, the CIA is the biggest terrornetwork in the world.

Yes, that is what the propaganda espouses.

Listen to inteviews of old CIA agents, wen they tell how they fought the commis and how they spread terrorism in foreign countrys.

Again, I don't see the world in stark contrasts. Given the severe consequences of communism there was a valid fear. Pol Pot murdered 1,000,000 in the killing fields. Mao's policies led to tens of millions dying of starvation and loss of freedoms and all kinds of hell. Stalin starved tens of millions to death and butchered millions more. All told 100,000,000 people died in a very short span of time due to communism yet you think the CIA was the greatest threat to civilization.

 

[RandFan]

But they dont have a say in those things

A.) Our president is term limited. B.) Bush couldn't have been re-elected.

We actually do have a say.

 

[WildCat]

did i say i support theyr terrorism?
or
do you support the installment of an US friendly government in Venezuela, no mather wath the Venezuelans want?

for me, the CIA is the biggest terrornetwork in the world. Listen to inteviews of old CIA agents, wen they tell how they fought the commis and how they spread terrorism in foreign countrys.

when you look at Bolivia and Venezuela, you can see the same thing is still going on.

If you're so against that sort of thing, why do you support Chavez? He was caught red-handed funneling hundreds of millions of dollars to FARC to overthrow the democratically elected government of Colombia. Quite violently, I might add.

But you will find a way to excuse that I suppose...

 

[DC]

If it looks like a duck...

I don't see the world in a grade school black and white fashion where there are only binary choices. I don't hate Venezuelans and hope the best for them.

This didnt answer the question.
do you think an US friendly government installed with help of the CIA would be the best for Venezuelans?

Yes, that is what the propaganda espouses.

Not propaganda, CIA documentation, the History of the CIA.

Again, I don't see the world in stark contrasts. Given the severe consequences of communism there was a valid fear. Pol Pot murdered 1,000,000 in the killing fields. Mao's policies led to tens of millions dying of starvation and loss of freedoms and all kinds of hell. Stalin starved tens of millions to death and butchered millions more. All told 100,000,000 people died in a very short span of time due to communism yet you think the CIA was the greatest threat to civilization.

i thought you dont see the world black and white?????

The Bolivarian Revolution is not aiming for Communism. the Communsit still support it, but they want Communism, not Bolivarism.

they dont want Capitalism, especially not free market policies that killed so many poor people on this planet.

they are looking for an alternative.

Bolivarism is theyr solution, lets have them a try.
it has nothing to do with Stalin and Mao and co.

 

[DC]

A.) Our president is term limited. B.) Bush couldn't have been re-elected.

We actually do have a say.

you are not able to remove him, your representant are enable to impeach him.
But you dont have a direct say into it.

In switzerland we have no term limits, is our democracy in danger?
the swiss people are those that have most power on theyr Government.
one of the reason most Swiss didnt want to join the EU.
we dont give up our power.

ETA: Normally i would not say we are the most powerfull, but on sunday, on CNN international, they talked about the US democratic system. and an "expert" claimed the US people are the people that have to say most in theyr government.
he also added, "i have heard some make that point about Switzerland".
so i think as we are a Direct Democracy, i will claim that we are those with most power on its own government

 

[DC]

If you're so against that sort of thing, why do you support Chavez? He was caught red-handed funneling hundreds of millions of dollars to FARC to overthrow the democratically elected government of Colombia. Quite violently, I might add.

But you will find a way to excuse that I suppose...

oh i sevreal time posted already, that i think this is wrong to support the FARC.

but what is your evidence in this matter?

 

[DC]

About 1000000000 deaths of Communism

i can only reccomend watching some of the Docus from the Bolivarian movement.

you can see that they want to prevent to go into an authirtarian communist state.

alot Chavista say that must be prevented, even Chavez himself pointed exactly that out.
And even if the Majority of venezuelans want to go to communism, they have a right to.

 

[funk de fino]

When China would overthrow your representant, would you not feel threated?

Does not make a lick of sense.

The US overthrew no-one in Venezuela. Not to say they do not want it and encourage it but thats a different matter. Chavez does enough US bashing that it is hypocritical to then lambast the US for doing the same.

 

[DC]

Does not make a lick of sense.

The US overthrew no-one in Venezuela. Not to say they do not want it and encourage it but thats a different matter. Chavez does enough US bashing that it is hypocritical to then lambast the US for doing the same.

so when the Chinese Government would support the Scotish Communist party with money and intel, to overthrow your elected government. you would not feel in danger?

 

[Plagiarius]

To be honest I don't think the avatars are really helping in this argument. The inflamation they quite clearly draw out may be obscuring the minds of the participants of this thread.

 

[funk de fino]

so when the Chinese Government would support the Scotish Communist party with money and intel, to overthrow your elected government. you would not feel in danger?

No. The venezuelan people are in no danger from the US. Your claim is wrong.

Chavez himself tried to overthrow an elected govt. He is a convicted criminal who cost peoples lives.

ETA - We have many political parties in the UK and scotland whos job it is to try and get the electorate to get rid of the govt. Thats life.

 

[DC]

No. The venezuelan people are in no danger from the US. Your claim is wrong.

Chavez himself tried to overthrow an elected govt. He is a convicted criminal who cost peoples lives.

ETA - We have many political parties in the UK and scotland whos job it is to try and get the electorate to get rid of the govt. Thats life.

erm you maybe should read about the history in South America, whish US dictators did kill how many.

the US needs just to install another Pinochet in Venezuela.
Sure the people in venezuela are in danger from the USA.
when the USA picks a dictator for Venezuela, it will not be one that will serve the interest of the Venezuelan people, he will server the US.

when you dont see a danger in that, i dont know...

Venezuelans freedom is in danger from the USA.

 

[DC]

just look how many people got killed when US dictator Carmona took office.

 

[funk de fino]

erm you maybe should read about the history in South America, whish US dictators did kill how many.

the US needs just to install another Pinochet in Venezuela.
Sure the people in venezuela are in danger from the USA.
when the USA picks a dictator for Venezuela, it will not be one that will serve the interest of the Venezuelan people, he will server the US.

when you dont see a danger in that, i dont know...

Venezuelans freedom is in danger from the USA.

No, its not. History, History, History. Look at the old days of the British empire. Does that mean this will happen again in India?

The US are no danger to the people of Venezuela.

Did the US pick the govt in Iraq?

 

[funk de fino]

just look how many people got killed when US dictator Carmona took office.

How many?

Military installed Carmona as interim president. Not the US military.

 

[DC]

How many?

Military installed Carmona as interim president. Not the US military.

well i know it, links can be found in old post of mine that shows it.

but i ask you, how many, i lack so much knowledge about Venezuela and Chavez.

pls tell me, enlighten me.

true , traitors of the Venezuelan Army installed Carmona....
untill the army found out what really happened and the people surounded Miraflores

 

[funk de fino]

well i know it, links can be found in old post of mine that shows it.

Show me exactly how many people Cormona caused the deaths of.

but i ask you, how many, i lack so much knowledge about Venezuela and Chavez.

Your claim mate.

pls tell me, enlighten me.

I've been trying, you are resisting

true , traitors of the Venezuelan Army installed Carmona....
untill the army found out what really happened and the people surounded Miraflores

Not a US dictator like you claimed then so what was the point? he denies charges that he caused the coup and says he was asked by the venezuela military to be interim president. Far cry from what he has been accused of by you. Seems like the venezuela people have more to fear from their own traitorous army then the USG. You get no argument from me about the army being traitors if they attempt a coup. What was it Chavez was jalied for again?

 

[DC]

Show me exactly how many people Cormona caused the deaths of.



Your claim mate.



I've been trying, you are resisting



Not a US dictator like you claimed then so what was the point? he denies charges that he caused the coup and says he was asked by the venezuela military to be interim president. Far cry from what he has been accused of by you. Seems like the venezuela people have more to fear from their own traitorous army then the USG. You get no argument from me about the army being traitors if they attempt a coup. What was it Chavez was jalied for again?

you dont know how many got killed under the Carmona regime?
shouldnt you know when you come and debate about the coup?

The US goverment knew about it, they was the first to accept him.
i call him US Dictator.
Chavez was not doing a coup for foreign governments and companys, he did it to help its people.

and Most soldiers did the right thing during the coup, expect for the plotters.
the Venezuelan Army served its people. also when they turned against Chavez. Because based on wath they knew, they did the right thing.
But Chavez has a diffrent oppinion about it.